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Post by BULLDOGS AND STORM 2009 on May 26, 2009 23:53:38 GMT -5
spiting jr and king up
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Post by Controversial Maverick PUNK on May 27, 2009 0:05:17 GMT -5
The way they're using - and wasting Burchill..
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Post by j2dacversion3 on May 27, 2009 0:25:21 GMT -5
The lack of divas in Playboy.
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Post by Johnny Wrestling on May 27, 2009 0:28:09 GMT -5
The lack of divas in Playboy. This seems to be it.
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Post by WalterF on May 27, 2009 1:01:03 GMT -5
Honestly, just the feeling that WWE are not trying to do anything to push the envelope or do anything innovative. To me, since they've become the sole major organization they have just been resting on their laurels. The majority of feuds and storylines are so generic and rushed today compared to how they used to be. There used to be deep feuds and rivalries with intense stories, crazy backstage happenings and all kinds of exciting stuff that kept you on the edge of your seat. I just sense that nothing new or exciting is being brought to the table. It seems like the WWE has just stuck with safe, generic feuds. Most of them seem like they have no depth and are just thrown together. Overall, it's just a feeling of sterilization of the product. All faces are white bread generic faces, all heels are cowardly bad guys and no inbetween. The innovations, the suprises and all of that have really been cut down. There's plenty of good wrestling and good wrestlers to keep me watching, but the "must see TV" feel of the Monday Night War is long gone. Vince will always produce better when he is being chased and he's not being chased. I also think alot of younger talent aren't given enough time to show character. Most undercard matches on RAW are about 2 minutes and those guys don't even get to cut promo's or be in feuds ... they come out and do a cheesy gesture and maybe a 2-3 word catchphrase and that's it. It must be crazy hard to get over unless you can pack a lot of exciting spots in a short amount of time like Evan Bourne, for example. There's a few exceptions ... i found Jericho/HBK to be an excellent feud that actually reminded me of something you'd see in 1997 and 1998 when WWE was at its creative peak. The story was dramatic, it progressed and had twists and turns ... hell, Jericho ended up a completely different character by the end of it. Now THAT is a wrestling angle. We don't get much of that anymore. I suppose with so many PPV's there just isn't time anymore to build alot. But alot of feuds just seem overly formulaic and contrived and the story is never developed much ... its just ... wrestler A cuts a promo, wrestler B interferes in the match and back-and-forth. I think we should be progressing and for a while wrestling on a whole was progressing, but right now it feels like WWE is relying on a lot of outdated and overused formula's and idea's without making much of an effort to break some ground and push the envelope. Whew, i was long-winded, but I'm passionate about this stuff lol!!!!
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Post by Emerald Enthusiast on May 27, 2009 1:14:52 GMT -5
Overall, it's just a feeling of sterilization of the product. All faces are white bread generic faces, all heels are cowardly bad guys and no inbetween. The innovations, the suprises and all of that have really been cut down. There's plenty of good wrestling and good wrestlers to keep me watching, but the "must see TV" feel of the Monday Night War is long gone. Vince will always produce better when he is being chased and he's not being chased. I also think alot of younger talent aren't given enough time to show character. Most undercard matches on RAW are about 2 minutes and those guys don't even get to cut promo's or be in feuds ... they come out and do a cheesy gesture and maybe a 2-3 word catchphrase and that's it. It must be crazy hard to get over unless you can pack a lot of exciting spots in a short amount of time like Evan Bourne, for example. You hit on a major flaw here. WWE seems to have lost all concept of character development. We used to see things like the Undertaker building caskets in his workshop, Bret Hart showing us around the fabled Dungeon, George Steele running around in a zoo imitating animals. We get very little of that now. I'd love to see segments like CM Punk going to a sXe concert, MVP getting jewelry made, Umaga trying to shop for groceries. Instead, all we get are locker room conversations again and again.
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Post by michs on May 27, 2009 2:03:37 GMT -5
PPV Rematches.
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Post by The Sexy Psychotic on May 27, 2009 2:25:46 GMT -5
The Fans are always silent, nothing ever blows them away except from Cena and Jeff
Plus Triple H's constant Main Eventing. I didn't mind it when he was a heel because he's a great heel, but when he's face its just crap, and old now.
And without blood, some matches, or events such as Extreme Rules are pointless
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Post by figurefanatic316 on May 27, 2009 2:46:24 GMT -5
randy orton
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Post by Hammersmith Hardman on May 27, 2009 3:14:02 GMT -5
when the crowd yells what Exactly what I was going to say. It's pathetic, ruins a lot of good promos.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2009 4:03:00 GMT -5
With my first post I want to say something that has been bothering me for quite some time now.
I am a huge fan of the late 80s until the mid 90s WWF and WCW and from then on only WCW until the end of good wrestling in 2000.
The thing that ruined WWE the most was that they so carelessly broke kayfabe and took the magic out of being a mark. Everybody knows that wrestling is not intended to kill people. But it helps if the guys on tv act like it is actually a real fight going on.
