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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on May 31, 2011 20:28:41 GMT -5
In a time where I find almost everything involving WWE to be complete and total garbage, I have found a bright spot.....Riley/Miz.
I always knew Riley was a stud. He had the athletic ability, the grace, charisma, ability to cut a promo and even a nice character to build around, regardless of a PG or non PG setting.
Fast forward to today and Alex Riley is getting some damn decent pops. Once being considered a lacky for the Miz....he is now risen from those ranks to take his place as an up and coming contender.
Who deserves the credit? Riley? Some. But most of it belongs to The Miz. The Miz, who has a laundry list of shortcomings, has managed to get himself over as a legit heel. I think the WM win really helped solidify the guy.
As over as Miz is as a heel has allowed Riley to piggy back this as a babyface. What better source of pain to bring to Miz than his own lacky/protege.
While I dont see this feud doing much for Miz right this minute, it becomes they KEY to Riley's future. Is he gonna win? I would hope not. It would kill Miz. But the way they have been building the feud into Capitol Punishment reminds me of the old days. Riley has had the advantage, let Miz sneak something in and then Riley looks strong before the ppv before Miz gets a half clean win over Riley. More can be done, but these are the corner stones.
2 thumbs up to a feud that has eclipsed all else in the E.
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Post by gordon on May 31, 2011 20:33:10 GMT -5
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on May 31, 2011 20:50:55 GMT -5
You always knew Riley was a stud? Yes sir. Didnt think he could carry the babyface role....but so far so good. |
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on May 31, 2011 23:22:13 GMT -5
The Miz deserves no credit whatsoever. The Miz isn't the booker or the storyline writer. The Miz is a guy who got LUCKY that every top star in WWE left or got hurt at the same time (Batista, Shawn Michaels, Chris Jericho, Triple H, Undertaker, etc).
The Miz didn't get himself over as a legit anything except to males on internet message boards. Wins and losses are MEANINGLESS. In this business it's all about your performance....and at Wrestlemania, The Miz put on a poor poor poor poor poor performance. That match was terrible, and if a guy is going to be Champion he needs to be able to raise his game. Look at Triple H and Undertaker. They are two guys who can raise their game at a moments notice, and Undertaker with a half crippled body can still put on the match of the year when he's called upon. Same with Triple H.
This should be abundantly clear by the fact that the company has decided to make R-TRUTH the number one contender instead of sticking with the Miz.
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Post by James Hetfield on May 31, 2011 23:23:06 GMT -5
Hahaha. Funny thread.
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Post by The-Rock on May 31, 2011 23:27:33 GMT -5
I'm not completely sold on him. What has always bothered me is how closely his look resembles The Miz. Truthfully, I consider him to be more of a manager/lackey than active competitor. I will say that I enjoyed his moment on Monday Night especially where he was getting cheered with his new music playing. It reminded me of Randy Orton in 2004. Unfortunately, he was getting cheered because he was opposing The Miz, not because he is a draw.
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Post by Jimmy on May 31, 2011 23:29:44 GMT -5
The Miz deserves no credit whatsoever. The Miz isn't the booker or the storyline writer. The Miz is a guy who got LUCKY that every top star in WWE left or got hurt at the same time (Batista, Shawn Michaels, Chris Jericho, Triple H, Undertaker, etc). The Miz didn't get himself over as a legit anything except to males on internet message boards. Wins and losses are MEANINGLESS. In this business it's all about your performance....and at Wrestlemania, The Miz put on a poor poor poor poor poor performance. That match was terrible, and if a guy is going to be Champion he needs to be able to raise his game. Look at Triple H and Undertaker. They are two guys who can raise their game at a moments notice, and Undertaker with a half crippled body can still put on the match of the year when he's called upon. Same with Triple H. This should be abundantly clear by the fact that the company has decided to make R-TRUTH the number one contender instead of sticking with the Miz. Taker and Triple H was so good because of the crowd reaction seeing as they've been around for 15-20 years and will get pops for everything. If Miz is around 7+ years from now and still being booked as a main eventer, he'll be getting huge pops too. |
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Post by PenguinDeluxe on May 31, 2011 23:30:34 GMT -5
The Miz deserves no credit whatsoever. The Miz isn't the booker or the storyline writer. The Miz is a guy who got LUCKY that every top star in WWE left or got hurt at the same time (Batista, Shawn Michaels, Chris Jericho, Triple H, Undertaker, etc). The Miz didn't get himself over as a legit anything except to males on internet message boards. Wins and losses are MEANINGLESS. In this business it's all about your performance....and at Wrestlemania, The Miz put on a poor poor poor poor poor performance. That match was terrible, and if a guy is going to be Champion he needs to be able to raise his game. Look at Triple H and Undertaker. They are two guys who can raise their game at a moments notice, and Undertaker with a half crippled body can still put on the match of the year when he's called upon. Same with Triple H. This should be abundantly clear by the fact that the company has decided to make R-TRUTH the number one contender instead of sticking with the Miz. Or the fact that a lot of people were tired of Miz/Cena. How on earth can you even compare Miz/Cena to Taker/HHH? Miz is WAY over, and he deserves a lot of credit for it. |
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on May 31, 2011 23:40:27 GMT -5
