EMW Figure Shelf
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Post by EMW Figure Shelf on Oct 13, 2011 23:55:05 GMT -5
Mattel needs to calm the hell down!!!!! I need to vent on this because it is very annoying. EG's didn't sell well so they pulled them. same with Legends (sort of) and now DM. People talked about Mattel pulling the plug on stuff but damn...this is just sad.......Seriously how many lines are you gonna change as long as you have this deal?!
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Post by Warrior on Oct 14, 2011 0:19:54 GMT -5
There's nothing more left to say, all i can say now about Mattel is they are indeed a "Legend Killer" aka Randy Orton :S
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EMW Figure Shelf
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HAHAHAHA no.
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Post by EMW Figure Shelf on Oct 14, 2011 0:29:04 GMT -5
There's nothing more left to say, all i can say now about Mattel is they are indeed a "Legend Killer" aka Randy Orton :S I'd say so lol  |
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Post by juicewinslow on Oct 14, 2011 0:44:02 GMT -5
I know people are disappointed, but it's pretty clear why these things are happening.
Even though they are awesome figures, they are all shelfwarmers. That's just how it is.
DM's and EG's are actually pretty bad ideas to be honest with ya. Especially DM's. Figures of that caliber and price should be online exclusives or something.
I'm still excited about WWE Mattel personally.
Things to look forward to:
Flashbacks
Legends in the Heritage Series
2-packs now have accessories
Legends still available online
Sounds good to me.
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Post by Matt Hardy Collector on Oct 14, 2011 2:02:24 GMT -5
I know people are disappointed, but it's pretty clear why these things are happening. Even though they are awesome figures, they are all shelfwarmers. That's just how it is. DM's and EG's are actually pretty bad ideas to be honest with ya. Especially DM's. Figures of that caliber and price should be online exclusives or something. I'm still excited about WWE Mattel personally. Things to look forward to: Flashbacks Legends in the Heritage Series 2-packs now have accessories Legends still available online Sounds good to me. But they are making rumblers that clog the pegs and the flex force neither of which has been cancelled. Rumblers are ok but they are going way overboard with the Mysterios in that line, but the Flex force is just a horrid eye sore and I don't understand why they haven't been cancelled. Flex Force is aimed at kids but that line is poison and it really needs to go, they are going out their way to sell to kids but the collectors are getting screwed. |
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Post by juicewinslow on Oct 14, 2011 3:00:25 GMT -5
I know people are disappointed, but it's pretty clear why these things are happening. Even though they are awesome figures, they are all shelfwarmers. That's just how it is. DM's and EG's are actually pretty bad ideas to be honest with ya. Especially DM's. Figures of that caliber and price should be online exclusives or something. I'm still excited about WWE Mattel personally. Things to look forward to: Flashbacks Legends in the Heritage Series 2-packs now have accessories Legends still available online Sounds good to me. But they are making rumblers that clog the pegs and the flex force neither of which has been cancelled. Rumblers are ok but they are going way overboard with the Mysterios in that line, but the Flex force is just a horrid eye sore and I don't understand why they haven't been cancelled. Flex Force is aimed at kids but that line is poison and it really needs to go, they are going out their way to sell to kids but the collectors are getting screwed. I don't really understand how FlexForce is still around either. |
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Post by Walker PWA on Oct 14, 2011 3:25:34 GMT -5
Why is flexforce still around? oh gee, I don't know, maybe because they're getting great profit from kids on cheaply made figures?
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Post by juicewinslow on Oct 14, 2011 3:37:23 GMT -5
Why is flexforce still around? oh gee, I don't know, maybe because they're getting great profit from kids on cheaply made figures? They don't sell at all where I am... and from what I understand, it's like this everywhere. So I believe you are wrong despite what Mattel may tell us. They also told us DM figures were doing great, for the record. |
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Post by GrimKid on Oct 14, 2011 4:33:00 GMT -5
flex force sells well by me, and is more often restocked than any other line of WWE
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2011 8:39:47 GMT -5
The DM and The Legends line both were cancelled due to poor success. FACT
QUESTION; Why were they unsuccessful? Who will own up to it? Are wrestling fans ready to drop an extra $10 on clothing accessories for their figures? Even in a market that claims the $16 price tag of legends were too much?
