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Post by That 80s Guy on Jul 12, 2017 12:00:00 GMT -5
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edit: For the weak guy^ who posts here regularly.
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Post by vampiroporvida on Jul 12, 2017 13:13:09 GMT -5
-- edit: For the weak guy^ who posts here regularly. I assume this is for me, which , if so, I appreciate the gesture. If only insurance were different here, I would not be afraid to leave this job. \m/
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Post by vampiroporvida on Jul 12, 2017 21:24:18 GMT -5
I assume this is for me, which , if so, I appreciate the gesture. If only insurance were different here, I would not be afraid to leave this job. \m/ No, he's referring to me due to a picture I used as a reply to his Fantasy Booking post on the WWE Board. Whereas other people chimed in (one with a song with the title 'Too Much Time On My Hands') but no, I'm the weak one because I'm a Mod. Way to drill that into me, That 80s Guy - seriously, well done. Christ almighty... Oh, I had no idea. Thanks for that buddy. On a seperate note, ran into some cool new metal tracks this evening. Tech N9ne and Corey Taylor did a track together, wow. Not the greatest thing ever, as the music did not follow Corey's range well enough, but it was interesting. I got to hear the 8 Foot Sativa you told me about, and the other 2 are bands I like aswell....I need to explore them further, as I like what I am hearing (reminds me of Spineshank with the growl/scream to singing.) I also found a great new Nu-Metal/Rap Metal band called BackWordz. So good. I know it is not your favorite style, but you might like some of it. Cheers pal. VPV
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Post by vampiroporvida on Jul 17, 2017 15:56:19 GMT -5
This one is dedicated to the man who lives metal.. @3nwpro
I was realizing today how stoked I am on the new supergroup "Lethal Wilson" coming out. It is going to be epic. This got me pondering about supergroups and which ones did it well in any of the rock genres. The Killer and the Star, Supernova, Attika 7, and Chickenfoot come to mind, as supergroups that I know of, and mostly well receieved, well, except Supernova.
Is there a group any of you would put together? What has been good and bad about these supergroups. Are there any others we need to check out?
Much respect, VPV
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Post by Mark Martin on Jul 19, 2017 3:16:47 GMT -5
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Post by vampiroporvida on Jul 20, 2017 14:34:53 GMT -5
@3nwpro Hey man, I appreciate the thoughtful response. I dig supergroups, but am not sure how to define a supergroup as bands melded from the same genre, or if it can include folks from other genres too. I do not think as deep as the band itself, but more in style and singer. I would like to see anything with Corey Taylor and Fred Durst (and totatlity of LB and Slipknot/Stone Sour) together do songs ranging from the musical style of Stone Sour, Slipknot, and LB, as Fred can sing and Corey can rap. A whole album of Drown and Corporate Avenger (ala the Kerosene song) would be amazing. Those 2 fit well. A few others (mostly dual singers) would be like members of Seven Channels/The Vanished with Makeshift Romeo, Shinedown with Everlast, but more heavy nu-metally on a couple tracks (they would shine on slower tracks), Good Charlotte and Mest, and Flaw with Element Eighty and Spineshank, Machine Head with Spineshank, or Manson with the rapper from Trik Turner, if Manson goes for at least one track in the "this is the new...." style. So many more possibilities, but I am bad at this, and most probably would end up sounding awful. I would like more soft mixes like Stroke 9 with Eve 6 or Tonic and Counting Crows, but even more extreme stuff like mixing Abandoned Pools with Kenny G or Johnny Rzeznik with Richard Elliot, or a country/rock or rap mixup too. Even going the way of Hellyeah and not doing a normal style for either makes for an interesting new jaunt. Music makes for odd bedfellows... I had heard a little Superjoint Ritual and a Down Track, but not much. I like Phil's style though. I hear his weird Bill and Phil thing is going to be uniquely sounded. Preferred Damageplan though. Thanks for the reply bud. Sorry mine is long winded as usual, I just like to be thorough and talk about it all too. On a side note, I need to listen to this "Terror Universal" supergroup, as it looks Gwar-esque but with Ill Nino/Machine Head/Soulfly members, so the style will vary. I appreciate the good will sir, hope all is well on your side of the world. Keep on keepin on... Good talking to you. VPV
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Post by vampiroporvida on Jul 24, 2017 14:00:56 GMT -5
@3nwpro Hey man, I thought you would dig that Machine Head/Spineshank mix. Ironically "Colors" is what got me into MH. I just feel that those dudes could riff off each other well. Your extreme metal supergroup is assuredly awesome, but sadly I know not much about any of them. I need to check them out. Oddly, some metal is just too extreme for me, like Cannibal Corpse, but I always dig the imagery. Backwordz and Nonpoint, I did not make that link, but I can see the same structure which is apparent in most nu-metal, and albeit repetitive and derivative of each other, I dig all of it. I knew that wasn't really your favorite style, but wanted to let you know about them. On a side note, Nonpoint did do such an amazing cover of "In the Air Tonight". I have many cherished memories of that song (the phil collins version) and my Grandma. Good stuff. Some music can be repeated a trillion times and it still touches the soul (both for nu-metal songs and in the air tonight ). I do not really have many default bands, more like go to in the sense that I want to hear something I know already on the way to and from work, where I want to be open to new stuff while playing games. Then again, I am listening to Cold right now, and have been repeatedly for the past week, so, maybe... That Rebel Meets Rebel was interesting. I could not get into it, but a neat mix for the Texas boys. You might dig that Drown band. Truly metal. On the verge of hardcore like Hatebreed but with more of a Phil Anselmo vocal feel. Rock on man, I always enjoy the convo. We need bright spots in these sad days in the rock community. VPV \m/
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Post by vampiroporvida on Jul 25, 2017 11:30:07 GMT -5
@3nwpro
Hey buddy,
Glad to hear you have a song that elicits the good times like I do. I can listen to a few songs and get memories from the past, but few with better memories than ITAT. My grandma passed, so it is a great connection with her.
