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Post by No Brokeback on Jan 23, 2011 1:57:20 GMT -5
Vince Russo, it's arguments like this that bring this forum down into the crapper that it's in
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Post by SodaGuy on Jan 23, 2011 4:55:12 GMT -5
Vince Russo, it's arguments like this that bring this forum down into the crapper that it's in Wait, what? I don't see why you're just pin-pointing me out when I'm not the only one in this thread.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2011 5:48:23 GMT -5
How in the world are they trying to make Mr. Anderson into Stevie Austin? This makes zero sense at all. They're nothing alike nor are TNA trying to make them anything like, the only thing that is the same is the fact that they both had/have a camo hat... that's about it. How in the world are they trying to make the renegade into the ultimate warrior? This makes zero sense at all. They're nothing alike nor are wcw trying to make them anything like,the only thing that is the same is the fact that they both shake the ropes... that's about it Also anderson has admitted that he only got into wrestling because of austin and he is doing an impression of him and he'd rather be an actor than a wrestler.
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Post by No Brokeback on Jan 23, 2011 5:54:55 GMT -5
Vince Russo, it's arguments like this that bring this forum down into the crapper that it's in Wait, what? I don't see why you're just pin-pointing me out when I'm not the only one in this thread. Your name is 'Vince Russo"...so it had to be done. No other reasons other than your name was fitting. I agree with most of what you've said anyway
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Post by 1992 on Jan 23, 2011 6:04:04 GMT -5
Vince Russo, it's arguments like this that bring this forum down into the crapper that it's in And, I promise everybody, or else I go in the G*d damn grave, you will never see that piece of sh*t No Comment again! amirite?
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Post by No Brokeback on Jan 23, 2011 6:20:34 GMT -5
Vince Russo, it's arguments like this that bring this forum down into the crapper that it's in And, I promise everybody, or else I go in the G*d damn grave, you will never see that piece of sh*t No Comment again! amirite? Fear NOT! JIMMY KING IS HERE! And he challenges Superfan to a Triple Cage MATCH!
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Post by TheXtremisT on Jan 23, 2011 6:21:36 GMT -5
So if someone supports TNA they are logical and their stance is sound. You TNA people are unbelieveable. Before Turner Broadcasting went to sell out, Vince Russo, Eric Bischoff and whoever you want to name used extreme amounts of money for WCW and they ran WCW to its death. Did you guys read the quotes and books from all the former WCW people (Hogan, Flair, Bischoff, Hart,etc.) They said the place was poorly run. They had the money, they just didn't know anything about wrestling. And TNA is going down the same road. I personally liked TNA pre Hogan. It was different and it really had more wrestling than WWE. But here comes Bischoff and Hogan and down the tubes goes TNA. Some people don't want to hear the truth and it seems like this is the case for TNA fans. Honestly who in TNA is better than WWE top talent. Is Jay lethal and Kaz better than Rey Mysterio? Is Ken Anderson better than Edge??? Lets debate these things. But for some of you its to hard for you because all you want to do is say people don't know what they are talking about and such. TNA vs. WWE whos better??? Ratings say WWE,. Attendance, sales say WWE. TNA fans put it on the table and stick up for TNA...if theres anything to really stick up for At least those people are coming up with valid arguments All you're doing is stating your opinion without concrete evidence For people to take you seriously you have to develop your arguments instead of incessantly stating TNA IS LIKE WCW 2000 BECAUSE IT HAS BISCHOFF AND HOGAN AND FLAIR AND JARRETT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2011 8:28:51 GMT -5
- wcw did not fail because of lack of market interest, they failed because of the .com crash and the change of power in turner broadcasting (turner lost control, other corporate interests did not want to partake in ANY wrestling product). That is the biggest lie Bischoff has convinced people as being the truth. When WCW was acquired as part of the AOL/ Time Warner deal, WCW lost 60 million in the previous year. It was no longer a viable company. If it was the hot product making millions like in years past, it wouldn't have been sold. I forgot to mention the whole 10-10-10 angle on Bound For Glory. The whole Hardy swerve took place at the same arena that Hogan turned heel in forming the NWO 14 years prior. This was TNA's Bash At The Beach. Hardy was their Hogan and Immortal is their NWO. This is the crap TNA needs to avoid.
