speedlgt
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Post by speedlgt on Aug 17, 2011 8:42:35 GMT -5
I cant believe that you all think just cause hasbro has a sub for there stuff that equal to what mattel is doing! I CAN GO TO ANY ANY ANY RETAIL store and BUY A transformer gi joe or starwars product and its not a problem!!! sure there is a sub line for die hard fans. THAT IS NOT WHAT MATTY does! matty says heres heman "you want him" come commit to 350 for the year and hes yours!! no retail just pure profit for mattel! there gonna do it to you all! and you all like flys to a fire and gonna go all in
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gawd6sic6™
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Post by gawd6sic6™ on Aug 17, 2011 10:18:05 GMT -5
I cant believe that you all think just cause hasbro has a sub for there stuff that equal to what mattel is doing! I CAN GO TO ANY ANY ANY RETAIL store and BUY A transformer gi joe or starwars product and its not a problem!!! sure there is a sub line for die hard fans. THAT IS NOT WHAT MATTY does! matty says heres heman "you want him" come commit to 350 for the year and hes yours!! no retail just pure profit for mattel! there gonna do it to you all! and you all like flys to a fire and gonna go all in or you can go to the site on the 15th of the month and order one for $20.. and NOT commit to the sub... not very hard to understand...
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Post by candygallows on Aug 17, 2011 10:25:38 GMT -5
Maybe in Japan, or among 40-50 year olds from the southern states of the US. And neither Japanese folks nor 50 year olds from Georgia are the main market for a toy line. For every other demographic, Hawk and Animal are far more famous as the Legion of Doom. The were only known strictly as the Legion of Doom during their short time in WWF. They were a big-time tag team draw in more than just the South and Japan, and plenty of people under 40 know them better as The Road Warriors. ^Thank you. That's the point I was trying to make
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speedlgt
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Post by speedlgt on Aug 17, 2011 11:07:33 GMT -5
I cant believe that you all think just cause hasbro has a sub for there stuff that equal to what mattel is doing! I CAN GO TO ANY ANY ANY RETAIL store and BUY A transformer gi joe or starwars product and its not a problem!!! sure there is a sub line for die hard fans. THAT IS NOT WHAT MATTY does! matty says heres heman "you want him" come commit to 350 for the year and hes yours!! no retail just pure profit for mattel! there gonna do it to you all! and you all like flys to a fire and gonna go all in or you can go to the site on the 15th of the month and order one for $20.. and NOT commit to the sub... not very hard to understand... have you ever tried.......that........its called the white screen of death that will keep refreshing for 4 hours! oh and you get no figures
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2011 11:09:43 GMT -5
The only hook about Matty's subscription service is that, if they do indeed begin one, it will feature an exclusive figure that you won't be able to buy otherwise. I have a subscription for Ghostbusters and I actually like it because I don't have to remember when the figures are coming out. They just show up.
The whole Legends argument is too subjective. The simple fact of the matter is that they did not sell well enough to continue at retail. You can complain about the selection of figures but I think they did an EXCELLENT job of covering various eras. AND we got Savage. AND (aside from Hogan and the upcoming Andre) we got some of the biggest names in wrestling (Austin, Rock, Warrior, Guerrero).
Someone said that Mattel should have loaded it heavy on the front end. Have Series One as Hogan, Andre, Warrior, Savage, et cetera, to make sure the series sells well right off the bat. The problem with that is, once you get to Series 10 or Series 11, you're stuck with buying nothing but Ken Patera and Bart Gunn. You've got to mix the "collector favorites" in with the guys who have more mass market appeal.
I'm hoping that going Matty exclusive will give us the chance to get more collector-oriented figures. I would love to see some classic Legends like Gorgeous George, Lou Thesz, and Buddy Rogers.
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Post by superwwefigures on Aug 17, 2011 11:53:55 GMT -5
don't hate on the basics, there are plenty of us who aren't stuck in the past and really enjoy current talent and would like to get the first figure we can of them!