The whole attitude era killed the comicbook feel of wrestling. How can it be that every wrestler is dressed in black? How can guys wrestle in the same outfits? Why do they look so generic and interchangeable? I can't tell apart all of the young guys. Everybody is so universally gifted... there aren't different styles of wrestling anymore. And please... why does everybody have the same kind of heavy metal entrance music? Jim Johnston used to write better and more heterogenic pieces.
The PPVs in the past were really good, because they meant something. There is even nothing special about summerslam anymore. The rest of the PPVs outside of the big 4 is completely forgettable.
The brand split with the drafts every year is something so ridiculous that i don't even read the news anymore. If you want different brands... please have different federations. Nobody cares what brand Triple H is on anymore. He always wins in the main event. And one thing is for certain ... although he gets the same attention as Hogan got ... he is no Hulk Hogan.
WWE should really be worried if Ricky Steamboat, Michaels and the Undertaker were the highlights of WM 25.
I could go on for lengths but it's better if I stop now. Thanks for reading.
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WM = "The Viper"
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Post by WM = "The Viper" on May 27, 2009 4:19:54 GMT -5
Same old matches week in and week out.
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Post by wabarrett on May 27, 2009 4:59:17 GMT -5
1. ECW Brand. WWE should remove the brand and the worthless ECW championship and move the decent wrestlers over to RAW or Smackdown!
2. Vickie Guerrero. The most annoying thing in WWE, she ruined the Smackdown! brand for over a year and now she is ruining RAW.
3. Santino/ Santina Marella. The second most annoying thing in WWE.
4. WWE releasing wrestlers such as Manu, Elijah Burke and Lance Cade when they could have gone somewhere.
5. WWE not releasing Festus, Jillian, Jim Duggan, Rosa Mendes, Sim Snuka, The Miz, Alicia Fox, Curt Hawkins, Dolph Ziggler, Jesse, Jimmy Wang Yang, Kung Fu Naki, Ricky Ortiz, DJ Gabriel, Ezekiel Jackson, Tony Atlas and Zack Ryder, who are all a waste of space.
6. Having two championships for the Divas. There is no need for the Divas championship.
7. Edge having to rely on Vickie Guerrero in order to win a championship for the last year and a half.
If that was all changed, WWE would be fine.
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Post by Emerald Enthusiast on May 27, 2009 5:15:23 GMT -5
1. ECW Brand. WWE should remove the brand and the worthless ECW championship and move the decent wrestlers over to RAW or Smackdown! 2. Vickie Guerrero. The most annoying thing in WWE, she ruined the Smackdown! brand for over a year and now she is ruining RAW. 3. Santino/ Santina Marella. The second most annoying thing in WWE. 4. WWE releasing wrestlers such as Manu, Elijah Burke and Lance Cade when they could have gone somewhere. . I'm still scratching my head over this. The guy had a great look, was extremely athletic, and a natural on the mic. How is it possible that the creative nimrods couldn't find a spot for a guy like this??!!
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Post by jfinnomore on May 27, 2009 5:39:36 GMT -5
5. WWE not releasing Festus, Jillian, The Miz, Alicia Fox, Curt Hawkins, Dolph Ziggler, Jesse, Jimmy Wang Yang, Ezekiel Jackson, and Zack Ryder, who are all a waste of space. are you high? All these names can actually you know wrestle, granted their gimmick may need more work but thats not there fault. If anything WWE needs to use these guys more and their product might be better.
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Post by s☠e on May 27, 2009 6:42:57 GMT -5
Raw commentary.
Misuse of, imo, proper talent.
70% of the Divas.
Ass-raping us with storylines.
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Post by dpvchairman on May 27, 2009 6:54:12 GMT -5
1. WWE PG 2. WWE Universe references 3. Eve/Layla rivalry 4. Cena/Show thing still going on 5. Kennedy being injured again. 6. Flair still on WWE televisions. 7. Lack of Playboy Divas. 8. Rarely any titles besides the World Titles are defended. Hell, Maryse has the title since December with, like 2 title defenses. 9. Michael Cole's broadcasting.
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Post by ● kaneisdaman ● on May 27, 2009 7:03:46 GMT -5
The constant abuse and mistreatment of kane.
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Post by The Future on May 27, 2009 7:24:04 GMT -5
Michael Cole, mainly.
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Post by punker on May 27, 2009 7:44:22 GMT -5
Batista, Cena, Santino and Kennedy having a job.
intellectually- disabled Second Generation retards making their names off their daddies.. and only having a job because of them. See: Ted DiBiase Jr, Cody Rhodes & DH Smith.
Triple H.
Michelle McCool.
Jerry Lawler.
Wrestlers who get awesome send-off because they're retiring.. only to come back not even a year later. Yes, Ric Flair, I'm talking to you.
And intellectually- disabled marks.
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