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Post by mase307 on Jan 23, 2011 9:28:45 GMT -5
"At least those people are coming up with valid arguments All you're doing is stating your opinion without concrete evidence For people to take you seriously you have to develop your arguments instead of incessantly stating TNA IS LIKE WCW 2000 BECAUSE IT HAS BISCHOFF AND HOGAN AND FLAIR AND JARRETT "
You TNA guys are ridiculous. What concret evidence has been presented from the TNA side. That ratings don't always equal good wrestling?? Pop culture's arguments pointed out all the ways that WCW and TNA are just alike. What concrete evidence do you want me to give. Lets see, WWE gets higher ratings, earns more money, is more popular, has bigger audiences at house shows, is better know by the average person let alone wrestling fans, and is a better product. You know how many people I know who aren't wrestling fans sit down and watch raw and impact and tell me that impact is terrible. You TNA guys have no facts. You coming in with WCw lost money and blah blah blah. You guys don't know anything about the money situation. The proof is in the pudding. Watch TNA today and go back and watch WCW late 90's and early 2000's and they are the same. Now sit down and think really really hard..who's running the shows. Hogan and Bischoff/Russo are running it and were running it back than. They say they run TNA in real life and we are to not believe them and thing they aren't running TNA??? Some of you are the same people who were probably in denieal back when WCW was collapsing and are in denial right now because TNA is collapsing. I want TNA to succeed because I like watching wrestling, but I cant sit and watch Impact because its just terrible. I hope you TNA fans have your DVRS working because at this rate TNA won't be around much longer. And by the way this Message Board is all about opinions, you have yours and I have mine. No one here has inside facts allwe have is what we watch on TV and interviews the wrestlers give.
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Post by SodaGuy on Jan 23, 2011 9:45:21 GMT -5
"At least those people are coming up with valid arguments All you're doing is stating your opinion without concrete evidence For people to take you seriously you have to develop your arguments instead of incessantly stating TNA IS LIKE WCW 2000 BECAUSE IT HAS BISCHOFF AND HOGAN AND FLAIR AND JARRETT " You TNA guys are ridiculous. What concret evidence has been presented from the TNA side. That ratings don't always equal good wrestling?? Pop culture's arguments pointed out all the ways that WCW and TNA are just alike. What concrete evidence do you want me to give. Lets see, WWE gets higher ratings, earns more money, is more popular, has bigger audiences at house shows, is better know by the average person let alone wrestling fans, and is a better product. You know how many people I know who aren't wrestling fans sit down and watch raw and impact and tell me that impact is terrible. You TNA guys have no facts. You coming in with WCw lost money and blah blah blah. You guys don't know anything about the money situation. The proof is in the pudding. Watch TNA today and go back and watch WCW late 90's and early 2000's and they are the same. Now sit down and think really really hard..who's running the shows. Hogan and Bischoff/Russo are running it and were running it back than. They say they run TNA in real life and we are to not believe them and thing they aren't running TNA??? Some of you are the same people who were probably in denieal back when WCW was collapsing and are in denial right now because TNA is collapsing. I want TNA to succeed because I like watching wrestling, but I cant sit and watch Impact because its just terrible. I hope you TNA fans have your DVRS working because at this rate TNA won't be around much longer. And by the way this Message Board is all about opinions, you have yours and I have mine. No one here has inside facts allwe have is what we watch on TV and interviews the wrestlers give. I love how you're being a hypocrite now. "TNA won't be around much longer". Really? Where'd your facts on that one? You have none. Jeff Jarrett stated days ago that TNA is making money and is profitable... go figure. TNA isn't going anywhere, get use to it. TNA is making money [from people within the company], is making a killing on the road with house shows [from merchandise and the post-show photos ops]. Get use to TNA being there because it's going to be there for a very long time. You don't like the product? Fine, nobody is going to force you into liking it... but if you hate it so much just stop watching it. You're not going to "make" or "break" TNA by watching the show or ordering a pay-per-view, if you even order them. I find it funny how you're complaining about TNA making money and all this other jazz, but you wanted discount codes for ShopTNA. Have a great... whatever as you have proved that you have very few valid points to back up your claims that TNA is "failing".