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Post by WCW-Figure-Fan on Aug 17, 2011 13:18:35 GMT -5
I cant believe that you all think just cause hasbro has a sub for there stuff that equal to what mattel is doing! I CAN GO TO ANY ANY ANY RETAIL store and BUY A transformer gi joe or starwars product and its not a problem!!! sure there is a sub line for die hard fans. THAT IS NOT WHAT MATTY does! matty says heres heman "you want him" come commit to 350 for the year and hes yours!! no retail just pure profit for mattel! there gonna do it to you all! and you all like flys to a fire and gonna go all in By all means, go to that retail store and locate those GI Joe, Star Wars, and Transformers figures. Now locate the WWE figures. Hey, they are there, too. Which is part of why comparing Hasbro and Mattel makes so little sense when discussing the WWE license. Because what Mattel is doing with WWE is WAY more like what Hasbro does with GI Joe than what Mattel does with He-Man. He-Man had no retail support. Mattel can't make stores carry their toys. He-Man had a revamp with major retail penetration in the last 10 years. It didn't stick. He-Man just isn't as powerful a brand as Transformers or GI Joe. It never was. That's why the line died off in the first place. He-Man collectors are, by definition, die-hard collectors. All of them. Yeah, that's a bummer for collectors who want more access, but its reality. You act like there was a choice to have released the He-Man retro line to retail but there wasn't. Maybe they could have brought 6-12 figures to retail. Matty Collector has released over 50. Its not "pure profit", either. Mattel is taking on all of the costs retailers take on and they doing so without the economies of scale large retailers can enjoy. All to produce short-run figures that will be more costly to produce per unit. YES, they are making money. Shame on them for not operating their business as a charity. This was how they were able to produce the figures and turn a comfortable profit. You don't have to be thrilled with all of this, but don't act like its the unspeakable machinations of some vicious force of evil. I really wanted the Ghostbusters figures but found the MattyCollector release scheme a huge turn-off and didn't buy them. I still appreciated that someone was making high quality Ghostbusters figures. I was bummed that I didn't have them, but I could still understand why Mattel released them as they did. I might have preferred something else, but they choices weren't unreasonable. They were just choices. You can take issue on those grounds without fictionalizing some sort of travesty to protest.
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Post by machoking on Aug 17, 2011 14:42:08 GMT -5
I cant believe that you all think just cause hasbro has a sub for there stuff that equal to what mattel is doing! I CAN GO TO ANY ANY ANY RETAIL store and BUY A transformer gi joe or starwars product and its not a problem!!! sure there is a sub line for die hard fans. THAT IS NOT WHAT MATTY does! matty says heres heman "you want him" come commit to 350 for the year and hes yours!! no retail just pure profit for mattel! there gonna do it to you all! and you all like flys to a fire and gonna go all in Would love to see where this $350 we're committing to is. It doesnt appear to be in subscriptions, I know figures arnt going to be $70+ a piece. Please would LOVE LOVE LOVE to hear how you're just randomly pulling a number out of your ass to make it seem like your complaining has some sort of base to it. You keep pulling these crazy ass numbers like $2000 a year and now $350.....Clearly most of Mattys subscriptions are $20 give or take. Ive yet to see a regularly released 6-8 inch figure on their site for over $20....Would just LOVE to see where we're paying for hundreds and thousands of dollars for all this stuff you're saying we're going to. I guess Mattel is just going to randomly Quadruple the prices on us now they're online, right?
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speedlgt
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Post by speedlgt on Aug 17, 2011 16:04:14 GMT -5
OMG you guys are just like..........." I am happy to just be able to buy figures and I will take them any way I can get them" Lets look at this from the TRUE perspective, 20 up front to by HE MAN ok cool but you commit to buying what $510 plus shipping/taxes/fees. so thats where the BIG money come from.