Thinking on the default bands, like you describe, I am prone to going back over and over to Stroke 9's first 2 albums, Cold's (13 ways, year of, different kind), Flaw (TTE and ES), and Eagle Eye Cherry. These things are the pickmeup go-tos. Specifically, these are a few of the albums that I can just let go without skipping a track. Even Limp Bizkit isn't on this list, and they are readily my favorite band since Faith. Odd that I don't have them on repeat all the time, but it may be because I did so much as a teen. Break Stuff was my jam.
I need to check out the metalcore you suggested. I have heard of Sworn Enemy by name, but have never heard anything by them, or anything specifically metalcore I can think of. Sounds cool and brutal. Metal was a pretty one way genre for me before I saw Metal Evolution (movies and tv), which showed me so many subgenres of metal. I had seen stuff around like Cradle and Cannibal, that friends were into, but did not really venture out much before that. I was cheap and didn't have a lot of money to explore with (except the glorious clearance racks and singles), and I didn't know of youtube. I am a lot more inquisitive now to see what exists out there.
I got to thinking, what metal/rock/music topics do you want to muse about? I have a few more good ones for you, and one for the whole entertainment board I am putting up soon about Create a Tour, that should be fun and engaging. I love talking music of any type/form (it is embedded in my soul) and it is awesome to talk it with someone with your passion about it. My local cd/movie store closed, so I don't get that much anymore.
Thanks for always being around and willing to chat. You rock. Much respect sir.
VPV
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Post by vampiroporvida on Jul 26, 2017 9:29:18 GMT -5
@3nwpro
Hey buddy, I am going to try and make sure I answer all the queries you posted, one by one (this will get long, sorry in advance. May do it in 2 posts).
I appreciate the sentiment for my grandma. She was my life.
Covers definetely, in my opinion, like yours, needs something unique to make them good. I like ones that took songs and covered them into another genre, even backwords, like Johnny Cash did with NIN. I always recall Faith from LB, Sweet Dreams from Manson (La Bouche's version too), and Turn the Page from Metallica as being the epitome of awesome.
There are a couple more no filler albums off the top of my head, like Throwing Copper and Birds of Prey from Live, Justin Nozuka's 1st album, Twisted Method (EFCC), Metallica (black album), Crazy Town (DH), a couple Papa Roach albums, the first two Shinedown records, and Smile Empty Soul. Several others come to mind from various genres, but I was more of a from the radio single on through the album guy, unless I was playing a game.
There are some songs that you just can't help but move with in many genres, but to me, Metal just exudes that always. Break Stuff and the ill-fated Woodstock 99 (I still love it) brought a lot of new ears to the precipice of hard rock and heavy metal. Woodstock, I would have given anything to be there, had so many issues, but it was a snapshot of the youth like us at the time, that unfortunately boiled over instead of releasing the anger in a positive way.
I loved Headbanger's Journey and Global Metal. His interview style, and overall essence made it fun to watch. The show of Metal Evolution was brilliant and informative. I need to watch the "lost episode" he posted to youtube. Writing this now, thinking back on the Nu-Metal one (I highly anticipated that one), I wish he had more enthusiasm for the bands on that one, but I get he did not like the style. That one showed a ton of negativity from fans of metal, and I would have liked to see some fans of the genre featured too. I would like to see him, in the future, interview Dez of Coal Chamber as a segment on the genre.
Will post part 2 at lunch....
