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Post by Jord on Aug 23, 2011 8:49:00 GMT -5
Whether you like him or not, Jeff Hardy is one of the biggest names in wrestling so it would be stupid for TNA to cut ties with him like they did with Matt. I'm interested to see what TNA do with Jeff since I believe he was kicked out of Immortal.
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Aug 23, 2011 9:00:39 GMT -5
If by headaches, you mean revenue....then yes. Jeff Hardy is not going to move ratings. No ONE person is going to move ratings. If the Rock showed up, it might move for a week or 2....but it takes name brand recognition, something TNA does not have right now. In fact, they arent even sure the name of the damn company right now. The few steps they took in the right direction.....they a few more back. They have a lot of work to do. Absolutely. He got ed up. But lets not make TNA an innocent bystander. He got ed up and TNA put him out on the tv to possibly get hurt and worse of all....Sting could have been hurt. But stupid? No. TNA needs the revenue stream that Jeff Hardy can provide. For better or for worse, Jeff Hardy sells tickets to house shows. Jeff Hardy is a merchandise whore. Put Jeff's name on it and people buy it. TNA doesn't need the revenue stream that Hardy brings as they have been doing pretty dandy without him over these past few months. As far as it being stupid, that is my opinion and you don't have to agree with it. I think that bringing back someone who is going to be in court about a week after this show is pretty stupid. I think bringing back someone that has proven that he can't stay on the up and up is stupid. And I still think it was stupid to hire Jeff Hardy. I don't care how much money you bring in, when you can't make the RIGHT choices in your life. He can make TNA a million dollars and as a huge TNA fan... I would rather see Jeff Hardy stay home until his legal situation is resolved, he gets treatment for his problems, that way if/when he comes back... he can actually be someone that TNA can hang their hat on. He has proven once again that he is unreliable, in my opinion. I'm sure you disagree and that's fine, I'm not going to get into a pissing contest with you about it. TNA doesnt need revenue? Dude, TNA is considered nothing more than a glorified indy. Sad, but true. They cant even pay Jimmy Wang Yang without bouncing a check. I think they do need the revenue. Doing pretty dandy? Dandy with what? House show attendances are DOWN in the Northeast. You're not the only HUGE TNA fan. I attend tons of house shows and since Jeff left, the attendances have been down. Jeff doesnt actually attend all these court dates. He will when its time to goto trial...which I doubt there will even be one. Its nothing more than a smoke screen by DA who has a case that he cant prove based on absurd charges. Seriously? That much drugs and he had it delivered to his freaking house? GET OUT OF HERE! But I am not going to get into a big debate over that....that topic has been run into the ground. Each person can believe what they want. Fact is, the DA has no case and cannot prove any of it anyway. At the time TNA hired Jeff Hardy, he was the HOTTEST star in wrestling. Fact. He was just coming off an extremely hot feud with CM Punk. Fact. He came to TNA and added another house hold name to the roster. FACT. He brought in a ton of revenue for the company, helping launch TNA taking Impact on the road. Fact. You're personal feelings towards Jeff and what he does is irrelevant when it comes to dollars and cents. Not saying its not relevant in how one views the company, Jeff or a moral choice. But dollars and cents dont lie. TNA needed the revenue. Perhaps you believe there is a better way to generate that then having Jeff Hardy on the roster. Fair enough. But this is the plan that TNA has and I consider it a damn good one. And a tip to TNA....the problems with Jeff always start when you run him ragged into the ground. One of the reasons Jeff Hardy came to TNA is for the lighter schedule. Dont put him on the road for weeks on weeks. Thats when the problems start. As far as treatment, how do you know he didnt seek help? I certainly dont. Maybe he is clean. Maybe he isnt. I really dont know. What I do know is he has been gone for awhile now and his return can only add to an otherwise demoralizing show. Deskjet....the spoilers are for the show airing on 8/25. TNA is taping a show in Alabama on 8/25 to air for what I am guessing 9/1.
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Post by eddie eddie on Aug 23, 2011 9:09:07 GMT -5
cm sheepstopper is here to put a stop to all you sheep, huzzah!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2011 9:10:29 GMT -5
I like heel jeff he was cool
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Post by Adam on Aug 23, 2011 10:02:01 GMT -5
Absolutely. He got ed up. But lets not make TNA an innocent bystander. He got ed up and TNA put him out on the tv to possibly get hurt and worse of all....Sting could have been hurt. I actually do blame TNA more for that incident. Why they even keep him, let alone have him wrestle impaired is beyond me. The least TNA can do is show that they are more level-headed than Jeff Hardy.
