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Post by Chicago on Dec 11, 2008 17:48:43 GMT -5
As far as I'm concerned, Austin was a really good worker as Stone Cold Steve Austin, but that's my opinion as well and you can't change it either.
He alternated between brawling and technical/mat work during his matches as Stone Cold in the late 90s/early 2000s, which isn't far from his days with WCW in the early 90s. Since you obviously understand Austin's career, how would you go about explaining his work in 1996 against the likes of Marc Mero or Savio Vega when he was STONE COLD Steve Austin? He put on fantastic matches with both, as well as others on the roster at the time, but I guess that doesn't count since he was early Stone Cold.
Also, how would you classify someone as being a good or great worker? Does everyone have to be like Kurt Angle or Chris Benoit to be considered good? What if I think The Rock wasn't a particularly good worker but he was all showmanship and charisma? I just don't understand how you have come to your opinion on Austin, so please, enlighten me.
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Post by man on Dec 11, 2008 18:10:08 GMT -5
The funny thing is that people that say that Austin and Rock are not overated are the same ones that constantly have put down Hogan. It's clearly a generational thing. Now that Austin and Rock are a memory, the fans that grew up with that era defend them to no end.
I hope that ALL OF YOU that took offense to this thread will start thinking outside the box. Hogan and Warrior were just as big and just as "electrifying" as Austin and Rock. But most of you weren't watching wrestling at the time. Most of you started with Austin and Rock. Therefore TO YOU they are god-status.
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Post by AdamBomb on Dec 11, 2008 18:25:22 GMT -5
The funny thing is that people that say that Austin and Rock are not overated are the same ones that constantly have put down Hogan. It's clearly a generational thing. Now that Austin and Rock are a memory, the fans that grew up with that era defend them to no end. I hope that ALL OF YOU that took offense to this thread will start thinking outside the box. Hogan and Warrior were just as big and just as "electrifying" as Austin and Rock. But most of you weren't watching wrestling at the time. Most of you started with Austin and Rock. Therefore TO YOU they are god-status. I grew up as a child watching Hogan and Warrior and LOVED them. The difference is, I can watch a Hogan and Warrior match now as an adult, and realize how crap it was, on the flipside I can watch Rock and Austin and actually STILL be entertained. Obviously you created a 'discussion' that will STILL not get anyone anywhere. You're a ing brickwall that won't budge, no one is going to change your opinion, and you won't change anyone else's. For the record, this thread is ridiculous and useless. Steve Austin, in his career was one of the MOST talented in ring competitors to ever lace up a pair of boots, and he was one of (if not THE best) guys on the mic period. It doesn't matter what 'period' of his career you're judging him on, what should matter is his career as a whole.
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Post by layton on Dec 11, 2008 21:36:23 GMT -5
As far as I'm concerned, Austin was a really good worker as Stone Cold Steve Austin, but that's my opinion as well and you can't change it either. He alternated between brawling and technical/mat work during his matches as Stone Cold in the late 90s/early 2000s, which isn't far from his days with WCW in the early 90s. Since you obviously understand Austin's career, how would you go about explaining his work in 1996 against the likes of Marc Mero or Savio Vega when he was STONE COLD Steve Austin? He put on fantastic matches with both, as well as others on the roster at the time, but I guess that doesn't count since he was early Stone Cold. Also, how would you classify someone as being a good or great worker? Does everyone have to be like Kurt Angle or Chris Benoit to be considered good? What if I think The Rock wasn't a particularly good worker but he was all showmanship and charisma? I just don't understand how you have come to your opinion on Austin, so please, enlighten me. I respect your opinion. I am not at all trying to change it. I was defending my own opinion. I do not care if you think he was a good worker. You are completely entitled to your opinion. Are you referring to Austin's match at WM 12 against Savio Vega? If so, he was still the ringmaster. Also, when he wrestled Mero in the KOTR, he was still not Stone Cold (personally, I did not find those matches good at all, anyway, but that is my opinion, and if you did, I am not going to say you are wrong). I am not trying to tell you that immediately when Austin became Stone Cold, he never had an on night, and he never was entertaining. I also never said that he was not a good worker. If I did, I was mistaken in my words. He is not a good WRESTLER. He could work a match okay, because his fans loved what he did. I just do not think if you took his out of the ring personality away, he would have been half as appealing. I think people would have lost interest. If you were to insult the Rock like that, it would not offend me at all. He is highly overrated as well. Again, he was wonderful on the mic. He got the fans into the matches, but aside from that, his matches were not that great. Take away his interaction with the fans, and he was pretty mediocre...he was all showmanship. I think Austin is severely overrated. You are certainly allowed to think otherwise. That does not bother me at all. My biggest point was not wanting you to pretend like you were the only one that knew Austin before he was Stone Cold. I do not think you have to be like Angle or Beniot to be a good worker. Edge is a good worker. HBK is a good worker. AJ Styles is a good worker. Christopher Daniels is a good worker. Austin was a great performer. the Rock was a great performer. Personally, I do not find either of them to be good wrestlers. I am not trying to change your opinion on the topic.