VPV
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Post by vampiroporvida on Jul 26, 2017 13:06:48 GMT -5
Part 2... I like some Fear Factory, so I need to check those bands out. Women can definetely hang as lead vocalists. I had not too long ago bought a cd from Broken Flowerz, a female led Nu-Metal band from overseas....kinda cool. To me, Kittie rocked the hardest as far as women fronted/centered metal bands. Brackish will make you bang your head for sure. Odd promo vhs for that single made out of a styrofoam shell and plastic reels with the tape..plays, but breaks easily. Just an odd tidbit. Those vhs promos record stores had on loop were pretty cool. I forgot about that documentaty thread, man you have a good memory, and taste I didn't write this in there, because no one would care, but we used to have a video store that would, for a set monthly fee ($30-$50 depending on amount and newness of films), let you rent unlimited films, and later games, 3 out at a time. I spent a couple summers/years cranking 3 out a day of older vhs and dvds. Good times. Tuesdays were the best as all new releases would come out for all mediums. I lived for Tuesdays. For your new questions: Some of the smartest people I know listen to metal. The most extreme of metal. There were the other folks that were burnouts too, but they had their own things they were smart about. Rock and Rap, in general, seem to lend themselves to, and breed, creative and brilliant people. In these genres you are more likely to hear words you never new, be exposed to topics you never knew about (you might then delve in to those), and see creative images in terms of logo styles, t-shirts, set dressings, and band masks/paint/attire. These things can then in turn be used in variation in other aspects of their lives. Dumbing down it definetely does not do. WM3 - this is a tough one. I only know a the surface of the case, so let me talk on the basis of being metal fans getting them accused. Small towns, in general, not to mention the south (very religious), have a kind of heard mentality. When the norm is shaken, they are very vocal about it. When you mix in Tipper Gore's cencorship war, and the evilness that society thought metal was about and the hysteria that induced, and an unspeakable act, it culminated in a need for a quick scapegoat, and there was probably the feeling that one of their own couldn't have done it, so fingers got pointed. The DNA obviously exonerated them, but way too late. It was an awful thing to do, and should not have gone down that way, but without the technology we have today, and bad alibis, the assumption of the boys and what they liked made it go down that way. It still happens today, sadly, but the times have made it a bit better on these issues. Metal still has that stigma, but those kids that grew up on metal are adults now, and they are teaching their kids the truth and showing the world with their actions (docotors, lawyers, priests, etc. are fans). I just got into metal reaction videos a couple of weeks ago. They are pretty fun. When you see an elderly person that likes Slipknot you gotta raise the horns. Then again, I still have the kid in me that likes that they don't dig my music too. Teen angst and rebellion at 29....I am cliche. Too, it is interesting to see what kids/teens think, or not in most cases, about the stuff we grew up on. My how things have changed. :Que EDM: Most foreign music, solidly in another language, is hard for me to enjoy, unless I see the visual...each country does it so differently. I can do a listen here and there and bang/bob my head, but unless it has some english, it is probably not in my rotation. The mixtures of languages together are fun and teach me new words, and I dig that. Mostly Spanglish (English/Spanish) bands are my mix there. This mostly happens in my rap collection, but Molotov and some Ill Nino and P.O.D., are examples of the rock. Memento (members were also in VAST) is a big love of mine from Australia originally, but they still do all English, it is all normal to me. Some British stuff is hard for me to get into as well vocally, but the music jams hard like Hacktivist. There have been some things of various genres on the IMF (international music fees) tv chanel from around the globe that I thought are good songs, and pretty inovative visually, but can't name any...some pop/rock video with a girl and a chainsaw in a house...eerie. I wish I could say I have been to a concert this year, but it has been nearly 10 years since my last one. I think I counted I had been to 9 between the ages 13 and 20, all rock/pop/metal and rap shows. Circumstances with family, life issues, distance, and timing made me miss a lot. Almost went to the LB reunion show 4 years ago but I disliked the venue. No moshing, no thank you. I might not get in the pit, but I bounce around a bit. When I went, I always preferred club shows to arena shows. Much more intimate, closer to the stage, standing and jumping around, and easy access to water/restroom. Plus, people at club shows really love the bands they are seeing. Either place, no matter what, the stage setups were awesome with strobe lights and props and sideshow acts and just pure awesomeness (Lizardman and a drill). Met some bands back then and loved every second of it. The most rockstar thing I had ever seen was hanging outside waiting for bands to leave and meet them, Death By Stereo's lead singer was being carried to his car by his girlfriend. I saw him and said something like Death By Stereo rules, and in his stooper he threw up his arm in drunken acknowledgement and went to his car. That was what I always thought rockstars were like, and to see it and aimed at me, woah. The security guards were cool to talk to sometimes and had stories, and seeing the attendees at other venues before and after the show was a unique experience. Man I loved concerts. Nothing like a whole club full of strangers locking arms and singing the same song. I didn't lock arms, I didn't want to touch anyone I did not know, but still, the emotion. I regret not joining in. Well man, that was fun and new, thanks for that. I hope I answered all queries, as long winded as it is. I look forward to your responses. Stay metal my friend. VPV
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Post by vampiroporvida on Jul 27, 2017 21:16:44 GMT -5
@3nwpro
Hey man, sorry for the late response. Work was a nightmare.
So sorry to hear about your mom. I wish I knew anything else to say. Sometimes words just fail us.
Thanks for digging the eclecticness of my picks. I grew up on so many types of music and can find something I dig in most types...except new EDM....just not for me. I know you have varied tastes too, and that rules. I dig opening up the mind to new stuff. Shamelessly I can still bump something like "Mmmbop", on my funner feeling days. Music is where the heart is. I checked out the Jane Jensen track, and surprisingly never heard that one. Was never played on local radio stations back then, but would have fit well especially with the anger she exudes like Alannis. I can't compare it to the Metallica song, even though I have heard the track (I am absent minded at the moment), but it seems others in the videos comment section drew the same conclusion you did. Good ears sir. I was the guy in my friend group who couldn't tell a base line from a guitar riff on Iowa, so I am not good at seperating the riffs.
I agree, as we become the adults we have the buying power and then things we love kind of get more popular. It may be not exactly what you were referring to with taste, but as far as pushing all boundaries, teens want to go so far beyond us, but maybe we did the same as kids too, and this is the degree they are pushing it to to get a rise from us.
I have to see that Lost episode of ME. Sad to hear he lumped so many forms together there. Maybe he will go more in depth soon. He does seem to get across his passion so well, and it is infectious.
