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Post by Mike Giggs' Munchies on May 6, 2010 13:22:09 GMT -5
I hate how you guys don't have PR. In polls Lib Dems and Labour are tied and yet Labour gets a ton of seats and the Lib Dems are dumped on. That's ed up. I'm hoping though that Clegg or Brown win. PR sucks. While our system gives disproportionate weight to the biggest party, PR gives it to smaller parties, which is even more outrageously unfair...
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Post by Mike Giggs' Munchies on May 6, 2010 13:24:37 GMT -5
Had a school election today Same I voted Libs, I'm a Labour guy but our Lib candidate was a bloke from Estonia who can barely speak Englsih, he had a speech and was like [Borat voice] "What are these Quangos? I do not know, and neither do you, so I shall get rid of them! ;D"[/Borat voice]
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Post by DontHassleTheHoff on May 6, 2010 13:44:00 GMT -5
I hate how you guys don't have PR. In polls Lib Dems and Labour are tied and yet Labour gets a ton of seats and the Lib Dems are dumped on. That's ed up. I'm hoping though that Clegg or Brown win. I absolutly agree with you about PR, First past the post is a terrible system to use I think the best out come we could get (realisticaly) would be a Liberal Labour coalition, but Clegg has said previously he would not want to form a government with Brown/Darling- So as LFC fan said they would have to remove them, preferably for someone like Milliband, who has abit more of a fresher face and charisma (Who else could it be? You dont want Harman, Mandelson or Balls as leader....) An outright conservative govt im very wiery of, Cameron is a terrible leader, he seems very untrusty and the cuts they are proposing are far to quick, you cant just remove so much from the economy in one swift move without causing problems elsewhere. They will cause problems with our relationship with the EU, have some very loose and empty policies that they seem unable to explain. A cap on immigration is also nonsense, if you need a doctor halfway through the year but youve reached the cap, do you just let the people in need die? There are so many flaws in their policies, they seem very ill thought out. I love how David Cameron once claimed efficiency savings were useless...now its their main policy. The man is just not to be trusted. Im now split on the medias involvement with the election, turnout will show if its increased involvement or not, if it does then thats all well and good. But it becomes more about personality rather than policy, people are so quick to count out Brown, yet when he does criticise other policies, he often makes valid points that then go ignored- Its no wonder he seems frustrated and "tired", that being said, he was certainly a better chancellor than PM. Sadly though, im 17 :/ However i would have voted Lib Dem.
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Post by DontHassleTheHoff on May 6, 2010 13:46:59 GMT -5
I hate how you guys don't have PR. In polls Lib Dems and Labour are tied and yet Labour gets a ton of seats and the Lib Dems are dumped on. That's ed up. I'm hoping though that Clegg or Brown win. PR sucks. While our system gives disproportionate weight to the biggest party, PR gives it to smaller parties, which is even more outrageously unfair... How so? If those smaller parties have enough support to earn a seat, the views of its members and voters should clearly be represented in the Commons.
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Post by dmallett4 on May 6, 2010 14:13:18 GMT -5
voted lib dem. not sure on their policies concerning defence and europe, but they seem the best of the bunch at the minute.
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Post by DontHassleTheHoff on May 6, 2010 14:30:33 GMT -5
voted lib dem. not sure on their policies concerning defence and europe, but they seem the best of the bunch at the minute. Defence- Not to different to the way things are, however will look into cheaper alternatives to Trident Europe- Probably the most pro EU of the bunch, want us to get abit more stuck in with europe and with the right economic timing would give a referendum on the Euro
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Post by dimshady on May 6, 2010 14:36:00 GMT -5
i cast my vote. our village hall chuffing stinks tho.
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Post by Mike Giggs' Munchies on May 6, 2010 15:34:06 GMT -5
PR sucks. While our system gives disproportionate weight to the biggest party, PR gives it to smaller parties, which is even more outrageously unfair... How so? If those smaller parties have enough support to earn a seat, the views of its members and voters should clearly be represented in the Commons. And they are represented, if they do earn a seat... What is worse, more power to the biggest party or more power to the smallest one? C4 coverage was funny untill Come Dine With Me.