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Post by abyss on Dec 11, 2008 21:43:55 GMT -5
You bring up a point to some extent, but I still disagree. While Austin was in the "right place at the right time", he took the ball and ran with it. I wouldn't say at all that it required no effort or creativity as they did some extremely creative things with him. And I'm sure they required a lot of effort.
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Post by Chicago on Dec 11, 2008 22:06:34 GMT -5
As far as I'm concerned, Austin was a really good worker as Stone Cold Steve Austin, but that's my opinion as well and you can't change it either. He alternated between brawling and technical/mat work during his matches as Stone Cold in the late 90s/early 2000s, which isn't far from his days with WCW in the early 90s. Since you obviously understand Austin's career, how would you go about explaining his work in 1996 against the likes of Marc Mero or Savio Vega when he was STONE COLD Steve Austin? He put on fantastic matches with both, as well as others on the roster at the time, but I guess that doesn't count since he was early Stone Cold. Also, how would you classify someone as being a good or great worker? Does everyone have to be like Kurt Angle or Chris Benoit to be considered good? What if I think The Rock wasn't a particularly good worker but he was all showmanship and charisma? I just don't understand how you have come to your opinion on Austin, so please, enlighten me. I respect your opinion. I am not at all trying to change it. I was defending my own opinion. I do not care if you think he was a good worker. You are completely entitled to your opinion. Are you referring to Austin's match at WM 12 against Savio Vega? If so, he was still the ringmaster. Also, when he wrestled Mero in the KOTR, he was still not Stone Cold (personally, I did not find those matches good at all, anyway, but that is my opinion, and if you did, I am not going to say you are wrong). I am not trying to tell you that immediately when Austin became Stone Cold, he never had an on night, and he never was entertaining. I also never said that he was not a good worker. If I did, I was mistaken in my words. He is not a good WRESTLER. He could work a match okay, because his fans loved what he did. I just do not think if you took his out of the ring personality away, he would have been half as appealing. I think people would have lost interest. If you were to insult the Rock like that, it would not offend me at all. He is highly overrated as well. Again, he was wonderful on the mic. He got the fans into the matches, but aside from that, his matches were not that great. Take away his interaction with the fans, and he was pretty mediocre...he was all showmanship. I think Austin is severely overrated. You are certainly allowed to think otherwise. That does not bother me at all. My biggest point was not wanting you to pretend like you were the only one that knew Austin before he was Stone Cold. I do not think you have to be like Angle or Beniot to be a good worker. Edge is a good worker. HBK is a good worker. AJ Styles is a good worker. Christopher Daniels is a good worker. Austin was a great performer. the Rock was a great performer. Personally, I do not find either of them to be good wrestlers. I am not trying to change your opinion on the topic. Fair enough. Regarding the way I came across in my first post, I was only trying to make sure that others were aware (if they didn't know already) that judging Austin's career shouldn't start from when he joined WWF or after he developed the Stone Cold character. The matches I was referring to involving Mero was KOTR, which I'm almost certain included Austin using the "Stone Cold said so..." line, which means...he was Stone Cold Steve Austin. I think they both worked a great match together there for the KOTR tournament. As for Savio, I was going for their Caribbean Strap match a little while before, so that might be too early for 'Stone Cold', but I still think they put on a hell of a match (with a lot of psychology involved, mind you). But, I understand now a little of where you're coming from, but I will ultimately agree to disagree with you on this topic.