Do wrestling fans want less popular versions of their favorite stars? Like in outfits they rarely wore? Do fans want 2 iron sheiks in a row or the entire series 1 of legends re-released in a diffeent package? Or do they want guys like brian pillman before andre the giant?
Well apparently we voted w our wallets
I'm ok with DM's being scrapped, they shouldn't have been done in the first place. They took away from the legends line as far as I'm concerned. They should have just started with legends and stuck with it and added more lines as it got more success. I've said it before and ill say it again, Mattel make the best toys but the worst decisions.
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Post by Nivro™ on Oct 14, 2011 8:41:30 GMT -5
Mattel needs to calm down??? LOL kettle meet pot
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Oct 14, 2011 9:00:26 GMT -5
Mattel needs to calm down??? LOL kettle meet pot Well said. People keep forgetting that Mattel is a business, not a charity dedicated to making toys for hardcore collectors of wrestling toys. The reason Flexforce is sticking around and Defining Moments isn't is simple -- Flexforce makes enough money to warrant being produced, Defining Moments doesn't. What other possible reason do people think is behind it? A conspiracy?  I just hope the Cena/Bret series makes it to retail. |
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Post by Bandalero on Oct 14, 2011 9:13:57 GMT -5
I agree with Apoc though, Mattel has made some bone-headed decisions that have resulted in poor sales. At the risk of Boss Bill coming in here and blaming us again, maybe they need to revisit their marketing strategy ~ do some honest-to-god historical market research and find out why Jakks classics worked for all those years while this Legends line tanked within a year. Apoc has actually highlighted quite a number of reasons - all very risky business decisions.
I've been reading a lot on different threads, that it's the kids that drive the sales. Maybe I'm too old at 33 to remember, but I don't recall being a 10 year old with enough disposable income from mowing lawns all summer to go out and buy an entire series of Mattel figures. In the land of retail, parents are the ones with the money.
Mattel shoots themselves in the foot with an expensive line like DM which literally canabalizes the Legends line because tell me why a stupid figure like George 'The Animal' Steele couldn't be considered DM-quality? Cloth accessory, uniquely tooled MINE doll, definitive gimmick-look. About the only thing that would make that figure more outstanding would be actual rooted chest hair! So tell me how can a consumer differentiate from a Legends figure like George with a DM figure like HBK and justify the $10 difference?
Let's put aside price point and distribution (two VERY IMPORTANT things btw) for a second. If Legends 2 pack series 1 consisted of the upcoming Rockers, Demolition, and LOD with red pads - Mattel would be in a totally different position right now. MDT would be enjoying all-inclusive vacations and VPs would be tanning on their yachts. But dumb-decision making rears it's ugly head once again.
