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Post by luchafan1 on Oct 23, 2011 13:35:21 GMT -5
ok i'm back with another mindf*ck of a thread that will probably make some eyes roll , be warned ;D so i got to thinking (uh oh), what if.....what if one would decide to become a comic book fan, but solely focus on the movie/tv department of the hobby and NOT get into the actual comics themselves ? is it even possible ?? the thing is, techniclly, you could do it....even tho the comics form the basis on which everything else is build off, our heros on tv/on the moviescreen are very diffrent than their comic counterparts, for example just because you thought iron man was a fantastic film and bad a$$ hero, doesn't necesarly make you want to read his comics and being a comic freak. you would be able to skip a lot of headaches of F'd continuity issues,campy stuff and generally confusing messes, and have clear cut universes to follow and storys with proper endings. so theoreticly,i would watch any comic book movie, animated movie, live action/animated series.....and be content with that. you could pretty much become a huge batman fan from watching his movies, yet still be dissapointed if you picked up a batman comic because its so diffrent...so why not just stick with the movie version and his world and everything around it ? So ok why would you do this  well the main reason is comic books's F'ed up history and near impossible to get into series for newer readers old old readers that were out the loop for years. yesi know the whole dcnu thing right now but that's another discussion althogeter... i'm just saying, if you like the ideas of comic booksand have a general understanding, you could actually do this, it would be an affordable, easy to do way of being in the hobby...and if you want you could still buy the neat movie inspired statues/props to decorate your room. and if you really wanted to stay up to date with the comic counterparts theres till loads of websites with previews, and board to read discussions,you could still have some kind of comic book knowledge but not really get into it. nolans batverse has nothing to do with any comic book,it is self contained. and thats how it is with mostly everything, even marvels films, even tho they are more closely tied into the comics, it's still a self contained movie universe and you do not need the comics to become attrackted. i dunno why i'm writing this really....it was just a mindfart i had where i thought hmm what if one was to decide he wants to stay into comics but don't get too deeply involved. Anything that happens on the screen is based off of, but has nothing to do with the printed page, so it can be done and it might be a streamlined way of being a superhero fan lol, obviously iknow that you'd be missing out a ton of neat stuff but thats a sacrifice you choose for. |
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Post by threehgame on Oct 24, 2011 0:32:35 GMT -5
Many of the people who see the movies never pick up a comic book or even care the movies are based on an actual comic story arc. I have many friends that went back and started to read the Hellboy comics after seeing the first movie, only to find them boring and lackluster compared to the movie. I saw X-Men in theaters and was blown away, at the same time I found it hard to read the comics, a series I had been reading for a decade at that point. Movies offer freshness and clarity to a series that the comics struggle to project today. I would agree it is easy to be a fan of the movies and not the comics, as well as to be a fan of the movies and never know anything about the comics.
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Post by luchafan1 on Oct 24, 2011 13:34:40 GMT -5
yeah hellboy is a good example mate, i absolutely love the movie and the athompshere, it will always be a favorite movieof mine so you'd think i'd like the comics too but i didn't, i tried to read some but could not get into it, i didn't like the artstyle, the feel , nothing, it all felt bland.
i kinda have the same thing with batman altho i DO like his comics, i haven't really kept up with the comics the last few years but when i did follow them regularly i liked them.
But, growing up my batman was tim burtons version period. the burton-verse left a huge impression on me and i absolutely fell in love with those movies, i can't tell you how many times i've watched them since then. i could never,ever get into batman comics the same way...it always felt more childish i dunno why, i missed the darkness and the athmosphere.
in more recent times we have the nolan-verse which stands on it's own as well and is a fantastic take on batman, and again, i never get the same excitement in the new comics that i did in the movies.
hell,even the old batman animated series is more awesome of definitive than any comic book ever will.
So i'd say limiting yourself to the movie/television superhero world is perfectly fine,you could easily spend a lifetime of money time just learning everything about the worlds it takes place in,and the fact that you did or didn't read comics for years is not even a factor.
the only downfall i see is that some superheros get so badly messed up in hollywood that you just know it's sad when,say, your only Daredevil is ben aflecks version or your green lantern is the flop movie.
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Post by T R W on Oct 24, 2011 13:47:06 GMT -5
I know lots of people who watch the movies and cartoons and tv shows, but don't read a single comic. It's pretty common, in fact, more common than those who do read the comics.
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Post by Lord Ragnarok on Oct 24, 2011 14:15:15 GMT -5
When it comes to Marvel, I only watch the movies and shows and stuff. I never read the source material like I do with DC.