There is a sentiment that I have definetely faced in the metal friends I had that the soft metal with singing, and slower songs, made me less of a metal head. They just resonated with me better, but it wasn't the extreme they needed for me to be to classify me on their level. Kinda sucks, but, I found the people whom accepted it, so, it definetely got better. Now I let my freak flag fly when it comes to the music I dig. If I think about it, that was the origin of what metal was trying to get other people to do. \m/
Well man, I am extremely tired. I will post the response to part 2 tomorrow, because I want to do it with full thought.
Stay metal my friend. Thanks as always.
VPV
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Post by vampiroporvida on Jul 28, 2017 12:19:20 GMT -5
@3nwpro
Part 2 and 3 response
Hopefully both of us find our way to retirement soon, eh man. Here's to hoping. In the meantime, hopefully it gets more peaceful for you.
I like the cleaner style vocals that women produce, more, but they are definetely making headway in the growling area too. I honestly can't tell the gender of the singer without seeing a picture of them, and that is awesome. I had a local band here I knew back in the early 2ks that had a female lead singer who ran the gamut from growl to singing, and it was awesome. Not friends of mine anymore, but wish they would have made more music together, because they were great. Reading this post makes me want to bust out some Evanesence now...bring me to life!
Concept albums are so unique, and special. They are meant to connect to the specific crowds and not the masses.
I know I can definetely see how intelligent and well spoken/written you are. Plus you have the passion and creative thinking to go deep into the topics, and that is so cool, not to mention hard to do. It takes me forever to get all my thoughts out on paper...my head is a zoo with all the rewrites and such to make things just so. I can literally go stream of consciousness writing and 6 degrees of on these topics, so I have to rein myself in a bit, and only do a fresh nugget of trivia here and there. I am sure the length makes my posts unreadable to a lot of people, or so I have been told before in other things I write.
Music in general is awesome in that no matter what may go on in your brain, your body, etc., you have an outlet to get it out, expressing yourself, and inspire others along the way. Someone is always going to like the music made. Movies are the same sentiment. I have made the statement in the past that no matter how many hate something (art), there is the one person that it means the world to, and that is its purpose. How epic is that! Making the world a better place by doing what you love...
Interviews and stage performances to me show the individual personalities best, and that is always an interesting ride. It seems that the more creative/intelligent people are, the more they have some form of disorder, as the brain is running overtime on one side. Ironically, the problems these issues cause breed further creativity and deeper knowledge, as I have found for myself. But there is always the brink of madness we have to watch out for, and it can slip up faster than we know, as we have seen with Chester and Chris. Blessing and a curse.
That is awful to hear about Alex Hurley. The festival sounds so awesome. I actually looked it up and found someone else blogging about it and wanting it to return. If nothing else, a charity deathmetal festival would be awesome, no matter where it is donated. I think the youth need to experience that physical cohesion in the internet age, but they may have something unique to their post millenial that we are unaware of yet, and it could be epic.
Those kind of reaction videos hold no interest for me, as far as metal goes, as people are more likely not going to dig it, but then again, I can't fault someone for trying to find an alternate way to make it outside of the 9-5 grind. As long as it hurts no one, I say keep on keeping on, but I'll be elsewhere....
With the mythology that the black metal brings, I get wanting to only hear it in the native tongue. There is something about it that way that words can't describe but you can feel (the word escapes me right now). Intrinsic and palpable, maybe.
I didn't know asian metal existed. Heard k-pop and j-pop and it is fun, but metal. Wow. Mind blown. Gotta track this down and check it out. So cool all the different stuff you like musically. You mentioned VAST too, how cool is that. Free was a song I forgot about and rediscovered. NWA. So cool. Gangster rap is huge here. Check out Body Count and SX-10, metal bands, you might like the mix and be surprised by the members.
I can't even imagine all the shows you got to see. So cool. Never feel like the number of shows you saw is bragging, it is awesome. Honestly, people can look to you for so many good tidbits about venues, bands, places to be to meet the bands, etc.
I think I answered everything. I so look forward to writing these posts and reading your replies everday. I get to have actual conversations about stuff I like, and with someone across the world no less. So cool. I have a few good topics, I will post one this weekend in here for you; I don't want to run out of topics fast. I got some other tidbits to I think you'll like. You have so many good thoughts that you share, I'd like to see your opinions on some of the stuff I post in the general board, if the topics interest you. Your posts have the intangible gift of conveying wisdom and knowledge...the more people that see that the better.
Before I forget, new Slipknot documentary coming soon. Woo hoo!
Stay metal my friend. Thanks again.
VPV
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Post by vampiroporvida on Jul 31, 2017 15:17:20 GMT -5
@3nwpro
Allright buddy, I know you look forward to this like I do. Here is a question and a sweet tidbit for you.
What do you think about the use of masks and paint in metal? Does it turn you off to a band or draw you in? Does it matter to you if the mask/paint is a gimmick vs it having meaning? Does an outfit (for one member a piece or whole band) make the mask/paint more enhanced? Do these bands usually put in more of an effort with their artwork and stage props/performance/setup, to mesh with their gear?
Bonus question: Favorite show you went to and why?
Granted they aren't as good as your questions, but I love masks and paint (ICP fan for nearly a decade), and I am always drawn to the bands that have that aspect to them. I'll try to go as deep as I can on my reply. My art teacher one time asked me why I like drawing masked and painted face people/imagery so much and preceded to ask me if it is hiding from the world, kind of a pretection and anonymity. I don't think I answered, but still don't know the answer about myself. I have a deep love for that imagery. Maybe one can be hurt so many times by words from people that masks let them disappear and yet exist free from the pain....