NOW lest look at the BIG picture we are all here cause we collect its a hobby this hobby that we love is gonna DIE! cause of this type of sub service how well look at this. DUE to matty being so sucessful with a sub service Hasbro is doing the same thing with GI JOE and do a little rersearch and they want you to be an officer member then buy a sub and they want 25 dollars a fig that 50 a month for 6 months!
yeah that sucks when you take retail out of the picture you can set the price point as high as you like. ALso this would not even happen if matty had not done there sub service with he man. Basically you can see the gi joe line could straight up die same goes for all the others all because of sub services that are all in style. Its bad for the business and the big picture of collecting over all. I am not being a dick here I care about YOU and ME and our hobby of collecting and this just seems like a bunch of crap that we are allowing to occur cause we take our toys anyway we can.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2011 18:44:35 GMT -5
So happy I got to make NWA Dusty. Extremely happy that I'm about to get KVE. Well, when RSC actually sends KVE.
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Post by machoking on Aug 17, 2011 20:03:11 GMT -5
OMG you guys are just like..........." I am happy to just be able to buy figures and I will take them any way I can get them" Lets look at this from the TRUE perspective, 20 up front to by HE MAN ok cool but you commit to buying what $510 plus shipping/taxes/fees. so thats where the BIG money come from. NOW lest look at the BIG picture we are all here cause we collect its a hobby this hobby that we love is gonna DIE! cause of this type of sub service how well look at this. DUE to matty being so sucessful with a sub service Hasbro is doing the same thing with GI JOE and do a little rersearch and they want you to be an officer member then buy a sub and they want 25 dollars a fig that 50 a month for 6 months! yeah that sucks when you take retail out of the picture you can set the price point as high as you like. ALso this would not even happen if matty had not done there sub service with he man. Basically you can see the gi joe line could straight up die same goes for all the others all because of sub services that are all in style. Its bad for the business and the big picture of collecting over all. I am not being a dick here I care about YOU and ME and our hobby of collecting and this just seems like a bunch of crap that we are allowing to occur cause we take our toys anyway we can. Again, you make absolutely no sense in your ramblings and now you're pulling out $500+ dollars to spend on figures. WWE figures are not subscription BUT if they do go that route at some point, you're not spending nearly as much as you're freaking out about. Follow along, I assume you can do simple math. Subscription Fee (This is a one time YEARLY feed)- $20 6 figures a year. We dont know the price but we'll got a nice round number of $25 per figure ($150 a year) 150 + 20= $170...Now if you want to factor in $10 extra per figure shipped, that takes it to $230 for a whole year. This is an absolute MAX number and is SOOO much less then the numbers of $2000, $500 and whatever other numbers you keep just randomly generating to complain about. Seriously, do math, research, study and most importantly THINK before posting any more.
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Post by batman2711 on Aug 17, 2011 21:31:49 GMT -5
Not defending him but i Think $500.00 was in reference to the MOTU line. If you commit to the MOTU subscription you're being charged for 12 monthly figures,4 beasts or multi-packs,4 variant figures. which comes to $510 before shipping.
