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Post by albireo on Jun 30, 2007 15:20:23 GMT -5
Reading through nintendo magazines,there seems to be a recuring pattern.In the section where they allow reader to print their thoughts on virtual console games,atleast 1 person always mentions how hard gunstar heros on the mega drive is.This was quite a shock to me as my brother and I have completed it many times with minimal fuss,although that was the origional,not the virtual console version which may have been altered.
Does anyone here think that games are getting too easy and older games are better in terms of difficulty,especially seeing as most of them didnt have a save function so you were required to complete it in one sitting.
thoughts?
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Post by goalie on Jun 30, 2007 21:14:01 GMT -5
I hate games without somewhat regular save features, you can make a difficult game with out making it so that you have to be half the game with out making a single mistake. Sure I'm all for challenging games but some games lack of saves is just ridiculous and annoying.
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Post by jmars on Jul 1, 2007 14:34:11 GMT -5
Games these days are VERY easy. I mean, even Ubisoft tried bringing Prince of Persia back from the grave, and even that was pretty easy and forgiving. The thing about older games is, even though you have to restart often, it's most likely worth re-playing.
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Post by Mole on Jul 1, 2007 14:39:37 GMT -5
Games today are definitely easier, but to act as if these older games are better because of the brutal difficulty of most of them is insanse.
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Post by Crimson Arrow on Jul 1, 2007 14:41:53 GMT -5
No... there are hundreds of bad and ok old games but we only remember the good ones, the classic ones.
When your living in the moment you see and experience all the bad games first hand and listen to other people bitch about them.
In 15 or 20 years you won't hear about the bad games today and people will be looking back at our GTAs, Wii Sports, Metal Gear Solids, Halos etc. and talking about them the same way we talk about old games.
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Post by Too Sweet on Jul 2, 2007 3:50:17 GMT -5
The New games seem to be all graphics right now, back then people made games that were fun to keep people playing it instead of Graphics to lure people in. I have more fun playing on my Sega Saturn and Master System then my Xbox 360 and my Wii, I really dont give a sh*t about graphics its all about the gameplay.
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Post by Mole on Jul 2, 2007 11:02:50 GMT -5
See, what you don't realize, is that graphics have always been a battling point. It's just that in comparison to today's games they look like utter crap, so it makes you think that they didn't try to do good graphics.
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Post by Too Sweet on Jul 2, 2007 11:41:46 GMT -5
Heres ****loads of Examples:
- People Stuck with the NES when the more powerful Master System Came out, when the First 16-Bit Console the PC Engine/ Turbografx-16 came out, this would also be the case for when the Genesis came out too, and that the people who still played their NES upgraded to the SNES which lead to Nintendo winning the 16-Bit war.
- People Stuck with the Playstation when the Jaguar, Nintendo 64 ( Both 64 Bit ), Saturn, 3DO, Neo Geo CD/AES were out, and those had better looking games ( And some could have Made good looking games )
- People Stuck with the Playstation 2 when you had the more Powerful Xbox and Gamecube came out
- Hell, the DS outsells the PSP due to its fun games, and if Graphics were a Battling point wouldn't the PSP outsell the DS by now? Hell no, Jeez, the Wii is coming close to outselling the Xbox 360 and its been out a Year Later than the 360, and you know whats selling the consoles? The games, if Graphics mattered people would have been jumping all over the Playstation 3 by now, but no-one touches it and its been getting heaps of criticism for not having good games.
Sure, as time goes by the Games start to look better, but whats happening right now is bull ****, they rushed pushing out 3D Games, I really think 3D games should have started popping up around Late 90's and so everything would be so quickly outdated.