Hope you dig it. Keep on keepin on sir.
VPV
P.s: you should check out the metal-archive. It is like a deep discog metal site (encylopedia style) with even small bands info. You can find little bands your favorite singers guested on to explore new stuff you would like (ex: under featuring robb flynn). My next post has an akin to this and something I'd like to do, but didn't want to wait to share that with you. \m/
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Post by vampiroporvida on Aug 2, 2017 18:21:13 GMT -5
@3nwpro Hey man, awesome responses. This response I am going to do over a couple posts today and tomorrow. I know how much there is to respond to, and it takes a lot when I write only on my phone. No worries on the delay, life gets the better of all of us. One thousand percent right you are on the job thing. People are coming around though, slowly, but there are rumblings. Such a movement, freeganism, is an interesting discovery to see. You should watch dive! , if the topic interests you. People are finding ways, and others are working towards a legislative release for all. Peace be with you. I need to actually do some research on the concept album definition and examples, before I can fairly answer. I think my idea of what they are is wrong. I tend to think of themed albums (majority of songs about one topic), or ones where each song blends from the previous to create a cohesive story, like Wizard of the Hood did (amazing rap album, but not many would like it). Pink Floyd with Darkside are always throne around as a cohesive concept done right, but, haven't listened to it all the way through, as I was not big on them. I will research more and give a better answer next post. On second thought, I think I have one of those Fear Factory albums on cassette, to the batcave! I always learning of new things, and if I am going to talk about it with awesome thinkers like yourself, I have to do the research. That festival truly is something from the bands to the fan, and that is rare. Horns high for all of you guys \m/ I am with you on Slipknot speaking to people deeply, but radio/video helped get them into the ears to infect the hearts. Remember street teams? I was thinking how awesome and unique they were back when, and how much exposure they could give a band in a specific city. Free swag. Everybody loves that. I ran into a Drowning Pool street team member years ago, and they will give you the cd single and a sticker on the hopes that you will pass it on, if nothing else. They deck out vans and stuff around here to, and that looks cool enough to make you seek further. I know this links to one of your questions, but I will go further on that. I need to check out those Asian metal bands in general, as I forgot all about that Global Metal segment. Maybe I need to rent that again and see those bonus features too. Thanks for all the kind words man, I appreciate it. I mean what I say about you, you have a brilliant outlook and thoughts, and I dig reading them on any topic. The more eyes that see your posts, and actual insightful conversation on a topic, ala the lounge, maybe they might not have a problem sharing. We are all quite similar here, and it just takes that one thing to help people think and maybe inspire something in them, regardless of age. I dig that young people read these things and maybe take these thoughts elswhere and share them there. We could literally have traveled the world and not known it I have looked down on my generation plenty, but I am softening in my old age, and finally seeing the goodness they have to offer, and maybe if they hear the right info, like we did all those years ago, it can have an impact to help this crazy world be the best, and most peaceful, it can be. Cheers mate. That is all for me this evening. Too much rain and work. Gotta go be a zombie and soak up the tv. Will have more tomorrow.... Much respect my friend. May things get a little less hectic for all of us. VPV
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Post by vampiroporvida on Aug 3, 2017 14:00:12 GMT -5
@3nwpro I decided to write the reply in my notebook first, and then type it up. I am at nearly 2 full back/front pages so far and only through replies up to question 3 of your new set. This is going to be a long one. I am going to have to type it up on a computer this weekend or my thumbs will break off. I will put a question or 2 for you too. Sorry for the wait buddy. Trying to make it good. Will post soon. Stay metal.
VPV
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Post by Grumpyoldman on Aug 6, 2017 16:05:51 GMT -5
Motorhead will release their final CD next month. It's called "Under Cover" and it's all cover songs.
Track listing: 1. Breaking the Law (Produced by Cameron Webb) 2008
2. God Save the Queen (Produced by Bob Kulick and Bruce Bouillet) 2000
3. Heroes (Produced by Cameron Webb) 2015
4. Starstruck (Produced by Cameron Webb) 2014
5. Cat Scratch Fever (Produced by Peter Solley) 1992
6. Jumpin’ Jack Flash (Produced by Bob Kulick and Bruce Bouillet) 2001
7. Sympathy for the Devil (Produced by Cameron Webb) 2015
8. Hellraiser (Produced by Billy Sherwood) 1992
9. Rockaway Beach (Mixed by Cameron Webb) 2002
10.Shoot ‘Em Down (Produced by Bob Kulick and Bruce Bouillet) 2001
11. Whiplash (Produced by Bruce Bouillet and Bob Kulick) 2005
Sorry that Bowie didn't get to hear this. Even sadder that it was the last song Lemmy recorded.
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Post by vampiroporvida on Aug 6, 2017 20:53:31 GMT -5
@3nwpro
Here is part 2 to the above post I made to your response post and queries. Sorry it took so long man. This was a hard one during a kind of hard time. I hope you dig it, I tried my best...