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Post by TheXtremisT on Jan 23, 2011 10:45:30 GMT -5
"At least those people are coming up with valid arguments All you're doing is stating your opinion without concrete evidence For people to take you seriously you have to develop your arguments instead of incessantly stating TNA IS LIKE WCW 2000 BECAUSE IT HAS BISCHOFF AND HOGAN AND FLAIR AND JARRETT " You TNA guys are ridiculous. What concret evidence has been presented from the TNA side. That ratings don't always equal good wrestling?? Pop culture's arguments pointed out all the ways that WCW and TNA are just alike. What concrete evidence do you want me to give. Lets see, WWE gets higher ratings, earns more money, is more popular, has bigger audiences at house shows, is better know by the average person let alone wrestling fans, and is a better product. You know how many people I know who aren't wrestling fans sit down and watch raw and impact and tell me that impact is terrible. You TNA guys have no facts. You coming in with WCw lost money and blah blah blah. You guys don't know anything about the money situation. The proof is in the pudding. Watch TNA today and go back and watch WCW late 90's and early 2000's and they are the same. Now sit down and think really really hard..who's running the shows. Hogan and Bischoff/Russo are running it and were running it back than. They say they run TNA in real life and we are to not believe them and thing they aren't running TNA??? Some of you are the same people who were probably in denieal back when WCW was collapsing and are in denial right now because TNA is collapsing. I want TNA to succeed because I like watching wrestling, but I cant sit and watch Impact because its just terrible. I hope you TNA fans have your DVRS working because at this rate TNA won't be around much longer. And by the way this Message Board is all about opinions, you have yours and I have mine. No one here has inside facts allwe have is what we watch on TV and interviews the wrestlers give. Do you know anything about the money situation? I don't know any more than you at this point however you saying TNA is just like WCW 2000 implies you believe TNA is losing money fast. Ermm hypocrite much? The only information we have of how TNA are doing money-wise is from Bishcoff and Jarrett who both say the company is still in profit. I don't know the credibility of this, but I'm inclined to believe them over you since they are running a television programme and YOU are just an average wrestling fan with no access to the company's information.
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Post by mase307 on Jan 23, 2011 10:53:00 GMT -5
Whats so funny, wanted TNA discount code so I can make a custom Jeff Jarrett from his WWF Double J days. Wound up getting the figure at toysrus at clearance for $7 lol. What do you expect Jeff Jarrett to say that the companys losing money??? Are you serious. Why is Hogan and Bischoff taking pay cuts? Are you serious. They are so profitable thats funny. Get use to what, that TNA is terrible. I am a hipocrite thats funny. I started this post because I felt that TNA is taking the wrong path. Maybe you don't read correctly...I WANT TNA TO BE GOOD...because I like wrestling and would love nothing more than the old Monday Night Wars. But the facts are that TNA is bad wrestling right now. TNA needs a new direction and its board members like Vince Russo who support this garbage they have on now instead of demanding improvement that keeps TNA going down the wrong path. If TNA is happy with their product and the TNA fans are, isn't that what the TNA posts are saying, than it will not last long. Spike only took TNA because Hogan was coming with it not because of its "greatwrestling talent". Jakks only took on TNA for its toy products because it lost WWE and was going to lose as a company and felt they can make due with Hogan and sting as a base for their products. Some of you make it sound like the television networks were beating down the door for TNA Impact, this is just not true. What will probably happen is that you will have to access TNA shows solely from the internet.