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Aug 23, 2011 13:49:49 GMT -5
Absolutely. He got ed up. But lets not make TNA an innocent bystander. He got ed up and TNA put him out on the tv to possibly get hurt and worse of all....Sting could have been hurt. I actually do blame TNA more for that incident. Why they even keep him, let alone have him wrestle impaired is beyond me. The least TNA can do is show that they are more level-headed than Jeff Hardy. I guess I should have reworded that and said....visibly impaired. Cuz lets face it, most of the guys are impaired with something whether it be something minor like pain killers or marijuana or something hardcore.
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Post by "The Visionary" Eldniw on Aug 23, 2011 14:43:04 GMT -5
I hope he's cleaned himself up. I was a big Jeff Hardy fan up to 2003 before he left, and when he returned to WWE in 2006. I really hope he has cleaned up, I'd really like to support him again, but as messed up as he was, I couldn't.
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Post by Suckasays on Aug 23, 2011 14:53:57 GMT -5
I'm sure the ratings surge of a 1.2 every other week will be worth the headaches he'll continue to bring. If by headaches, you mean revenue....then yes. Jeff Hardy is not going to move ratings. No ONE person is going to move ratings. If the Rock showed up, it might move for a week or 2....but it takes name brand recognition, something TNA does not have right now. In fact, they arent even sure the name of the damn company right now. The few steps they took in the right direction.....they a few more back. They have a lot of work to do. Ugh... stupid, stupid, stupid. This guy has made the company look like a fool in both his runs and they keep bringing him back. When do people run out of chances? Absolutely. He got ed up. But lets not make TNA an innocent bystander. He got ed up and TNA put him out on the tv to possibly get hurt and worse of all....Sting could have been hurt. But stupid? No. TNA needs the revenue stream that Jeff Hardy can provide. For better or for worse, Jeff Hardy sells tickets to house shows. Jeff Hardy is a merchandise whore. Put Jeff's name on it and people buy it. It has his name on it...
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Post by Seahorse on Aug 23, 2011 15:01:45 GMT -5
Hopefully this isn't true and he thinks he's going to the tapings to work but they're just bringing him to the tapings to fire him in person.
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Post by Lord Ragnarok on Aug 23, 2011 15:14:08 GMT -5
Hopefully he takes the backroads to the arena so as to avoid being pulled over and hauled off the jail before he gets there. /thread
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Aug 23, 2011 15:40:30 GMT -5
If by headaches, you mean revenue....then yes. Jeff Hardy is not going to move ratings. No ONE person is going to move ratings. If the Rock showed up, it might move for a week or 2....but it takes name brand recognition, something TNA does not have right now. In fact, they arent even sure the name of the damn company right now. The few steps they took in the right direction.....they a few more back. They have a lot of work to do. Absolutely. He got ed up. But lets not make TNA an innocent bystander. He got ed up and TNA put him out on the tv to possibly get hurt and worse of all....Sting could have been hurt. But stupid? No. TNA needs the revenue stream that Jeff Hardy can provide. For better or for worse, Jeff Hardy sells tickets to house shows. Jeff Hardy is a merchandise whore. Put Jeff's name on it and people buy it. It has his name on it... Seriously?! People would be LINING UP to buy Jeff Hardy brand opium. I know it was an attempt to be humorous, but sadly it feeds right into what I am saying.
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Post by jfinnomore on Aug 23, 2011 16:12:47 GMT -5
It has his name on it... Seriously?! People would be LINING UP to buy Jeff Hardy brand opium. I know it was an attempt to be humorous, but sadly it feeds right into what I am saying. and i can't think of anyone better to slang opiates to children. hey TNA needs the money right? if they don't even care about the safety of their employees why would they care about some kids taking some H?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2011 16:18:55 GMT -5
You know what. You guys can bash Jeff Hardy all you want. But whether you like him or not it doesn't matter. He has friends and family to love him and some computer nerds opinion's don't mean a damn thing.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2011 16:29:56 GMT -5
Yes TNA is a business. Yes Jeff Hardy sells. But not firing him after that sh** he pulled is not good business.
