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Post by Joey Cush on Jul 25, 2009 15:48:07 GMT -5
I guess in a way, he kind of is. But he can really pull out a lot of different moves in different situations. I mean he does have his finishing combo, which everybody has, but mid match- he can pull out some things that you don't normally see. MVP on the other hand, I always feel like I'm watching the same match. He does the over head throw, boot in the corner, and finally the playmaker. Nothing stands out IMO. CM Punk only does the knee in the corner, bulldog and the GTS, along with that rope thing he does, oh and the lowkick snoozefests he puts on for 15 minutes before sealing the deal with yet another kick to the face. He doesn't need to do his finishing move on me, to put me asleep. Dude, thats is finishing combo. I mean go and watch Morrison Vs Punk- excellent wrestling by both men. Better yet, watch Rey Mysterio Vs Punk from Smackdown!. These guys had a great match and it seemed pretty fresh to me. Where MVP just bores me. Now don't even reply to me, because it's going to end up in a fight- because you won't let anybody have a negative opinion on MVP or Mr. Anderson.
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Post by DMO™ on Jul 25, 2009 15:50:04 GMT -5
I'm a huge MVP fan but i have say CM Punk is better of the two... Not by much though.. maybe my opinion would change if we get to see MVP in the main event scene.
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Post by HugoOne on Jul 25, 2009 16:00:50 GMT -5
I like both, but Punk is miles better than Porter. On the mic and in the ring.
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Post by mnm213 on Jul 25, 2009 16:01:11 GMT -5
CM Punk only does the knee in the corner, bulldog and the GTS, along with that rope thing he does, oh and the lowkick snoozefests he puts on for 15 minutes before sealing the deal with yet another kick to the face. He doesn't need to do his finishing move on me, to put me asleep. Dude, thats is finishing combo. I mean go and watch Morrison Vs Punk- excellent wrestling by both men. Better yet, watch Rey Mysterio Vs Punk from Smackdown!. These guys had a great match and it seemed pretty fresh to me. Where MVP just bores me. Now don't even reply to me, because it's going to end up in a fight- because you won't let anybody have a negative opinion on MVP or Mr. Anderson. No, that's his whole moveset. Kick, kick, kick, kick, kick, knee in the corner, bulldog, kick to the head, GTS. And no, don't worry - it's not ending up in a fight at all. I'm free to reply if I want. I'm just saying it like it is, who can deny that? Watch his matches, and I mean HIM. Not John Morrison or Rey Mysterio. You're paying attention to them, not Punk himself, hence why you believe Punk did well. Really, the others did well and all hes did was kick after kick after kick. No, I don't care if you dont like MVP or not. I'm talking about Punk here.
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Post by Joey Cush on Jul 25, 2009 16:10:15 GMT -5
Dude, thats is finishing combo. I mean go and watch Morrison Vs Punk- excellent wrestling by both men. Better yet, watch Rey Mysterio Vs Punk from Smackdown!. These guys had a great match and it seemed pretty fresh to me. Where MVP just bores me. Now don't even reply to me, because it's going to end up in a fight- because you won't let anybody have a negative opinion on MVP or Mr. Anderson. No, that's his whole moveset. Kick, kick, kick, kick, kick, knee in the corner, bulldog, kick to the head, GTS. And no, don't worry - it's not ending up in a fight at all. I'm free to reply if I want. I'm just saying it like it is, who can deny that? Watch his matches, and I mean HIM. Not John Morrison or Rey Mysterio. You're paying attention to them, not Punk himself, hence why you believe Punk did well. Really, the others did well and all hes did was kick after kick after kick. No, I don't care if you dont like MVP or not. I'm talking about Punk here. Punk's submissions alone match MVP's entire moveset.
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Post by mnm213 on Jul 25, 2009 16:15:48 GMT -5
No, that's his whole moveset. Kick, kick, kick, kick, kick, knee in the corner, bulldog, kick to the head, GTS. And no, don't worry - it's not ending up in a fight at all. I'm free to reply if I want. I'm just saying it like it is, who can deny that? Watch his matches, and I mean HIM. Not John Morrison or Rey Mysterio. You're paying attention to them, not Punk himself, hence why you believe Punk did well. Really, the others did well and all hes did was kick after kick after kick. No, I don't care if you dont like MVP or not. I'm talking about Punk here. Punk's submissions alone match MVP's entire moveset. Yeah, the one submission he uses on the ropes... and it lasts a whole of 4 seconds... Look - Ballin Elbow Drop, Overhead Throw, German Suplex, Drive By Kick, Playmaker, Boot in the Corner, Clothesline. Punk? He's got 50 kicks, that one 4 second submission, the GTS, and the knee/bulldog combo. And if we're lucky, he MIGHT break out that underhook backbreaker. MVP's just got more exciting moves, in my opinion. Basically, all of Punk's moveset consists of a knee/kick combination.