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Post by DontHassleTheHoff on May 6, 2010 15:56:38 GMT -5
How so? If those smaller parties have enough support to earn a seat, the views of its members and voters should clearly be represented in the Commons. And they are represented, if they do earn a seat... What is worse, more power to the biggest party or more power to the smallest one? C4 coverage was funny untill Come Dine With Me. I would say that a party gaining a majority of seats on 30% of the vote is much, much worse. While small partys like the BNP, Greens. English Democrats, Ukip etc can all be criticised for thier beliefs and narrow policies, if they have earned the votes, then in a fair democracy those people shouldnt be ignored- Its not like the BNP will gain 2 seats and suddenly we will ban immigration. But having a party rule over the commons when a majority of the people disagree that they should- thats a massive problem
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Post by Mike Giggs' Munchies on May 6, 2010 16:29:31 GMT -5
I think that the worst problem would be if we had a coalition where 2 parties had around 45% but one got in power because they had the support of a party with 6% of the votre on their side. The party with 6% would be kingmakers and could make demands and hold power that is worth much more than their 6%. That would mean that a party with a tiny amount of votes would be given power much bigger than that the public wished to invest in them. Thats not as bad as a party that has 45% of the votes getting more than half of the power, because at least then the party with the power has been given a big share of the vote.
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Post by DontHassleTheHoff on May 6, 2010 16:46:29 GMT -5
I think that the worst problem would be if we had a coalition where 2 parties had around 45% but one got in power because they had the support of a party with 6% of the votre on their side. The party with 6% would be kingmakers and could make demands and hold power that is worth much more than their 6%. That would mean that a party with a tiny amount of votes would be given power much bigger than that the public wished to invest in them. Thats not as bad as a party that has 45% of the votes getting more than half of the power, because at least then the party with the power has been given a big share of the vote. In that situation, if a coalition was formed with a governing party with 6% they would be pretty much submissive Plus it depends on the proportional system used, also this is still a possibility in FPTP
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Post by Lemmy on May 6, 2010 17:02:31 GMT -5
Ironic how people who vote BNP are proud of winning WW2 yet if BNP were to get to power, we'd become a government that we fought to stop just 70 years ago.
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Post by The L.F.C Fan on May 6, 2010 17:16:16 GMT -5
Yeah Johnson, Balls or Milliband as next leader :-P
1-0-0 Labour atm but exit poll suggets Conservative getting most seats but not a majority to form a government
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Post by Lego Customs! on May 6, 2010 17:28:39 GMT -5
Love how the BNP guy got booed by everyone there
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Post by Lemmy on May 6, 2010 17:40:35 GMT -5
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Post by Jord on May 6, 2010 17:46:19 GMT -5
Can someone explain all this winning seats in different constituencies? I thought whoever won the General Election ran every constituency?
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Post by Lemmy on May 6, 2010 17:53:05 GMT -5
Can someone explain all this winning seats in different constituencies? I thought whoever won the General Election ran every constituency? Each party has a representative in an area. Britain is split up into around 500 of these different areas (I think?). The party that gets the majority of the seats in the area gets to power, unless the votes are dramatically close, like each major party getting around 30% of the votes each. That would result in a hung parlement, where the parties can work together if they choose to. However, Clegg has said he won't worth with Brown if this happens.
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Post by 51 on May 6, 2010 17:56:38 GMT -5
DId he say to the asain kids at the start of the video "how many of you are robbers" or am I hearing things?
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Post by GBGav on May 6, 2010 17:57:27 GMT -5
I'm checking the updates on Yahoo for regional results and only Sunderland and two surrounding areas have declared so far. All 3 went for Labour. Gee, I wonder if it's got anything to do with the colour red?
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Post by Lego Customs! on May 6, 2010 17:58:35 GMT -5
Wow I'm surprised that hasn't been covered on the news
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