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Post by PenguinDeluxe on Mar 20, 2011 15:16:24 GMT -5
Well this was a pointless thread, seeing as how they've screwed up a 2nd Wrestlemania 6 Warrior. No perfect MOC version for us Warrior fans. You do realize this thread was from a few weeks ago before they reshowed the figure, yes? And mikey, I like the winged eagle, but my favorite is the classic IC belt I would say. I bought a Mr. Perfect just for the belt, and I don't even collect Legends figures haha
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Post by maske2g on Mar 20, 2011 15:18:28 GMT -5
Well this was a pointless thread, seeing as how they've screwed up a 2nd Wrestlemania 6 Warrior. No perfect MOC version for us Warrior fans. You do realize this thread was from a few weeks ago before they reshowed the figure, yes? And mikey, I like the winged eagle, but my favorite is the classic IC belt I would say. I bought a Mr. Perfect just for the belt, and I don't even collect Legends figures haha Well seeing as how I created it yes..... My point is, they could care a less what the fans want sometimes.
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Post by PenguinDeluxe on Mar 20, 2011 15:21:22 GMT -5
You do realize this thread was from a few weeks ago before they reshowed the figure, yes? And mikey, I like the winged eagle, but my favorite is the classic IC belt I would say. I bought a Mr. Perfect just for the belt, and I don't even collect Legends figures haha Well seeing as how I created it yes..... My point is, they could care a less what the fans want sometimes. In all fairness, they did say it was the exact same figures they had from Toy Fair, same case and everything, nothing changed, so even if they did change it, what was shown yesterday or day before would not be indicative of the current product they are planning on releasing (if they changed it of course)
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Post by maske2g on Mar 20, 2011 15:24:30 GMT -5
Yes, but in another thread, Bill from Mattel told someone in person that the belt would not change.
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Post by PenguinDeluxe on Mar 20, 2011 15:26:39 GMT -5
Yes, but in another thread, Bill from Mattel told someone in person that the belt would not change. Ah. Well, that's just dumb then
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Post by squaredcircleactionfigs on Mar 20, 2011 15:33:22 GMT -5
Here is the reason the belt is yellow. It was posted by Bill in another thread. The Warrior's belt was a design choice on my part. I know the belt he won had the black strap that night but one of the hallmarks of Warrior's title run was the different color belt straps, which is what I wanted to celebrate so to speak. Later figs who held that style belt will have a black strap. I have been vehemently against this decision and design idea. Here is why. First, it is not accurate. A pre-match version of the Ultimate Warrior held a yellow strap INTERCONTINENTAL title. Even if you wanted to include a Winged title belt (which is acceptable) you should have made it black. As a result of the yellow strap winged title belt, my MOC collection will have a gaping hole because I may not purchase the figure (highly unlikely). Or, I conform to the notion a designer made this choice for me and I have to look at another ALMOST (stressing almost) flawless Wrestlemania VI Ultimate Warrior figure with disappointment. Second, as a MOC collector it is unlikely I will ever own an accurate Wrestlemania VI pre-match Ultimate Warrior figure w/ the yellow strap Intercontinental title. Unless, Mattel produces a two pack w/ Hogan (like Jakks did), contingent upon Hogan leaving TNA and signing a Legends contract, or Mattel produces a post match Ultimate Warrior w/ both accurate titles (again not a pre-match Ultimate Warrior). Either way, my collection is incomplete. I am pro creative liberties but not when these decisions start to impact the integrity of my personal MOC collection. In my opinion, Mattel should be conscience of these decisions and at the very least provide the consumer with an option. For example, using a variant system where some Warrior figures have black strap belts and others have yellow strap belts is a good solution. Mattel could even do yellow strap IC titles with yellow strap Winged title variants. I may be harsh and old fashioned but this area is a huge pet peeve of mine.
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Post by johnnypoopypants on Mar 20, 2011 15:41:49 GMT -5
I'm not a Warrior fan and I probably wouldn't get this figure either way but...
If you're going to give the strap a color at least make it one he actually wore.
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Post by maske2g on Mar 20, 2011 15:47:46 GMT -5
I may be harsh and old fashioned but this area is a huge pet peeve of mine. I couldn't agree with you more. I find collecting fun, I'm a serious collector. I don't find messing around with History to give some "fun" to the belt fun. If you want to release a "fun world title belt" do it with one with some historical relevance, or on a figure that no one gives a crap about, rather than on one of the most iconic incidents in wrestling history.