Concept albums- I just don’t understand, or know exactly one new example I can say is after seeing some. Sorry man, this one is way beyond my grasp of what I know and hear in the music. I envy the fact you can go that deep with the music to see a cohesive theme. Since your question, I am beginning to listen closer to lyrics, but I wouldn’t feel comfortable saying something is a concept album, anything more than a record themed around pain and anger.
Atmosphere. You nailed it with that word. How could I have forgotten that? Truly, black metal, and metal in general, make the atmosphere ring so true/real, even if someone doesn’t like it, they want to stare into that abyss and see what is on the other side, so to speak. Kind of like curiosity makes them want to understand/experience that darkness/anger, in a safe way.
I didn’t get to fully flesh out my own question to you last time; so here is my take. I am completely enamored, as I said before, with that imagery of masks and paint, so much so that any music group/rapper, no matter the genre, that dons these things, I go check them out, because I am like a moth to a flame. It hits something down deep for me. I prefer if there is a backstory on the facial accoutrement, but it isn’t necessary. There is a feeling of missing something, for me, when a band drops the stage persona later, but I will still dig the new music. A fleshed out look makes the whole image have more of an impact, like a slipknot/mushroomhead/mudvayne, or even a simple black dickies outfit like Drainage X does. What set Mudvayne, specifically, apart to me, were the vivid colors. They didn’t stay to dark colors; they went across the rainbow so to speak. Their cartoon image shirt is still one of my favorites to this day. The masks/ paint then give way to a unique brand of fanaticism, like you mentioned, in that you dig so hard into their backgrounds to find out who they really are and what they look like unmasked. Slipknot, to their credit, kept their faces under wraps for so long, that it just truly added something epic and mysterious to their legacy. They could literally write at least a couple of chapters in a book on how they didn’t break kayfabe at the forefront of the internet revolution, and maintained their character (that they wanted to portray) with fans. If this was wrestling, Cornette would be so proud. As for stage show part, after a rewrite, I can say this: In terms of metal bands, specifically, the masked guys seem to make things as simple as drumming unique, like Shawn’s keg drums and that massive drum with odd sticks that Mushroomhead has. Then there is Manson that, painted a lot of the time, goes into the stratosphere with his props and show like Alice Cooper did back in the day. These aspects give me a feeling of a dinner and a show, for lack of a better term. I recount direct aspects of these shows to folks, more than just saying, they were awesome live. Tells to tale and all. Greatest show I had even been to, stage show wise, are ICP and KMK. From props to antics, to Faygo, nothing gets close. As a matter of fact, Vampiro came out onstage at the ICP show, pointed me out and nailed me with a Faygo bottle. The highlight of all highlights. Funnily enough, Ill Nino had strobe lights that nearly blinded me they were so bright; but so worth it.
Skipping ahead a bit, the greatest show (per performance), outside of those, was Flaw. Nothing particularly unique there, but seeing Chris Volz live was just awesome. That man can sing. It was a bill with Ill Nino/Element Eighty/Flaw/40 Below Summer, in a relatively small club. It may have been bare bones, but it was epic. I had so much fun that night. Slipknot/Fear Factory/Chimera/Death by Stereo (Jagermeister Tour w/ Lizardman) was brilliant (2004?), but I loved Flaw’s music more, so they edged out. Been to 8 or so shows, and loved them all. Goo Goo Dolls (love them) was my first show (a local radio yearly concert), but so loud at the time (I was 12 or 13). Each show has a special place in my heart and something memorable about it, good and bad, ironically. I never did do an outside festival, due to heat issues, but did arenas and clubs.
I want to see your BEAST promotion full fledged, whether real, animated show, or game. This deserves to be seen. Sounds epic. The art you spoke about of mine, there was only about 3 or 4 drawings I am proud of, but art was just something odd and fun for me. I did weird stuff and dictated it to the rules of the assignment and intertwined by my interests, like my Fred Durst wannabe self on a snowboard (backwards hat and all) plastic bottle sculpture, or Ringmaster paper football field. I wasn’t good, but some teachers made me better than I thought I could be, and at times, I wanted everything to be perfect. I don’t have most things anymore, and they couple I do, are not with me. I would show you if I had them.
Your new Questions: Anybody, especially celebrities, that are metal fans is great. Music is for everyone. When they talk about the music, or wear the shirts, etc., it exposes bands to all the celebrity’s fans whom may never have heard them before, and gives them almost a more open mind when hearing them. I might not want to be in a crowd being pushed around by their security though…gotta be free.
Essentially, the same goes for folks that wear them that aren’t about them; they just want to look “edgy.” These bands deserve the exposure, so, I think more eyeball the better. Honestly, sometimes it is a piece of expression that others utilize in their own way. Plus, let’s be honest, metal/rock bands make the most fantastic graphics that people just want to wear them anyway, no matter if they like the band or not. I myself have been tempted. I am a font guy, and the fonts on these new bands are just so GLORIOUS. The only few bands I know of that kept the name after the singer I knew of left, never really tried to alter the direction, but also never lived up to the past. Drowning Pool, for one, could never get to the level of brutality and passion that Dave exuded. The majority of the time, from what I have seen, the bands that lose a singer also lose the name to the singer that left. Now, from what I have listened to, Alter Bridge did it overall better than Creed (but Creed still stands atop), if that counts. Weirdly, the band members themselves are nearly replaceable in a lot of the bands that I listen to, even LB; even though I missed Wes, before he returned, it was more nostalgia that I was missing. Though, he does bring an essence to the band, or atmosphere, that changes when he is there. I get no one could replace Dime, or the other technically proficient members of a band, as they are so rare to find, and have that magnanimous personality to boot. I guess succinctly stated, you may replicate something in sound, but not presence, if that makes sense.
