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Post by slappy on Jul 29, 2009 20:49:18 GMT -5
I honestly don't get why it offends so many people.
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Post by Yeezy's Mullet: Team X Blades on Jul 29, 2009 20:56:17 GMT -5
I hate when people speak in other languages in public, most of the time their loud and obnoxious and if you say anything to them about it, they'll just insult you in their language so you can't defend yourself. If you do say anything, it's pretty obvious nothing good will come out of it, so why bother? You're only starting trouble. They won't start speaking in English because you said something, especially if it's in a condescending/rude manner. Just because someone is in this country doesn't mean we should strip them of their language. They probably communicate better and more comfortably in their own language anyway. I agree.
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Post by ebilbryan™ on Jul 29, 2009 21:18:49 GMT -5
I hate when people speak in other languages in public, most of the time their loud and obnoxious and if you say anything to them about it, they'll just insult you in their language so you can't defend yourself. If you do say anything, it's pretty obvious nothing good will come out of it, so why bother? You're only starting trouble. They won't start speaking in English because you said something, especially if it's in a condescending/rude manner. Just because someone is in this country doesn't mean we should strip them of their language. They probably communicate better and more comfortably in their own language anyway. Half the time it doesn't have to be in a rude manner. If their asked just to quiet down, you're automatically asking for it.
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Post by Thunder on Jul 29, 2009 21:24:31 GMT -5
If you do say anything, it's pretty obvious nothing good will come out of it, so why bother? You're only starting trouble. They won't start speaking in English because you said something, especially if it's in a condescending/rude manner. Just because someone is in this country doesn't mean we should strip them of their language. They probably communicate better and more comfortably in their own language anyway. Half the time it doesn't have to be in a rude manner. If their asked just to quiet down, you're automatically asking for it. "Quiet down" is something that could apply to anyone who is speaking loudly. But is there really a non-rude way to request someone change the language they are speaking to someone else because YOU don't like it? Again I ask: If you're in France speaking English to a friend and someone says (in French) "If you're in France you better speak French" how would you react?
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Post by Yeezy's Mullet: Team X Blades on Jul 29, 2009 21:24:48 GMT -5
I believe that the fact that anyone on the planet can come to this country and freely practice and enjoy some of the perks of their own nationality is what makes this country so great.
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Post by ebilbryan™ on Jul 29, 2009 21:26:06 GMT -5
Half the time it doesn't have to be in a rude manner. If their asked just to quiet down, you're automatically asking for it. "Quiet down" is something that could apply to anyone who is speaking loudly. But is there really a non-rude way to request someone change the language they are speaking to someone else because YOU don't like it? Again I ask: If you're in France speaking English to a friend and someone says (in French) "If you're in France you better speak French" how would you react? I would learn French in advance because it's widely known how they act towards Americans.
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Post by Thunder on Jul 29, 2009 21:28:19 GMT -5
"Quiet down" is something that could apply to anyone who is speaking loudly. But is there really a non-rude way to request someone change the language they are speaking to someone else because YOU don't like it? Again I ask: If you're in France speaking English to a friend and someone says (in French) "If you're in France you better speak French" how would you react? I would learn French in advance because it's widely known how they act towards Americans. Maybe France wasn't the best country to use as an example, but the fact is that a rude statement like that is going to illicit a rude response. That's pretty much the way it works when anybody says anything rude.
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Post by ebilbryan™ on Jul 29, 2009 21:30:10 GMT -5
I would learn French in advance because it's widely known how they act towards Americans. Maybe France wasn't the best country to use as an example, but the fact is that a rude statement like that is going to illicit a rude response. That's pretty much the way it works when anybody says anything rude. I suppose so, but when in a foreign country, it is best to learn and speak their language so you don't come off as ignorant.
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Post by extreme on Jul 29, 2009 21:30:23 GMT -5
I believe freedom of speech shouldn't have too tight of boundaries. However, at the same time, people should know when it is an appropriate time to say something.
Did I just contradict myself?
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Post by Thunder on Jul 29, 2009 21:35:23 GMT -5
Maybe France wasn't the best country to use as an example, but the fact is that a rude statement like that is going to illicit a rude response. That's pretty much the way it works when anybody says anything rude. I suppose so, but when in a foreign country, it is best to learn and speak their language so you don't come off as ignorant. Like I said before, they probably do know how to speak English, especially since in the story posted the woman answered in English. But if they're only speaking with a friend, what's the harm in speaking in their native tongue, the language they know best and are most comfortable with? I just don't get how this kind of thing angers people so much.