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Post by jfinnomore on Mar 20, 2011 15:48:06 GMT -5
while it doesn't make sense to give a belt a yellow strap i don't see how this would turn anyone off from buying the figure.
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Post by maske2g on Mar 20, 2011 15:49:20 GMT -5
while it doesn't make sense to give a belt a yellow strap i don't see how this would turn anyone off from buying the figure. Because I collect MOC. Because I already have a wrong version of this figure MOC.
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Post by jfinnomore on Mar 20, 2011 15:58:32 GMT -5
while it doesn't make sense to give a belt a yellow strap i don't see how this would turn anyone off from buying the figure. Because I collect MOC. Because I already have a wrong version of this figure MOC. technically when he won the belt his makeup and chest paint were smeared off so even if the belt was correct he still wouldn't be "accurate" so i guess you're ed.
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Post by PenguinDeluxe on Mar 20, 2011 16:01:40 GMT -5
Because I collect MOC. Because I already have a wrong version of this figure MOC. technically when he won the belt his makeup and chest paint were smeared off so even if the belt was correct he still wouldn't be "accurate" so i guess you're ed. That's why a black belt is a compromise. Yellow intercontinental would be preferred.
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Post by mikey1974 on Mar 20, 2011 16:13:59 GMT -5
I'm not a Warrior fan and I probably wouldn't get this figure either way but... If you're going to give the strap a color at least make it one he actually wore. exactly...if you're gonna do this, then make it white,blue,or purple,all colors he wore.... i still think they were justifying this as an amalgated belt,Yeelow strap (IC) with World plates (WHC) ,so that way you kinda got "both" belts in one... am i happy about that? no,not at all....little messed up details like that bother me,when not only does Mattel have access to the WWE archives to properly look and see specific details if need be,but also the ability to make sure they're properly done (if you're gonna create a new strap mold,and new plate molds for a new belt,don't you think you'd want it to be accurate?)....same thing with DM Macho Man not having the forearm covers painted on that he actually wore at the event the figure is BASED ON!!
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Post by squaredcircleactionfigs on Mar 20, 2011 16:38:57 GMT -5
am i happy about that? no,not at all....little messed up details like that bother me,when not only does Mattel have access to the WWE archives to properly look and see specific details if need be,but also the ability to make sure they're properly done (if you're gonna create a new strap mold,and new plate molds for a new belt,don't you think you'd want it to be accurate?)....same thing with DM Macho Man not having the forearm covers painted on that he actually wore at the event the figure is BASED ON!! mikey, keep in mind, this was a PERSONAL design decision by Bill. Mattel knows it is not accurate. Please see Bill's response to the situation above. I am not trying to denounce the integrity of the Mattel design team because they have done a wonderful job with 95% of the Legends figures to date. However, in my opinion, as a designer you need to have the "feel" for when to use/not to use your creative liberties. When you use creative liberties to commemorate something that does not need to be commemorated it takes something away from whatever it is you are commemorating. An amalgamated belt with this Warrior figure is a perfect example. The event has enough historical significance and does not need to be further commemorated. PLEASE GIVE US THE YELLOW STRAP INTERCONTINENTAL TITLE WITH THIS FIGURE! AS A COMPROMISE, I WILL BE OKAY WITH A BLACK WINGED TITLE VERSION.
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Post by juicewinslow on Mar 20, 2011 16:59:20 GMT -5
I probably won't display it with the belt. In fact, I will probably sell the yellow one on ebay or somethin. I'll wait until a black strap one comes out and give it to him.
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Post by kevinandrewc on Mar 20, 2011 17:28:07 GMT -5
Whomever made this decision (Bill I guess) is likely the same genius that decided to make obscure attires for Ricky the Dragon and Sgt Slaughter in Legends 1 (along with NWA Road Warriors and not WWF L.O.D), and probably the same guy who hung the success of the Legends 2-packs on the sales of the lowly Bushwhackers and two forgetful tag pairings. If it is the same person responsible for all this, then perhaps Mattel should replace or demote this person. Even though most people who were gonna buy this Warrior will still buy him, this just adds insult to those collectors who appreciate their memories being captured . . . and captured accurately.
It doesn't take a salaried employee to tell Mattel what collectors want. They want their memories embraced, not tweaked for creative liberties or brushed aside for obscurity because a previous company (Jakks) with a different scale and articulation standard already made it. At least I don't.