Tipper’s movement did and didn’t do what it set out to. Some kids got burned because they couldn’t buy a parental advisory album, and their parents wouldn’t purchase it for them. Luckily we had edited albums to purchase. Not the same content/message exactly, but it was a way for us to get the music we loved, less edited than maybe the radio at times. My collection is still full of them, but I do have the hunger to buy the og versions to listen to them the way I want to. These folks went as far as editing the artwork/liner notes. I guess for this section of the reply I will say we still got the stuff she wanted gone/restricted, essence anyway, and the bands still profited, but she succeeded in altering them to a more conservative view on speech (maybe thought too). Then there is the side that drove kids/adults towards the music due to its explicit content. I mean, the banned music, the top 10 most vile bands, even the Video Nasties from the UK, it all had the same effect. People flocked to these bands/movies, were predisposed to wanting to love them, and made them become cult favorites, with more of the fanatical fanbases, due to the obscurity and rebellion. 2 Live Crew didn’t hurt because of it, neither did King Diamond. Frankly, they got more exposure and dug the outlaw tag. These bands embraced the tag and let the flag fly high. I dig that. No matter what genre they came from. If they got slapped like that and responded by not only rocking on, but repping it hard, that is metal. \m/
While I am not sure exactly what makes a fanatical fan that way, there is something that only some bands can evoke. Something deep and primal. I will say that masking and painting leads to fanatically wanting to know who the band is, but that is only one thing. Besides that aspect, I would say only some fans become that way (the more vocal ones), and those of us whom can be, have made the music our lives. It means the world to us. The bands that should be big: Flaw, Switched, Element Eighty, Cold, Unloco, Memento. Some are lesser known than others, but the majority of them had only 1 song on the radio or MTV, if any. Each band brings an album unique to a specific sound and a theme that speaks to a person at different times in their life, depending on the struggles of the day. Flaw and Switched do anger and sadness in different sounds, but evoke that fist in the air emotional catharsis that one needs. Element Eighty speaks to heartbreak and just letting it all go in one big heavy way. Cold. Well, they speak to so so many things, and I think you can find a song of their to fit your every mood, as long as it is sullen. Unloco is just a fun metal band that makes you want to enjoy being angry and mad at the world that doesn’t get you. Memento is a bit more personal to the spirit. I won’t speak upon that one much, but if anyone hears the record, and is in the headspace that they speak, you will lean on it in times of questioning and despair. So many bands deserved to be big, even more than I know of, or were ever signed. These are just a few that could have touched so many more lives. I am grateful for them. As it was once stated, “Life ain’t what it seems, it ain’t no dream.”
There is not a topic I would ever censor in any way. If someone wants to say it, or talk about it, go for it, but that doesn’t mean I will listen to, or like it, but by all means, go ahead. I am an avid fan of Horrorcore, which can get distasteful to say the least, and has crossed a line more than once. Black metal has gone to some interesting areas in lyrical content, but it does help some people. There are topics I care nothing about listening to, and prefer to skip them if they come up, but I wouldn’t even bypass a whole band because of it; I might be missing out on something great. Plus, if they say something truly reprehensible, and are “bout that life,” banning it, or condemning it, is not going to help you to eliminate it, or those thoughts, like we said before. Moths to the flame and all. Live and let live I say, but just please don’t act it out…I am looking at you Varg. Bonus: Jagermeister Rareities 2004. The perfect mix to turn someone on to metal. There is a live song or two, and many different styles of metal are showcased, which you could then explore further the more specific subgenres of the bands you like from the record. From Slayer, Damageplan, Slipknot, Flaw, Dope, Sworn Enemy, God Forbid, Hatebreed, etc. A ton of styles showcased, though none from the classical singing repertoire of someone like Cradle or Iced Earth. Since that is a promo album, if you just want a wide release album, and a non compilation (there are a couple of good ones), Flaw – Through the Eyes. Different styles showcased from growl to rap/rock to singing. Not the traditional metal album, but for that, the Black Album from Metallica would do nicely.
I hope I answered everything. This was a tough one. I will come up with a new query and get it to you in the next couple of days. Been dealing with some issues on my end, so sorry it took so long. Glad I got it out. Hope you like the responses. Can’t wait to hear from you. I appreciate all your knowledge and thoughtful responses. I learn a lot. Stay metal my friend.
VPV
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2017 11:54:44 GMT -5
After two decades as a band, The Dillinger Escape Plan will play their final show on Friday, December 29 at Terminal 5 in New York, NY. Opening the event will be Code Orange and Daughters.
Speaking on its location, frontman Greg Puciato had this to say: "For me, in terms of shows, New York has always been one city on a short list of them, where every Dillinger show felt like a homecoming. Maybe it's the proximity to New Jersey, maybe because we're all East Coast natives, maybe for me it's largely because it was the location of my first show with the band back in 2001, and maybe a lot of it is just the overall energy of the city itself. So many incredible shows, unforgettable memories on and offstage, and familiar faces both backstage and in the crowd. Add to that the fact that geographically its the one city that makes the most sense for anyone traveling from the east or west, or up the coast, and this was kind of a no-brainer from the beginning."