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Post by mase307 on Jan 23, 2011 10:56:14 GMT -5
"At least those people are coming up with valid arguments All you're doing is stating your opinion without concrete evidence For people to take you seriously you have to develop your arguments instead of incessantly stating TNA IS LIKE WCW 2000 BECAUSE IT HAS BISCHOFF AND HOGAN AND FLAIR AND JARRETT " You TNA guys are ridiculous. What concret evidence has been presented from the TNA side. That ratings don't always equal good wrestling?? Pop culture's arguments pointed out all the ways that WCW and TNA are just alike. What concrete evidence do you want me to give. Lets see, WWE gets higher ratings, earns more money, is more popular, has bigger audiences at house shows, is better know by the average person let alone wrestling fans, and is a better product. You know how many people I know who aren't wrestling fans sit down and watch raw and impact and tell me that impact is terrible. You TNA guys have no facts. You coming in with WCw lost money and blah blah blah. You guys don't know anything about the money situation. The proof is in the pudding. Watch TNA today and go back and watch WCW late 90's and early 2000's and they are the same. Now sit down and think really really hard..who's running the shows. Hogan and Bischoff/Russo are running it and were running it back than. They say they run TNA in real life and we are to not believe them and thing they aren't running TNA??? Some of you are the same people who were probably in denieal back when WCW was collapsing and are in denial right now because TNA is collapsing. I want TNA to succeed because I like watching wrestling, but I cant sit and watch Impact because its just terrible. I hope you TNA fans have your DVRS working because at this rate TNA won't be around much longer. And by the way this Message Board is all about opinions, you have yours and I have mine. No one here has inside facts allwe have is what we watch on TV and interviews the wrestlers give. Do you know anything about the money situation? I don't know any more than you at this point however you saying TNA is just like WCW 2000 implies you believe TNA is losing money fast. Ermm hypocrite much? The only information we have of how TNA are doing money-wise is from Bishcoff and Jarrett who both say the company is still in profit. I don't know the credibility of this, but I'm inclined to believe them over you since they are running a television programme and YOU are just an average wrestling fan with no access to the company's information. Once again if the company is still in profit than why are Bishcoff and Hogan taking pay cuts??? If it was so profitable they wouldn't be doing that.
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Post by SodaGuy on Jan 23, 2011 11:02:40 GMT -5
Do you know anything about the money situation? I don't know any more than you at this point however you saying TNA is just like WCW 2000 implies you believe TNA is losing money fast. Ermm hypocrite much? The only information we have of how TNA are doing money-wise is from Bishcoff and Jarrett who both say the company is still in profit. I don't know the credibility of this, but I'm inclined to believe them over you since they are running a television programme and YOU are just an average wrestling fan with no access to the company's information. Once again if the company is still in profit than why are Bishcoff and Hogan taking pay cuts??? If it was so profitable they wouldn't be doing that. And what fact do you have they took pay cuts? Exactly, you don't. There are dozens of others reason including the obvious one: Hulk Hogan took a pay cut as he isn't going to be able to hold up his end of the deal as much due to his back surgeries. Hogan has already missed a crap-load of television and pay-per-views due to it. Bischoff also seems to have been removed from creative from what he has said in interviews, plus the fact ReAction is gone are all very logical reasons for a paycut. AJ Styles didn't take a pay cut, Kurt Angle didn't take a pay cut, etc.... just the two guys that have slacked on their duties. Go figure. This is why nobody [for the most part] is taking your opinion seriously, because you're very hypocritical. We can't comment on money for WCW because we have no "facts"... yet you have zero facts they took a pay cut and have someone IN TNA telling you that they're profitable... and you're calling him a liar. Where are your facts they aren't profitable? That's right, you don't have them... you have zero facts to back up that argument... Jeff Jarrett is in the company, seen the numbers, been in the meetings, you haven't. When it comes down to who has more facts... you come in dead last.