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WCW-Figure-Fan
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Post by WCW-Figure-Fan on Aug 17, 2011 21:46:19 GMT -5
OMG you guys are just like..........." I am happy to just be able to buy figures and I will take them any way I can get them" Lets look at this from the TRUE perspective, 20 up front to by HE MAN ok cool but you commit to buying what $510 plus shipping/taxes/fees. so thats where the BIG money come from. NOW lest look at the BIG picture we are all here cause we collect its a hobby this hobby that we love is gonna DIE! cause of this type of sub service how well look at this. DUE to matty being so sucessful with a sub service Hasbro is doing the same thing with GI JOE and do a little rersearch and they want you to be an officer member then buy a sub and they want 25 dollars a fig that 50 a month for 6 months! yeah that sucks when you take retail out of the picture you can set the price point as high as you like. ALso this would not even happen if matty had not done there sub service with he man. Basically you can see the gi joe line could straight up die same goes for all the others all because of sub services that are all in style. Its bad for the business and the big picture of collecting over all. I am not being a dick here I care about YOU and ME and our hobby of collecting and this just seems like a bunch of crap that we are allowing to occur cause we take our toys anyway we can. OMG. Ur like bein purposefully obtuse and stuff. You're still basing your indignation and a false premise. You act like Mattel abandoned retail in favor of subscription services. That is completely false. You are choosing ignorance over truth. Stop it. You don't care about the bigger picture. You care about flattering your sense of superiority. Your presumption that you must know how everything works. He-Man wasn't going to work at retail. Period. Mattel tried. They got some of the Classics into retail outlets. There is NO demand for a mass market release. Your choice was not mass market He-Man figures or online exclusive figures. It was online exclusive or NOTHING. You are fashioning yourself as a defender of something which can't happen. Mattel didn't respond to this with $500 subscriptions. The subs came as a response to collectors who wanted more security in ordering. They could have come up with a solution that was more collector friendly, sure. They also could have done nothing. They could have gone sub only. Direct sales are something they are figuring out. Far from a cash grab, its something Mattel clearly entered into as an experiment on trying to serve a collector market where there was no retail demand. Even with the subs, they still serve customers who want to cherry pick figures. Subscriptions are just a way to get security if you are a big collector. They can't just produce figures in excess of demand and eat the loss. They are working off slim budgets. There are somethings we just have to accept. They "get away with it" because people are eager to buy the product. That's not something nefarious. It means they are meeting a need of the market. It might not be your need, but other people are thrilled to be getting the toys they want. The WWE line is still going VERY strong at retail. Its never going to be an online exclusive so long as there are mass market toy sales. Comparing it to online exclusive lines is just silly. They are taking a small subset online. A sub-line that has no mass-market support. Maybe they could have gone to retail differently. I think they could have been stronger, but I think the lack of retail support was inevitable. Maybe they could have pushed the line a couple series longer, but not much. They had plenty of big names in what did get into retail. The real problem is bigger. Its a collector line and those have been struggling throughout the mass market toy sector. What's more, its a specific need that's been oversaturated in recent years by Jakks running 28 lines of classic figures to say nothing of the exclusive classic figures (Deluxe, two-packs, Ringside, etc). There was demand for these figures, but Jakks got there first. I'm disappointed that there isn't more demand for Legends figures, but I get it. I'm happy Mattel is still working to bring the toys to collectors. I wish they already had a WWE sub. You don't want that? Fine. Don't buy them. I've done that, myself. Just don't pretend you could have things that you can't have. Don't pretend you can get whatever you want just because you want it. Don't pretend you are fighting for the survival of figure collecting. You are fighting against it by insisting things be the way they were instead of recognizing what they are. The lack of mass market interest in stocking some figures is a reality. Its not the result of complacent collectors. Pretend this all isn't true at your peril.
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Post by machoking on Aug 17, 2011 22:48:46 GMT -5
Not defending him but i Think $500.00 was in reference to the MOTU line. If you commit to the MOTU subscription you're being charged for 12 monthly figures,4 beasts or multi-packs,4 variant figures. which comes to $510 before shipping. Well if he is then I apologize but WTF does the MOTU line have to do with the WWE line? They're not being treated anyway shape or form as the same lol
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Post by EMW Figure Shelf on Aug 18, 2011 3:30:20 GMT -5
I do agree for sure. The days of going to TRU a few times a month as well as other stores going on a wild goose chase for legends and also marking out for new legends out even ones I would never expect to be made like warrior, Killer Kowalski, Bruno Sammartino, Abdullah The Butcher etc. The fun of going to TRU and seeing the huge variety of new series, TRU CSDA series, 2 packs, 3 packs etc was just amazing! I love having the von erichs, Road Warriors, Steamboat, Macho etc. I understand the point that guys like Bret, HBK, Razor, Hogan, Flair should be all made FIRST and since we are getting guys like bret now and stuff like that, we should have gotten them from the start cuz even the kiddies now know who Bret is and Hogan because they had made recent appearances and see them in Video games and stuff like that. I mean Jakks did it, it wouldn't be a problem for Mattel to do it but their excuse was "we tried being kind of different which is why we chose the different attires" I get that but I recognize Snuka the most barefoot, they cudda made his WM attire when he faced Taker I would have been happy. Lets just hope the Flashback Slots are going to be worth losing two elites for Do we really need another Cena, Rey, Miz, Orton?