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Post by Mole on Jul 2, 2007 12:45:17 GMT -5
Heres ****loads of Examples: - People Stuck with the NES when the more powerful Master System Came out, when the First 16-Bit Console the PC Engine/ Turbografx-16 came out, this would also be the case for when the Genesis came out too, and that the people who still played their NES upgraded to the SNES which lead to Nintendo winning the 16-Bit war. That's called brand loyalty, and nothing more. - People Stuck with the Playstation when the Jaguar, Nintendo 64 ( Both 64 Bit ), Saturn, 3DO, Neo Geo CD/AES were out, and those had better looking games ( And some could have Made good looking games ) Once again, Brand Loyalty. Besides, the Jaguar and 3DO were a joke. Same with the Neo Geo CD. And the N64 was not capable of producing better visuals than the PS1 due to its dependency on cartridges. - People Stuck with the Playstation 2 when you had the more Powerful Xbox and Gamecube came out See above with the exception of the "were a joke" comment. - Hell, the DS outsells the PSP due to its fun games, and if Graphics were a Battling point wouldn't the PSP outsell the DS by now? Hell no, Jeez, the Wii is coming close to outselling the Xbox 360 and its been out a Year Later than the 360, and you know whats selling the consoles? The games, if Graphics mattered people would have been jumping all over the Playstation 3 by now, but no-one touches it and its been getting heaps of criticism for not having good games. Ok, well here's the proof that you didn't understand what I was saying. First off, I don't think a 3 million difference is close between 360 and Wii. And besides, it's not like $250 price tag versus the $400 price tag hurts the Wii. I never meant to imply that graphics are the only thing to sell games. My point was more of a counter to you saying that graphics don't matter. If graphics didn't matter, this is what Mario would have looked like. So to say that graphics aren't important to you, that's great. You have an opinion that many of the overly nostalgic gamers have. However, if you try and tell me that they don't matter, or that they aren't important at all, then you better not be playing anything other than the Atari. Because they do matter. Without graphics mattering, all games would look like my depiction of Mario. You may say that if the game is just white squares on a black background, and the gameplay's good that it'll be fine, but if all games were like that there wouldn't be much of a game because you'd have no idea on what even to do, or even who your enemies are.
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Post by mnbvcx on Jul 18, 2007 16:10:58 GMT -5
Heres ****loads of Examples: - People Stuck with the NES when the more powerful Master System Came out, when the First 16-Bit Console the PC Engine/ Turbografx-16 came out, this would also be the case for when the Genesis came out too, and that the people who still played their NES upgraded to the SNES which lead to Nintendo winning the 16-Bit war. That's called brand loyalty, and nothing more. Once again, Brand Loyalty. Besides, the Jaguar and 3DO were a joke. Same with the Neo Geo CD. And the N64 was not capable of producing better visuals than the PS1 due to its dependency on cartridges. See above with the exception of the "were a joke" comment. - Hell, the DS outsells the PSP due to its fun games, and if Graphics were a Battling point wouldn't the PSP outsell the DS by now? Hell no, Jeez, the Wii is coming close to outselling the Xbox 360 and its been out a Year Later than the 360, and you know whats selling the consoles? The games, if Graphics mattered people would have been jumping all over the Playstation 3 by now, but no-one touches it and its been getting heaps of criticism for not having good games. Ok, well here's the proof that you didn't understand what I was saying. First off, I don't think a 3 million difference is close between 360 and Wii. And besides, it's not like $250 price tag versus the $400 price tag hurts the Wii. I never meant to imply that graphics are the only thing to sell games. My point was more of a counter to you saying that graphics don't matter. If graphics didn't matter, this is what Mario would have looked like. So to say that graphics aren't important to you, that's great. You have an opinion that many of the overly nostalgic gamers have. However, if you try and tell me that they don't matter, or that they aren't important at all, then you better not be playing anything other than the Atari. Because they do matter. Without graphics mattering, all games would look like my depiction of Mario. You may say that if the game is just white squares on a black background, and the gameplay's good that it'll be fine, but if all games were like that there wouldn't be much of a game because you'd have no idea on what even to do, or even who your enemies are. A F'n MEN BROTHER!
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Post by The Michael on Jul 18, 2007 16:29:18 GMT -5
I can imagine (most) newer games being easier due to being able to move around in a fully 3D world.
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Post by amxfiles on Jul 18, 2007 23:48:58 GMT -5
There are still plenty of mind numbingly difficult games these days. Ninja Gaiden made me want to punch infants my first time through. But gaming is all about presentation now. And games are getting longer. On a good day, you could some of the older RPGs in a couple of sittings. About 10 hours or so...then they kept getting longer....and now we're reading blurbs on the back of boxes telling us it contains 80 hours of unique gameplay.