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Post by deskjet on Aug 23, 2011 16:39:48 GMT -5
Deskjet....the spoilers are for the show airing on 8/25. TNA is taping a show in Alabama on 8/25 to air for what I am guessing 9/1. ahhh, gotcha. that makes more sense.
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Aug 23, 2011 16:40:57 GMT -5
Yes TNA is a business. Yes Jeff Hardy sells. But not firing him after that sh** he pulled is not good business. Normally, I would agree. But TNA is in no position to take moral stances on their biggest draw.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2011 16:44:12 GMT -5
Yes TNA is a business. Yes Jeff Hardy sells. But not firing him after that sh** he pulled is not good business. Normally, I would agree. But TNA is in no position to take moral stances on their biggest draw. It makes them look bad as a business, no matter how big a draw he is. Any other company, not just a wrestling company, would have made the right decision if one of their biggest employees did something like Jeff did. He publically made an embarassment of himself and TNA. Were they at fault for allowing him to work the PPV still? Yes. But they are also at fault for not cutting ties with him because of it. That would have been the right decision.
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Post by deskjet on Aug 23, 2011 16:51:16 GMT -5
Normally, I would agree. But TNA is in no position to take moral stances on their biggest draw. It makes them look bad as a business, no matter how big a draw he is. Any other company, not just a wrestling company, would have made the right decision if one of their biggest employees did something like Jeff did. He publically made an embarassment of himself and TNA. We they at fault for allowing him to work the PPV still? Yes. But they are also at fault for not cutting ties with him because of it. That would have been the right decision. Right decisions and TNA haven't been used in the same sentence together since Hogan/bischoff took over. This companies ed themselves so many times, i don't think anyone would be surprised by what they do. If Tna gave two craps about anything remotely close to running a decent business, they'd fire half their roster on the spot. Jeff jarret's racism, the constant heel and face turns, Ey still being employed, and carrying around the tv title, which is never defended. people not being able to live offa tna packcheck while a 50 year old cripple sits on his ass all day and collect what most wrestlers would make in a lifetime? TNA is bad business. One right isn't gonna change the image they've created for themsleves.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2011 16:54:49 GMT -5
It makes them look bad as a business, no matter how big a draw he is. Any other company, not just a wrestling company, would have made the right decision if one of their biggest employees did something like Jeff did. He publically made an embarassment of himself and TNA. We they at fault for allowing him to work the PPV still? Yes. But they are also at fault for not cutting ties with him because of it. That would have been the right decision. Right decisions and TNA haven't been used in the same sentence together since Hogan/bischoff took over. This companies ed themselves so many times, i don't think anyone would be surprised by what they do. If Tna gave two poops about anything remotely close to running a decent business, they'd fire half their roster on the spot. Jeff jarret's racism, the constant heel and face turns, Ey still being employed, and carrying around the tv title, which is never defended. people not being able to live offa tna packcheck while a 50 year old cripple sits on his ass all day and collect what most wrestlers would make in a lifetime? TNA is bad business. One right isn't gonna change the image they've created for themsleves. Yeah but this isn't about storyline problems or bad booking. It's about keeping Jeff Hardy. What happened with him wasn't part of some story or gimmick. It was a wrestler showing up too intoxicated to be allowed out there. Everyone can run to blame Hogan, because he probably is behind a lot of the storyline problems, but I highly doubt he is the sole reason Jeff still has his job.
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Post by deskjet on Aug 23, 2011 16:57:12 GMT -5
Right decisions and TNA haven't been used in the same sentence together since Hogan/bischoff took over. This companies ed themselves so many times, i don't think anyone would be surprised by what they do. If Tna gave two poops about anything remotely close to running a decent business, they'd fire half their roster on the spot. Jeff jarret's racism, the constant heel and face turns, Ey still being employed, and carrying around the tv title, which is never defended. people not being able to live offa tna packcheck while a 50 year old cripple sits on his ass all day and collect what most wrestlers would make in a lifetime? TNA is bad business. One right isn't gonna change the image they've created for themsleves. Yeah but this isn't about storyline problems or bad booking. It's about keeping Jeff Hardy. What happened with him wasn't part of some story or gimmick. It was a wrestler showing up too intoxicated to be allowed out there. Everyone can run to blame Hogan, because he probably is behind a lot of the storyline problems, but I highly doubt he is the sole reason Jeff still has his job. I agree, the right decison woulda been to can Jeff. any NORMAL company woulda done so. And that's my point.
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