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Post by SodaGuy on Jan 23, 2011 11:08:08 GMT -5
Whats so funny, wanted TNA discount code so I can make a custom Jeff Jarrett from his WWF Double J days. Wound up getting the figure at toysrus at clearance for $7 lol. What do you expect Jeff Jarrett to say that the companys losing money??? Are you serious. Why is Hogan and Bischoff taking pay cuts? Are you serious. They are so profitable thats funny. Get use to what, that TNA is terrible. I am a hipocrite thats funny. I started this post because I felt that TNA is taking the wrong path. Maybe you don't read correctly...I WANT TNA TO BE GOOD...because I like wrestling and would love nothing more than the old Monday Night Wars. But the facts are that TNA is bad wrestling right now. TNA needs a new direction and its board members like Vince Russo who support this garbage they have on now instead of demanding improvement that keeps TNA going down the wrong path. If TNA is happy with their product and the TNA fans are, isn't that what the TNA posts are saying, than it will not last long. Spike only took TNA because Hogan was coming with it not because of its "greatwrestling talent". Jakks only took on TNA for its toy products because it lost WWE and was going to lose as a company and felt they can make due with Hogan and sting as a base for their products. Some of you make it sound like the television networks were beating down the door for TNA Impact, this is just not true. What will probably happen is that you will have to access TNA shows solely from the internet. The bold part... just proves that you have no idea what in Gods name you are talking about for the most part. If you're going to come on here and toss your opinion around, why don't you get the Facts right, since you love them so much. Hulk Hogan wasn't anywhere near signing with TNA Wrestling when SpikeTV and TNA Wrestling signed their deal. TNA debuted on SpikeTV in October... of 2005 long before Hulk Hogan was in TNA, long before talks began. TNA and SpikeTV resigned a three year deal in 2009... almost 25 days before Hulk Hogan signed. SpikeTV and TNA coming to a deal had nothing at all to do with Hulk Hogan... because unless TNA and SpikeTV are Ms. Cleo... they had no idea Hogan would be joining TNA. Nice try, but epic fail.
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Post by mase307 on Jan 23, 2011 11:15:12 GMT -5
The only thing not being taken seriously in TNA... and thats the bottom line. TNA has to give tickets away for people to attend Impact and trust me I know that for a fact. If you give AJ Styles and Kurt Angle pay cuts than you won't have any wrestling??? Why you think they have wrestlers signing deals that are paying them for appearances??? and thats from actual wrestlers from TNA. I do have facts, there is little interest in TNA. Why do you think last year they cancelled serveral house shows? There was not enough interest. You guys keep talking about proof and evidence. What evidance says that TNA is making it. They got booted out of Monday Night Time Slot, they have to tape their impact shows for the month in one week, they have wrestling shows in 4000 seat auditoriums (had one in my area 2 weeks ago), had Reaction cancelled on them. Thats factual evidence that slowly but surely is pointing to the demise of TNA. It's time for a change in TNA
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Post by SodaGuy on Jan 23, 2011 11:22:01 GMT -5
The only thing not being taken seriously in TNA... and thats the bottom line. TNA has to give tickets away for people to attend Impact and trust me I know that for a fact. If you give AJ Styles and Kurt Angle pay cuts than you won't have any wrestling??? Why you think they have wrestlers signing deals that are paying them for appearances??? and thats from actual wrestlers from TNA. I do have facts, there is little interest in TNA. Why do you think last year they cancelled serveral house shows? There was not enough interest. You guys keep talking about proof and evidence. What evidance says that TNA is making it. They got booted out of Monday Night Time Slot, they have to tape their impact shows for the month in one week, they have wrestling shows in 4000 seat auditoriums (had one in my area 2 weeks ago), had Reaction cancelled on them. Thats factual evidence that slowly but surely is pointing to the demise of TNA. It's time for a change in TNA Oh this will be fun... 1.) They also have talents under pay-per-month deals including [but not limited to]: AJ Styles, Kurt Angle, Samoa Joe, Sting, Hulk Hogan, etc. The pay-per-apperance deals also keep them on the up and up by calling their talent "independent contractors" as apposed to "other companies" who just refer to their talent as that despite it no being true. It helps with the legally, but also avoids having to pay talent when not in use which is a smart business decision. 