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Post by becca on Jul 19, 2007 0:14:18 GMT -5
Actually the Nintendo 64 was known to have better graphics than anything out on PS1. The cartridge dependency made it so not as much game could be fit on it (thus no Final Fantasy's or big RPG's) but did not effect the graphical output. Playstation was a 32 bit system compared to the N64's 64. Heres ****loads of Examples: - People Stuck with the NES when the more powerful Master System Came out, when the First 16-Bit Console the PC Engine/ Turbografx-16 came out, this would also be the case for when the Genesis came out too, and that the people who still played their NES upgraded to the SNES which lead to Nintendo winning the 16-Bit war. That's called brand loyalty, and nothing more. And how do you know why people stuck with NES and SNES? You were in diapers! How can a company have brand loyalty built when they had only one system out, and how can you say anything about brand loyalty when Genesis kicked SNES's ass for the first few years the system was out. All of these "loyal" NES owners had no problem hopping on the Sega system.
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Post by Mole on Jul 19, 2007 13:29:00 GMT -5
And how do you know why people stuck with NES and SNES? You were in diapers! How can a company have brand loyalty built when they had only one system out, and how can you say anything about brand loyalty when Genesis kicked SNES's ass for the first few years the system was out. All of these "loyal" NES owners had no problem hopping on the Sega system. Oh, and you, being 4 for the Genesis or 6 for the SNES, obviously had a great view of how the world responded to the consoles. Give me a ing break. And I miss-termed that, I shouldn't have called it brand loyalty, since obviously you can't be loyal to a company after really enjoying one product. Yeah, all of the Xbox fanboys (apparently everyone on the video game board according to certain people) aren't loyal to Microsoft or the Xbox itself, even though many of them bought the 360 and a good chunk of them bought it day one. But you're right, it'd be more accurately called brand familiarity. Also, I've seen no proof that Genesis kicking the NES's ass. The only thing I've seen is that Sega marketed to an older audience and succeeded, which doesn't necessarily mean that so many former Nintendo guys jumped on, it could mean that they essentially did what the Wii's doing. Also, I gotta say how I love every time someone tries to make an argument against something I post it's some minuscule intellectually- disabled part.
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Post by jmars on Jul 19, 2007 23:20:47 GMT -5
I see what Brian's saying, but I definately don't agree with the whole "brand loyalty" subject, people chose the SNES and NES mainly for Mario, and how good it looked in 16-bit, as to the Sega consoles, they were just pure fun. Not shooting atcha' or anything, though.
I have to agree with one thing though:
Graphics are overwhelming gameplay these days. I mean, one fine example is Rockstar's choice of "Quality over Quantity", since I read in some blog or gaming site that Liberty City had been made smaller for prettier effects. Take it with a grain of salt. though.
Like I said before, games back then were awful hard, but it was worth restarting over and over again.
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Post by Too Sweet on Jul 20, 2007 2:14:52 GMT -5
Were at that point where we don't need to have Realistic Graphics, because If it does come down to being Realistic we could see alot of Games being banned.
I really wouldn't give a crap about getting better and better Graphics, because right around now were at the point where its becoming the Same Old, Same Old, Its basically repeats of old games with new stuff shoved in.
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Post by BTG Motherpunker on Jul 23, 2007 20:15:52 GMT -5
I can imagine (most) newer games being easier due to being able to move around in a fully 3D world. That makes less than no sense.
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Post by cosmo on Jul 24, 2007 0:51:09 GMT -5
I only have to say one thing.
SEGA Genesis > All.
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Post by lickal on Aug 2, 2007 17:21:30 GMT -5
Most modern gamers have little or no attention span, so the games have to be easier, and include save features.
Also, while a lot of older games didn't have a save feature, they did have the next best thing, in passwords.
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Post by cosmo on Aug 3, 2007 1:14:05 GMT -5
- People Stuck with the Playstation 2 when you had the more Powerful Xbox and Gamecube came out lawl, the gamecube was not more powerful than any system during the 128 bit era.
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