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Post by Joey Cush on Jul 25, 2009 16:20:17 GMT -5
Punk's submissions alone match MVP's entire moveset. Yeah, the one submission he uses on the ropes... and it lasts a whole of 4 seconds... Look - Ballin Elbow Drop, Overhead Throw, German Suplex, Drive By Kick, Playmaker, Boot in the Corner, Clothesline. Punk? He's got 50 kicks, that one 4 second submission, the GTS, and the knee/bulldog combo. And if we're lucky, he MIGHT break out that underhook backbreaker. MVP's just got more exciting moves, in my opinion. Basically, all of Punk's moveset consists of a knee/kick combination. I love it when you say basic wrestling moves are unique and crap. Every wrestler can do a body slam, kicks, clotheslines, suplex's, etc. You call THAT wrestling? I mean come on, thats such B.S. and you know what. Stop defending MVP in every way possible. Your just like SG and TNA- but at least debating with him he has points and real facts. You base your arguments on opinion.
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Post by mnm213 on Jul 25, 2009 16:26:31 GMT -5
Yeah, the one submission he uses on the ropes... and it lasts a whole of 4 seconds... Look - Ballin Elbow Drop, Overhead Throw, German Suplex, Drive By Kick, Playmaker, Boot in the Corner, Clothesline. Punk? He's got 50 kicks, that one 4 second submission, the GTS, and the knee/bulldog combo. And if we're lucky, he MIGHT break out that underhook backbreaker. MVP's just got more exciting moves, in my opinion. Basically, all of Punk's moveset consists of a knee/kick combination. I love it when you say basic wrestling moves are unique and poop. Every wrestler can do a body slam, kicks, clotheslines, suplex's, etc. You call THAT wrestling? I mean come on, thats such B.S. and you know what. Stop defending MVP in every way possible. Your just like SG and TNA- but at least debating with him he has points and real facts. You base your arguments on opinion. Put it this way... a bodyslam and a suplex are wrestling moves, 50 kicks to the legs and stomach... aren't.
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Post by Joey Cush on Jul 25, 2009 16:27:48 GMT -5
I love it when you say basic wrestling moves are unique and poop. Every wrestler can do a body slam, kicks, clotheslines, suplex's, etc. You call THAT wrestling? I mean come on, thats such B.S. and you know what. Stop defending MVP in every way possible. Your just like SG and TNA- but at least debating with him he has points and real facts. You base your arguments on opinion. Put it this way... a bodyslam and a suplex are wrestling moves, 50 kicks to the legs and stomach... aren't. Thats his move set. Jeez, you obviously know nothing. But I'm done arguing for now. Because you know, I have a life.
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Post by Wato Stan Account on Jul 25, 2009 16:28:05 GMT -5
Punk's submissions alone match MVP's entire moveset. Yeah, the one submission he uses on the ropes... and it lasts a whole of 4 seconds... Look - Ballin Elbow Drop, Overhead Throw, German Suplex, Drive By Kick, Playmaker, Boot in the Corner, Clothesline. Punk? He's got 50 kicks, that one 4 second submission, the GTS, and the knee/bulldog combo. And if we're lucky, he MIGHT break out that underhook backbreaker. MVP's just got more exciting moves, in my opinion. Basically, all of Punk's moveset consists of a knee/kick combination. How about Punk's springboard diving clothesline and tilt-a-whirl backbreaker? None of these moves exist? I mean I've seen Punk do them...a lot....on national television. But these moves aren't used? Sorry a guy has to do grapples holds to entertain you. Don't ever play KOC II or watch Japanese wrestling, you'll hate it. It's not about the moves a guy does, it's when he does them and how he applies them. Sometimes a kick to ribs can be more damaging than a elbow drop. If you understood the amount of force being driven from a lunging foot to someone, you would get this. There's a reason Mirko Cro Cop knocked guys out with his roundhouse kick, it's a powerful strike.
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Post by WFK on Jul 25, 2009 16:29:29 GMT -5
Punk's submissions alone match MVP's entire moveset. Yeah, the one submission he uses on the ropes... and it lasts a whole of 4 seconds... Look - Ballin Elbow Drop, Overhead Throw, German Suplex, Drive By Kick, Playmaker, Boot in the Corner, Clothesline. Punk? He's got 50 kicks, that one 4 second submission, the GTS, and the knee/bulldog combo. And if we're lucky, he MIGHT break out that underhook backbreaker. MVP's just got more exciting moves, in my opinion. Basically, all of Punk's moveset consists of a knee/kick combination. You call an Elbow Drop, a suplex and a clothesline exciting? I like both alot but if I had to pick one it would have to be Punk. He just flat out entertains me more.