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Post by hierosis on Oct 14, 2011 9:17:02 GMT -5
Mattel needs to calm down??? LOL kettle meet pot Well said. People keep forgetting that Mattel is a business, not a charity dedicated to making toys for hardcore collectors of wrestling toys. The reason Flexforce is sticking around and Defining Moments isn't is simple -- Flexforce makes enough money to warrant being produced, Defining Moments doesn't. What other possible reason do people think is behind it? A conspiracy? I just hope the Cena/Bret series makes it to retail. Bingo. I think that some of us (myself included) forget that our passion for collecting isn't what Mattel is looking for. It's profit. And the demographic they're trying to sell to are kids, not collectors (at least not until Legends became online exclusives). I had a feeling the DM series, which is my favorite, wouldn't last too long. No kid is going to ask for a Triple H figure in full denim on denim attire when there's a basic Randy Orton or Cena that costs half as much, of not less. I've seen them piling up in local stores and not really moving off the shelves. However, I do agree that this line should have been an online only deal catering to diehard collectors most likely to buy them. It was a marketing error. The same way the legends were. Mattel is still relatively new to this line and I expect them to make mistakes and move things around to make sure that at the end of the day, they're making a healthy profit, not worrying about satiating our desires as collectors.  |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2011 9:17:42 GMT -5
Should have just made legends only , 2 packs, hall of fame, entrance greats and dm also all failed. Maybe it was just too much of a good thing. Jakks just made singles and 2-3 packs for years until they introduced a new classic deluxe series.  if flashbacks and online also fail then I just hope we get earthquake and hercules before its all over, what about u guys? Is there anyone that hasn't been made by mattel yet that u really want ? Edit, bandy, if 2 packs were demolition, rockers and lod we would have been seeing much more 2 packs. But then now people will say "but then you would use all your big tag teams right away and have nothing but crap after" - not at all, undertaker vs mankind, hart foundation, rock and sock, andre vs warrior, macho and warrior, taker vs kane, dx, hall and nash, razor vs hbk etc etc then add in tah teams like powers of pain or power and glory... The islanders etc... I don't hate mattel one bit but really they need a chief officer in charge of what sells. Instead of boss bill saying, ya let's put tights on snuka, this guy can jump in and say no dude, that just won't do!  They really need someone to look at the wrestling business and jakks previous run and even look at the videogames of the past, who was popular? Who was in more games/magazines/ppvs? Who would bring excitement and attention to the line, with mattels kick ass figures and someone who knows what we want they would own the wrestling figure market forever All I want is for this to work, I know its a wasted effort on my part but wth right? |
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Post by Bandalero on Oct 14, 2011 9:23:26 GMT -5
Apoc, I'm willing to bet dollars-to-donuts, Flashbacks are about current guys' older gimmicks, e.g. Kane in his debut mask and Godfather as a voodoo doctor. I'm willing to bet future Flashbacks (oxymoron?) will be HBK in 90s attire, Bret Hart in variations of pink attire, Trips in all his similar black-trunks attires, etc.
Guys like Earthquake, Hercules and Dino Bravo require unique head sculpting and possibly body sculpts, and they're all dead. I don't think that's what the vision of the Flashbacks are about.
Mr. Perfect, Bam Bam, Rick Rude and Kerry Von Erich worked in a Legends line even if they are deceased. But for Flashbacks? meh, don't think so. Flashback from what?! A Mr. Perfect flashback was when he was wrestling in the AWA in blue trunks, not the two-toned wrestling singlet he's known for.
"Flashback" = a look back at a current stars' previous gimmick/attire
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2011 9:29:30 GMT -5
Ya I doubt it too but I'm truly excited to see boss man and quake and hercules, I'd mark out so hard, but I think we'll see a lot of reys, hhh's, edges like u said :/
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Post by sean™ on Oct 14, 2011 10:06:08 GMT -5
Man, I'm really glad none of you work for Mattel.
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Post by "The Perfect Ten" Mizard on Oct 14, 2011 10:08:28 GMT -5
There's nothing more left to say, all i can say now about Mattel is they are indeed a "Legend Killer" aka Randy Orton :S Randy Orton is mattel? |
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Post by The Madness on Oct 14, 2011 10:29:59 GMT -5
"Flashback" = a look back at a current stars' previous gimmick/attire You have to remember though, Mattel talked about how WWE wouldn't let them release current stars under the Legends name, and that this is a way to get those previous looks out. They never said it was only for that. After all, except for currently active guys like Rey, Kane, Regal, Goldust, and Taker, how far back can you go? I'm hoping that the Flashback name is just a way to differentiate from the line that is still available online, keep getting Legends that are guaranteed sellers to retail, and doesn't have the "no current wrestlers" restriction. I've seen people mention the Godfather thing, but he's not on the current roster. I'd bet that the Flashback thing is just Legends, under a different name, without the "no current wrestlers" restriction. That said, I'm sure they'll take full advantage of the ability to include Kane, Undertaker, HBK, HHH, Nash, Booker T, and Bret Hart. We'll probably see lots of those. Maybe this is how we'll finally get an old-school Jerry Lawler. |
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