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Post by Mark Martin on Aug 9, 2017 0:39:42 GMT -5
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Post by vampiroporvida on Aug 9, 2017 16:34:01 GMT -5
@3nwpro Hey buddy, loved the responses. So good. Let me respond to the ones you left in there... Your brother and I and kindred spirits for sure on that one. You hit the nail on the head. I do live vicariously through them. They do what I don't have the courage to do....rock out in front of people and bare your soul. I have too many fears and idiocsyncracies to do it, even though music is something I adore; I am a in my room/car singer. I throw down hard there Too, just like you said, they represent me, and the mask/paint lets me put myself in that position, singing those songs, letting me be heard. Catharsis and all that good stuff. Oh man, getting hit with/sprayed/catching a Faygo bottle is an honor in that realm. Faygo (Diet Rootbeer) in a 2 litter plastic bottle, twisted open and punted or thrown off stage, raining down on the crowd) by the hundreds. They literally truck the stuff in to each show. It is pure magic...I am getting goosebumps just writing about it. *as a tidbit you'd like, tourinf around asia they don't use faygo, so they slap on a sticker of "Insane Clown Soda" on the bottle decked out with kanjis. Interesting aside on Devolved. You truly have to be hardcore to have an extra warning on your cd that something could cause you physical harm. I prefer no strobelights, because they hurt my eyes, but either way, I respect the asthetic. \m/ Flaw was on the Scorpion King sountrack, you're right, I had no idea. I was never too big into soundtracks, but there were some like Texas Chainsaw Massacre (gotta buy that one), Little Nicky, Jerry Maguire (Springsteen's Secret Garden was all I bought it for), Jay Silent Bob Strike Back, etc., that did it right. Then again, not every song from the movies were on there, and that was a bummer sometimes. I would love to see any incarnation of the BEAST, please let me know when it is up. Horrorcore is more ICP, Necro, Mars, Brotha Lynch, Getto Boys, etc. It is like a horror film on wax. Like gangsta rap turned to the nth degree. It is not something the majority of people dig, and I don't blame them, and I don't even recomnend it to people anymore, but it was something that helped me to release stress, frustration, and anger when I was a kid, and I'll always hold it dear, even though I rarely listen to it anymore, well minus a couple of albums on some days. Reading your posts on the metal shirts and celebrities reminded me of something Fred Durst said when talking about it being a bummer of a sort to see the very people you are making music about, railing against, be at your shows and enjoying your music. I get exactly where you are coming from, and respect it. Music is sacred. As far as the masses liking it, I am not sure if that is bad or not, as maybe we all have that pain/anger inside of us, and maybe the music can bridge that gap a little bit. Just a thought. To be honest man, my statement stems from the fact that I just want the world to get along and be better with each other. So much despair and sadness. The Jagermeister album is officially titled "Jagermusic Rarities 2004". Shouldn't be hard to find and is an awesome mix of bands and styles. I am glad you think it is cool. Yours definetely hit the spot too, and I could see someone going deep into metal by that soundtrack. Bonus: Heres a fun one before the deep question.... What bad would you have cover what song in a different style/genre? For me I want to hear Hatebreed do ABA from Kid Rock (Undertaker's old theme), in heavy metal style with oldschool Jasta vocals. Here's a few questions that kind of have a theme. Does 1 album, or just 1 song, of a different tempo or style make a band no longer metal? (Ie: Black Album slow songs) Are there songs that the 1st time you heard the first few chords, it stopped you dead in your tracks, and you were just entranced? I mean, you knew you were going to love it, but on a deeper level, like the hair on your neck stood up. Has a metal song made you tear up, and is that even ok in the metal community at large? What do you think about slow songs in metal? (I will wait to give my thoughts on the other one, but this one had my brain going a thousand miles an hour. This one hits home.) To me, slow songs from metal bands, and others too, have the feeling they want us to listen close and hear every word, with nothing to obscure it. They are usually direct and have very little abstract meaning to them. I feel they are trying to make sure we learn something specific, or feel exactly what they are trying to convey. They seem to be special songs meant for the populous as a whole, not just the metal crowd, especially given the nature of the songs lyrical content and auditorily pleasing sounds. Most of the time these are my first likes on a new album after the radio cut, and ones that I hold truly dear. These, to me, have the effect of bypassing any fronts and staring into the soul of a person, not a performer, and gives a connection like no other. Most metal bands have these songs, often trashed, but there are songs that beat the hate like Staind-Outside or Lajon (Sevendust) - Angel's Son. These are liked from many sides of the isles. Do you get that feeling from them? I tried writing why they mean so much or connect so much with me, but the words just don't come out right, like it cannot be succinctly expressed. Some combo of being an outsider, more mature than age group, sensitive and the like. Ok buddy, I have some other fun ones, but hopefully this is good for now. I am always game to talk on so many subjects, not just metal, and I know my questions are not as good and deep as yours, especially with your true love of all the subgenres, but I try to find the common threads. Some of my favorite stuff is just life and philosophy, like we mix in usually, but I will try my best no matter the topic. If you ever find some topic that you don't think people would dig a full thread on, write me a pm, and always tag me in your new threads. I'll always make time to chat with you. These convos not only help me and make me happy, they make me grow with what I learn. Cheers as always my friend. Stay metal. VPV
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