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Post by jcsix on Mar 20, 2011 17:45:45 GMT -5
Whomever made this decision (Bill I guess) is likely the same genius that decided to make obscure attires for Ricky the Dragon and Sgt Slaughter in Legends 1 (along with NWA Road Warriors and not WWF L.O.D), and probably the same guy who hung the success of the Legends 2-packs on the sales of the lowly Bushwhackers and two forgetful tag pairings. If it is the same person responsible for all this, then perhaps Mattel should replace or demote this person. Even though most people who were gonna buy this Warrior will still buy him, this just adds insult to those collectors who appreciate their memories being captured . . . and captured accurately. It doesn't take a salaried employee to tell Mattel what collectors want. They want their memories embraced, not tweaked for creative liberties or brushed aside for obscurity because a previous company (Jakks) with a different scale and articulation standard already made it. At least I don't. You do know that Mattel gave us thoes attires as they wanted something different from Jakks? And whats wrong anyways. I'v allways preffered NWA Warriors to WWF ones, and I'v personally always preffered Slaughter in his Legends 1 attire, so personally I'm guess you'r a WWF Mark and only want WWF based attiers. Do a search for Ricky, and I bet you will find him in red more than white.
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Post by mikey1974 on Mar 20, 2011 17:50:40 GMT -5
i can understand the choices for those attires,because:
A) they actually existed,and were worn... B) they chose different attires than the "normal" ones for Legends to give us something new,and not just repeat what was done before...
problem with this belt is that it was a color that never was worn,and just sat in a vault/safe/collection for 21 years....
i just...i understand that Bill made this a personal choice...i just can't imagine how he thought fans and collector's would be happy with a completely event INACCURATE choice when he could easily have said "Hey,let's make it as accurate as possible!", KNOWING fans and collector's WANT these things as accurate as possible...
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Post by twinn on Mar 20, 2011 17:55:00 GMT -5
Whomever made this decision (Bill I guess) is likely the same genius that decided to make obscure attires for Ricky the Dragon and Sgt Slaughter in Legends 1 (along with NWA Road Warriors and not WWF L.O.D), and probably the same guy who hung the success of the Legends 2-packs on the sales of the lowly Bushwhackers and two forgetful tag pairings. If it is the same person responsible for all this, then perhaps Mattel should replace or demote this person. Even though most people who were gonna buy this Warrior will still buy him, this just adds insult to those collectors who appreciate their memories being captured . . . and captured accurately. It doesn't take a salaried employee to tell Mattel what collectors want. They want their memories embraced, not tweaked for creative liberties or brushed aside for obscurity because a previous company (Jakks) with a different scale and articulation standard already made it. At least I don't. You do know that Mattel gave us thoes attires as they wanted something different from Jakks? And whats wrong anyways. I'v allways preffered NWA Warriors to WWF ones, and I'v personally always preffered Slaughter in his Legends 1 attire, so personally I'm guess you'r a WWF Mark and only want WWF based attiers. Do a search for Ricky, and I bet you will find him in red more than white. While there is no doubt that some people like you are happy with the Road Warriors and Slaughter from Series 1, I think the majority of Legends collectors (myself included) would have rather had Slaughter in camouflage (or Iraqi sympathizer attire) and had the Legion of Doom in their red attire And as far as the Tag Team series 1 goes, everybody on here knows that whoever decided on the lineup really screwed the ing pooch on that one.
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Post by PenguinDeluxe on Mar 20, 2011 17:59:39 GMT -5
You do know that Mattel gave us thoes attires as they wanted something different from Jakks? And whats wrong anyways. I'v allways preffered NWA Warriors to WWF ones, and I'v personally always preffered Slaughter in his Legends 1 attire, so personally I'm guess you'r a WWF Mark and only want WWF based attiers. Do a search for Ricky, and I bet you will find him in red more than white. While there is no doubt that some people like you are happy with the Road Warriors and Slaughter from Series 1, I think the majority of Legends collectors (myself included) would have rather had Slaughter in camouflage (or Iraqi sympathizer attire) and had the Legion of Doom in their red attire And as far as the Tag Team series 1 goes, everybody on here knows that whoever decided on the lineup really screwed the ing pooch on that one. Actually, I think majority of collectors would rather not buy a figure similar to one they already own, and would rather buy something different.
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