2.) Wow, the canceled house shows... oh no! Yes, wrestling shows [or any kind of shows] will get canceled. WWE has done it in the past and they'll do it in the future. 3.) Uh, no they do not... TNA tapes every two weeks [Monday and Tuesday] for a totally of four days a month. The only times they do a months worth of tapings in one week is a.) to give their talent two weeks off for the holidays or b.) when they have an overseas tour much like now. It's no different than other companies taping an extra week of shows when they go overseas. 4.) ReAction wasn't canceled on them... ReAction was never set to run the entire length, that was known to everyone from the start of things. It was signed for ten episodes and then picked up for another ten to close it off nicely instead of just stopping in the middle of the year. You have provided no facts other than what you found on "da interwebz" instead of following your own advice... and listening to the talent. Again... you're a hypocrite and a flip-flopper. EDIT: Also, TNA doesn't "give away" tickets to iMPACT... that's not a fact because if you knew the REAL FACTS. TNA isn't allowed by Universeal Studios to sell tickets to the events [they found a loophole as I explain in a minute], because it's inside a park that people have already paid for. You don't get charged when you ride the Twister ride, why? You already paid to get it. TNA has loop-holed this by offering $100 VIP specials that gets you into the pay-per-view and both iMPACT tapings along with some other goodies. Those my friend, are the actual facts... they don't "give" away free tickets to iMPACT, they aren't allowed to sell tickets to the show besides the new loophole. Nice true, but again... nope.
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Post by mase307 on Jan 23, 2011 11:28:14 GMT -5
As I noted yesterday TNA has extended their deal with Spike TV. The press release notes that there are several specials as part of the contract:
“The deal, which begins October 1, 2009, includes three new years of TNA’s weekly “iMPACT!” show as well as the addition of a new original series of one-hour specials. Each special (title TBD) will feature the biggest personalities and highlight some the greatest and awe-inspiring bouts in the history of TNA, many of them never before seen on basic cable. TNA Entertainment will produce 10 one-hour installments.”
This is the actual press release from TNA back in October 2009 when they renewed their contract with TNA. They only renewed because Hogan Announced before that he was coming to TNA.
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Post by SodaGuy on Jan 23, 2011 11:31:24 GMT -5
As I noted yesterday TNA has extended their deal with Spike TV. The press release notes that there are several specials as part of the contract: “The deal, which begins October 1, 2009, includes three new years of TNA’s weekly “iMPACT!” show as well as the addition of a new original series of one-hour specials. Each special (title TBD) will feature the biggest personalities and highlight some the greatest and awe-inspiring bouts in the history of TNA, many of them never before seen on basic cable. TNA Entertainment will produce 10 one-hour installments.” This is the actual press release from TNA back in October 2009 when they renewed their contract with TNA. They only renewed because Hogan Announced before that he was coming to TNA. Ahahahahaha! Oh my god... I'm about to bust a gut laughing at this. You are totally wrong... The resigning of SpikeTV and TNA was announced in August of 2009 to take effect on October 1st, 2009. Hulk Hogan wasn't signed until October 27th... 2009. You're wrong... again.
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Post by mase307 on Jan 23, 2011 11:32:46 GMT -5
Thats giving away tickets. You are paying to go to universal not for impact. No one is sitting there and saying "Lets go pay 99 dollars to go to impact tonight". They cant have a impact show and charge because no one would go. Why do you think people complain that TNA impact crowds tend to be bland.
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