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Post by ebilbryan™ on Jul 29, 2009 21:49:33 GMT -5
I suppose so, but when in a foreign country, it is best to learn and speak their language so you don't come off as ignorant. Like I said before, they probably do know how to speak English, especially since in the story posted the woman answered in English. But if they're only speaking with a friend, what's the harm in speaking in their native tongue, the language they know best and are most comfortable with? I just don't get how this kind of thing angers people so much. ask the french
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Post by Kurt Burton: Script Doctor! on Jul 30, 2009 10:29:03 GMT -5
Like I said before, they probably do know how to speak English, especially since in the story posted the woman answered in English. But if they're only speaking with a friend, what's the harm in speaking in their native tongue, the language they know best and are most comfortable with? I just don't get how this kind of thing angers people so much. ask the french I think he was asking you, as you seem to get offended by it. And freedom of speech applies to the content of speech, not the method(language). If I say mother er on tv, but say it in Spanish, same thing happens as if I said it in English. Personally, I think TV should not be censored, but technically it isn't. The FCC cannot enforce the fines through legal means, its just if you don't pay up the license to broadcast may not be renewed, or it could be revoked. But no one can go to jail for what they say. I think that freedom of speech is great, even though it gives ignorant bigots and morons the right to say stupid and hurtful stuff as well.
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Post by King Shocker the Monumentous on Jul 30, 2009 10:49:20 GMT -5
Half the time it doesn't have to be in a rude manner. If their asked just to quiet down, you're automatically asking for it. "Quiet down" is something that could apply to anyone who is speaking loudly. But is there really a non-rude way to request someone change the language they are speaking to someone else because YOU don't like it? Again I ask: If you're in France speaking English to a friend and someone says (in French) "If you're in France you better speak French" how would you react? "Nique ta mere."
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Post by Mike Giggs' Munchies on Jul 30, 2009 11:24:03 GMT -5
"Quiet down" is something that could apply to anyone who is speaking loudly. But is there really a non-rude way to request someone change the language they are speaking to someone else because YOU don't like it? Again I ask: If you're in France speaking English to a friend and someone says (in French) "If you're in France you better speak French" how would you react? "Nique ta mere." Tu madre es una puta
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Post by T R W on Jul 30, 2009 11:28:25 GMT -5
To play devil's advocate...let's test the "be able to say anything you want at anytime" statement...
Should you be able to yell fire in a crowded theatre? Should you be able to use racial slurs towards anyone, including children? Should you be allowed to say you want to kill someone? What about the President? Should you be able to lie under oath? Should you be able to use the F-bomb on national televison at 10AM on a Saturday? Should you be allowed to say sexually degrading things to the opposite, or even same gender? What about at work?
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Post by Mike Giggs' Munchies on Jul 30, 2009 11:42:59 GMT -5
Should you be able to use the F-bomb on national televison at 10AM on a Saturday? Yes. They probably wouldn't though. No to the others.
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Post by King Shocker the Monumentous on Jul 30, 2009 11:57:13 GMT -5
Which does a whole hell of a lot of good in France.
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Post by sean™ on Jul 30, 2009 12:02:42 GMT -5
Freedom of Speech only exists in places that don't self regulate.
Entertainment (TV, Movies, Music), Written Press (Newspapers, Magazines), and the General Public all have regulators that uphold specific standards that have been "agreed upon" by the masses. Once those regulators come into play, Freedom of anything is out the window.
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Post by k5 on Jul 30, 2009 12:09:29 GMT -5
i think you should be able to say whatever you wish as long as it does not defile another person.
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Post by King Shocker the Monumentous on Jul 30, 2009 12:33:49 GMT -5
Freedom of Speech only exists in places that don't self regulate. Entertainment (TV, Movies, Music), Written Press (Newspapers, Magazines), and the General Public all have regulators that uphold specific standards that have been "agreed upon" by the masses. Once those regulators come into play, Freedom of anything is out the window. Don't forget schools. Any and all constitutional rights are null and void when you enter an educational establishment.
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