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Post by mnm213 on Jul 25, 2009 16:31:57 GMT -5
Yeah, the one submission he uses on the ropes... and it lasts a whole of 4 seconds... Look - Ballin Elbow Drop, Overhead Throw, German Suplex, Drive By Kick, Playmaker, Boot in the Corner, Clothesline. Punk? He's got 50 kicks, that one 4 second submission, the GTS, and the knee/bulldog combo. And if we're lucky, he MIGHT break out that underhook backbreaker. MVP's just got more exciting moves, in my opinion. Basically, all of Punk's moveset consists of a knee/kick combination. How about Punk's springboard diving clothesline and tilt-a-whirl backbreaker? None of these moves exist? I mean I've seen Punk do them...a lot....on national television. But these moves aren't used? Sorry a guy has to do grapples holds to entertain you. Don't ever play KOC II or watch Japanese wrestling, you'll hate it. It's not about the moves a guy does, it's when he does them and how he applies them. Sometimes a kick to ribs can be more damaging than a elbow drop. If you understood the amount of force being driven from a lunging foot to someone, you would get this. There's a reason Mirko Cro Cop knocked guys out with his roundhouse kick, it's a powerful strike. Difference is, most of the wrestling in japan is revolved around this sort of wrestling. This is WWE though, not japan, theres a difference. And yeah, ok you have me with the springboard clothesline, it completely went over my head. And yeah, I'd call the build up to the Ballin' Elbow Drop exciting, I mean the crowd gets pumped for it, so he must be doing something right.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2009 16:33:04 GMT -5
MVP promos in 2007 and 2008 is better than than Punk's whole WWE career.
And I rather watch MVP wrestle.
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Post by Wato Stan Account on Jul 25, 2009 16:51:06 GMT -5
How about Punk's springboard diving clothesline and tilt-a-whirl backbreaker? None of these moves exist? I mean I've seen Punk do them...a lot....on national television. But these moves aren't used? Sorry a guy has to do grapples holds to entertain you. Don't ever play KOC II or watch Japanese wrestling, you'll hate it. It's not about the moves a guy does, it's when he does them and how he applies them. Sometimes a kick to ribs can be more damaging than a elbow drop. If you understood the amount of force being driven from a lunging foot to someone, you would get this. There's a reason Mirko Cro Cop knocked guys out with his roundhouse kick, it's a powerful strike. Difference is, most of the wrestling in japan is revolved around this sort of wrestling. This is WWE though, not japan, theres a difference. And yeah, ok you have me with the springboard clothesline, it completely went over my head. And yeah, I'd call the build up to the Ballin' Elbow Drop exciting, I mean the crowd gets pumped for it, so he must be doing something right. I'll give you that WWE isn't Japan. But that shouldn't hinder one from enjoying an American doing that sort of move set. He's at least trying to do something different for people to enjoy. If Americans won't love a Japanese guy doing these things, why not use someone they will?
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Post by mnm213 on Jul 25, 2009 16:57:14 GMT -5
Difference is, most of the wrestling in japan is revolved around this sort of wrestling. This is WWE though, not japan, theres a difference. And yeah, ok you have me with the springboard clothesline, it completely went over my head. And yeah, I'd call the build up to the Ballin' Elbow Drop exciting, I mean the crowd gets pumped for it, so he must be doing something right. I'll give you that WWE isn't Japan. But that shouldn't hinder one from enjoying an American doing that sort of move set. He's at least trying to do something different for people to enjoy. If Americans won't love a Japanese guy doing these things, why not use someone they will? Actually MVP has a rather puroresu-esque moveset aswell... he took most of his moves from people there. Punk is more of a shoot fighter than anything, who relies on slaps, knees and kicks all the time. To be fair, the guy doesn't have enough well... wrestling moves, to get me behind him. Not that I particularly like him anyways... his promos are bland, boring and dragged out. And before somebody posts an ROH promo to me, I don't care about that. His voice is unconvincing really. It's kinda like Jeff Hardy... he tries to be serious but it comes across as bad. Plus, he doesn't really have all that much charisma either. I seen it all from him, his best match was the one against Rey at Armaggedon.
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Post by marino13 on Jul 25, 2009 17:09:03 GMT -5
What is going on... MORE debating? Huh, No one seems to be trusting you!
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Post by Mizz Lola on Jul 25, 2009 18:52:16 GMT -5
JSYN you cannot possibly be that inane....I think you actually need to watch a CM Punk match unless you are too busy examining his physical attributes I don't think you watch him wrestle....because he surely has a larger moveset than MVP...
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Post by Mark on Jul 25, 2009 18:54:10 GMT -5
neither guys are that exciting to watch
PuNK just looks like he goes thru the motions, his striking could be ore believable
MVP i cant remember a match where i saw charisma out his arse
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Post by FACELESS on Jul 25, 2009 20:16:30 GMT -5
I like them both, but I fast forward MVP over Punk anyday. That Means Punk.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2009 20:53:32 GMT -5
Punks promo on Smackdown ALONE is better then MVP's promo.
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