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Post by threehgame on Aug 18, 2011 3:44:49 GMT -5
There are only to reasons Mattel would offer a WWE Legends subscription plan. The first is that the line does very well and there is such an outcry from people that never had a chance for their order to go through that Mattel creates the service as a way to level the playing field. The second reason is that the first few figures sell so poorly they offer a subscription plan to guarantee figure sells to justify the expense. This is why Hasbro and the G.I. Joe collector's club is so expensive and requires a full subscription plan. Hasbro has tried to offer Joes online before and they do not sell strongly. Hope that the first few Legends figures sell strongly otherwise you could see a subscription plan, increased prices and a slightly less diverse cast of Legends.
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Post by Micro on Aug 18, 2011 4:23:30 GMT -5
I understand the argument that bigger names would've been better upfront but that argument assumes that names like Bret Hart, Hulk Hogan, Shawn Michaels, Undertaker, Macho Man, and Ric Flair were ready to go since Day 1 and that's just not true. Between the guys who are still in TNA, active wrestlers that WWE did not want in the Legends line, and contracts not yet finalized, there were already plenty of limitations from the start. Add that to the current, troubled economy and a big chunk of CS collectors, the main target audience for this line, that passed on the Mattels and you can see that we have an uphill battle! (Yes, I partially blame Jakks collectors for seeing the Legends line fail at retail)
Ricky the Dragon Steamboat, Macho Man Randy Savage, Stone Cold Steve Austin, The Rock, Jake the Snake Roberts, the Von Erichs, Bam Bam Bigelow, the British Bulldog, the Iron Sheik, and most of the Legends Mattel produced are NOT minor league wrestlers; They're classic, highlight reel material! So I believe that the character selection wasn't really the biggest downfall of this line, that even with Hogan, Bret, Flair, HBK, and the rest, it wouldn't have changed much.
Also, considering all the insight Bill has offered us in the past, I'm surprised that there are still some who feel that Mattel is scamming us with the $20-$25 online price that we'll probably be charged on Matty's site. Now they're just setting whatever price they want, right?
Wrong. Bill already stated that for any exclusive they still have to pay the factory the setup costs for a production run of 20,000 units even if only 5000-8000 get made. It's the same reason why RSC Kane, CM Punk, and Rey are $22.99+ instead of $15.99, they're a limited edition not available in stores.
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Post by Next Man’s Yeeter on Aug 18, 2011 6:35:28 GMT -5
The were only known strictly as the Legion of Doom during their short time in WWF. And that was when they had by far the most exposure and fame of their careers, and were seen by the most people. Much as fans of other federations don't like to admit it, there was nothing else even remotely close to WWF level in the mid-eighties to early nineties. Do you really think the AWA sold more Road Warriors figures than the WWF sold Hasbro Legion of Doom? Did the NWA put Hawk and Animal on pencil cases and bedspreads sold worldwide that I've just not seen?
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Post by mrhoss on Aug 18, 2011 7:26:27 GMT -5
Supposedly Mattel feels wrestling collectors are not completists. Therefore it is better to sell individually rather than subscription. Someone who interviewed Mattel recently posted that on another board. If you are lurking here maybe you can clarify that?
LOD or Road Warriors? It's Hawk and freakin' Animal!
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Post by machoking on Aug 18, 2011 9:12:37 GMT -5
I dont understand the Road Warrior hate. Clearly they were a success as those two figures flew off the shelves and off of online stores. Complain about Funk, complain about Slaughter....whatever....The fact is The Road Warriors sold so clearly there was a demand for them and people bought them like crazy so the argument of "Oh well if they were in their LOD attire they would have sold better".....how much better can you get then Sold Out?
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