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Post by k5 on Oct 24, 2011 15:33:01 GMT -5
i'd say that's the majority of super hero 'fans'. it just makes for an inaccurate idea of who the characters are and events, just as if you compared someone who had read a novel that was converted to movies. details are skipped, things are generalized, people are revisioned to fit the collective idea of what certain things are, such as attraction.
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Post by k5 on Oct 24, 2011 15:43:58 GMT -5
and JESUS  ING CHRIST if you liked hellboy's movies more than the novels, that's just scary. the movies are goddam terrible. |
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Post by chumped on Oct 24, 2011 17:37:36 GMT -5
and JESUS ING CHRIST if you liked hellboy's movies more than the novels, that's just scary. the movies are goddam terrible. hahaha, so true. Mignola is a genius - that entire universe is some of the best comics you can read. |
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Post by Kurt Burton: Script Doctor! on Oct 24, 2011 21:48:20 GMT -5
and JESUS ING CHRIST if you liked hellboy's movies more than the novels, that's just scary. the movies are goddam terrible. Different strokes for different folks. I can see for instance, how someone could not like the Hellboy comics, as opposed to the movies. I can see the argument for people who like the comics more than the movies. Relax, and pop a chill pill. |
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Post by threehgame on Oct 24, 2011 23:38:59 GMT -5
and JESUS ING CHRIST if you liked hellboy's movies more than the novels, that's just scary. the movies are goddam terrible. I love the look of the comics and the pacing, but the folklore and mythology is way off. It gets very distracting when the legend or folklore is so far out of whack. |
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Post by luchafan1 on Oct 25, 2011 9:15:09 GMT -5
well yes obviously the movies generalise a lot of stuff that is a lot more detailed in the actual comics, that's unfortunatly a flaw but then again, you just can't put every little thing in a movie, and with a lot of little details only the hardcore geeks really care anyway. the advantage in movies to me is that everything comes to life much better, visually a drawing in a comic book will never be as impressive as something living/breething on screen...it's easier to relate to the worlds and get charmed by the characters. i still don't know why people dislike the hellboy movies so much,specially the first one, it had such an interesting look and charm about it, and the action scenes were done beautifully. this is probably a case of me not really knowing the comics so not noticing the "mistakes",but as a comic book movie, it left me more than satisfied and i rewatched it multiple times. i'm sure the storys in the novels are very intresting and detailed but it felt too....cold ? for lack of a better word, when i picked one up long ago, i just didn't get half as excited as i did in the movie  i'll add that i did also like the animated movies,they captured that movie feeling again while still beeing very diffrent. |
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Post by k5 on Oct 25, 2011 10:28:43 GMT -5
and JESUS ING CHRIST if you liked hellboy's movies more than the novels, that's just scary. the movies are goddam terrible. Different strokes for different folks. I can see for instance, how someone could not like the Hellboy comics, as opposed to the movies. I can see the argument for people who like the comics more than the movies. Relax, and pop a chill pill. the movies are campy and a washed down version of the actual concept of hellboy. enjoying the film more than the comic, if anything, just shows the viewer's absolute enjoyment in b-rated action films with goofy, non-directional characters. it's the equivalent of the x-men film series, and someone saying it rates above the comic version. it's like, yea that may be your opinion, but overall quality distinguishes. and believe me, i'm more than relaxed there champ. |
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Post by bigjay on Oct 25, 2011 12:00:28 GMT -5
i honestly dont know how i feel about this bro.....
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Post by luchafan1 on Oct 25, 2011 12:01:27 GMT -5
maybe the movies have spoiled me i dunno, it seems like ever since comic movies made it big in hollywood, i found it hard to go back to print...i've never read any batman comic i enjoyed more than dark knight, or even the burton films,never read a hulk that intrigued me as much as the incredible hulk movie, i never read any iron man that impressed me like the movie did and i could go on....
Maybe i'm just on some burnout from comics and need to regroup..
and no i'm not some tv movie buff that doesn't apreciate comics, hell i've grown up reading comics and was the biggest nerd in town,i had buckloads of spiderman,xmen and other comics. it's almost like i want them to advance to the next stage y'know...print was good and fine but seeing it come to life feels like the next step imo, and now when i pick up a comic i'm only mildly impressed.
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Post by k5 on Oct 25, 2011 12:41:04 GMT -5
that's fair, however i cannot feel that the issue is moreso in you than the comic quality or content - there are SO MANY batman arcs/stories that are so absolutely brilliant. to compare them to the batman films is overall nonsensical and illogical, as they very much are two different things.
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Post by triplehisgod on Oct 29, 2011 15:17:57 GMT -5
hellboy movies are pretty terrible.
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