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Post by layton on Dec 11, 2008 22:14:04 GMT -5
I respect your opinion. I am not at all trying to change it. I was defending my own opinion. I do not care if you think he was a good worker. You are completely entitled to your opinion. Are you referring to Austin's match at WM 12 against Savio Vega? If so, he was still the ringmaster. Also, when he wrestled Mero in the KOTR, he was still not Stone Cold (personally, I did not find those matches good at all, anyway, but that is my opinion, and if you did, I am not going to say you are wrong). I am not trying to tell you that immediately when Austin became Stone Cold, he never had an on night, and he never was entertaining. I also never said that he was not a good worker. If I did, I was mistaken in my words. He is not a good WRESTLER. He could work a match okay, because his fans loved what he did. I just do not think if you took his out of the ring personality away, he would have been half as appealing. I think people would have lost interest. If you were to insult the Rock like that, it would not offend me at all. He is highly overrated as well. Again, he was wonderful on the mic. He got the fans into the matches, but aside from that, his matches were not that great. Take away his interaction with the fans, and he was pretty mediocre...he was all showmanship. I think Austin is severely overrated. You are certainly allowed to think otherwise. That does not bother me at all. My biggest point was not wanting you to pretend like you were the only one that knew Austin before he was Stone Cold. I do not think you have to be like Angle or Beniot to be a good worker. Edge is a good worker. HBK is a good worker. AJ Styles is a good worker. Christopher Daniels is a good worker. Austin was a great performer. the Rock was a great performer. Personally, I do not find either of them to be good wrestlers. I am not trying to change your opinion on the topic. Fair enough. Regarding the way I came across in my first post, I was only trying to make sure that others were aware (if they didn't know already) that judging Austin's career shouldn't start from when he joined WWF or after he developed the Stone Cold character. The matches I was referring to involving Mero was KOTR, which I'm almost certain included Austin using the "Stone Cold said so..." line, which means...he was Stone Cold Steve Austin. I think they both worked a great match together there for the KOTR tournament. As for Savio, I was going for their Caribbean Strap match a little while before, so that might be too early for 'Stone Cold', but I still think they put on a hell of a match (with a lot of psychology involved, mind you). But, I understand now a little of where you're coming from, but I will ultimately agree to disagree with you on this topic. I understand, now, where you were coming from in that first post. I do not at all think his career began as Stone Cold. I was a much bigger Stunning Steve Fan in WCW than I ever was a Stone Cold fan. I was simply responding to the thread of if Stone Cold was overrated, not Steve Williams in general. And I do think Stone Cold was overrated. In contrast, I think Stunning Steve Austin was a little underrated. I do not dislike the man. Only the amount of praise he got when I think there are better out there than he. I can see the two matches you were talking about as being enjoyable. Personally, I do not like them much, but that is my opinion. I like that someone (you) did like them. I completely understand where you are coming from, and I am okay with that fact that we will just have to respectfully disagree. I apologize for getting defensive, haha...upon reflection I take back my smart ass comment. That was not your intention and I see that now.
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Post by missedgehead on Dec 11, 2008 22:49:20 GMT -5
This thread has been very entertaining. LOL Austin is not overrated. He was one of the best in ring wrestlers, and performers ever. Period.
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Post by robl7up on Dec 13, 2008 10:00:00 GMT -5
Do I think STONE COLD can whip the NWO'S ass....HELL YEAH!!!
Do I think STONE COLD was over rated...... WELL HELL NO!!!!
BREAK GLASS!!
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