The Miz deserves no credit whatsoever. The Miz isn't the booker or the storyline writer. The Miz is a guy who got LUCKY that every top star in WWE left or got hurt at the same time (Batista, Shawn Michaels, Chris Jericho, Triple H, Undertaker, etc). The Miz didn't get himself over as a legit anything except to males on internet message boards. Wins and losses are MEANINGLESS. In this business it's all about your performance....and at Wrestlemania, The Miz put on a poor poor poor poor poor performance. That match was terrible, and if a guy is going to be Champion he needs to be able to raise his game. Look at Triple H and Undertaker. They are two guys who can raise their game at a moments notice, and Undertaker with a half crippled body can still put on the match of the year when he's called upon. Same with Triple H. This should be abundantly clear by the fact that the company has decided to make R-TRUTH the number one contender instead of sticking with the Miz. Or the fact that a lot of people were tired of Miz/Cena. How on earth can you even compare Miz/Cena to Taker/HHH? Miz is WAY over, and he deserves a lot of credit for it. Like I keep saying.....being WAY OVER on the internet and being WAY OVER with the audience are two different thing. WWE doesn't earn money off internet bro love. If The Rock wasn't on Wrestlemania and people didn't think something big was going to go down between Cena and Rock.....if they tried to just sell that PPV off the headline of Miz vs. Cena alone......woah, I can't even imagine how bad the buys would be. |
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Post by johnnypoopypants on Jun 1, 2011 0:02:31 GMT -5
Like I keep saying.....being WAY OVER on the internet and being WAY OVER with the audience are two different thing. WWE doesn't earn money off internet bro love. If The Rock wasn't on Wrestlemania and people didn't think something big was going to go down between Cena and Rock.....if they tried to just sell that PPV off the headline of Miz vs. Cena alone......woah, I can't even imagine how bad the buys would be. Yeah, Miz gets no crowd reaction and everyone on the internet loves him. |
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Post by slappy on Jun 1, 2011 0:10:05 GMT -5
If Miz isn't over then why is Riley still being cheered for what he did to Miz?
Yeah, can't be because of Miz's overness. Nope, had to be something creative did. Must have been piped in cheers or something.
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Post by Seahorse on Jun 1, 2011 0:13:02 GMT -5
If Miz isn't over then why is Riley still being cheered for what he did to Miz? Yeah, can't be because of Miz's overness. Nope, had to be something creative did. Must have been piped in cheers or something. Why do you think they were having technical difficulties? The amount of piped cheers they had to queue up for that segment crashed everything else. |
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Post by LtD73 on Jun 1, 2011 5:09:56 GMT -5
He's only getting good pops because he's kicking Miz's ass. Once this fued is over and he fueds with someone else, he won't get as many cheers
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Post by gordon on Jun 1, 2011 6:48:58 GMT -5
Alex Riley's face push is indisputable evidence of how over The Miz really is.
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Post by Infinite on Jun 1, 2011 7:02:29 GMT -5
Alex Riley's face push is indisputable evidence of how over The Miz really is. This. To me, Raw just proved that the Miz is damn over as a heel, and that there's no way he's going to just drop back down to mid card level again, although they're going to need to find him something to do throughout Cena's probably lengthy title reign. I'm thinking a feud with Rey is on the cards once he's done with Riley, since he's pretty much the only other top level face on Raw. |
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Post by marino13 on Jun 1, 2011 7:57:46 GMT -5
He's only getting good pops because he's kicking Miz's ass. Once this fued is over and he fueds with someone else, he won't get as many cheers I kinda think that's the point he was making. Riley has natural born heel written all over him, but The Miz is so hated & over with the fans that someone like Riley can get huge pops in one weeks time just from giving the Miz a beat-down. And that's what a great heel should be able to do. |
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Jun 1, 2011 8:06:47 GMT -5
Alex Riley's face push is indisputable evidence of how over The Miz really is. EXACTLY! Miz has been growing and growing. And the feud with Cena and retaining the title at WM only pushed him over the top. Riley was nothing but a lackey in the audience's mind. Hell, they didnt even tease the tension much at all before the sudden turn. Then Riley turns and crowd explodes. Thats how a heel makes a babyface. After this feud, it will be up to Riley to sustain it. As far as creative being responsible....thats absurd. Creative has nothing to do with that moment in the ring when Riley turns. There have been tons of turns that have resulted in nothing. I am not a Miz supporter, but you have to give the devil his due on this. |
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Post by totti on Jun 1, 2011 8:35:46 GMT -5
its nice you can get your true feelings about alex riley out in the open
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Post by Mike Bockwinkel on Jun 1, 2011 8:51:23 GMT -5
And Jimmy gets bitched at for HIS threads...  |
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Post by wabarrett on Jun 1, 2011 10:14:32 GMT -5
If Miz isn't over then why is Riley still being cheered for what he did to Miz? Yeah, can't be because of Miz's overness. Nope, had to be something creative did. Must have been piped in cheers or something. Faces can get over by playing a face role well, you missed that one out. Sure, it does show that Miz has really put his heel character across well, but you can't take anything away from Riley; he's been out there playing a face just two weeks and people are loving everything he says and does so far. What I'm saying is well done to Miz but he shouldn't take all the credit if Riley takes off as a face, Riley himself deserves praise too. |
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