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Post by JokerFC on Mar 29, 2017 13:33:48 GMT -5
Lotta time getting devoted to Scott Steiners change in attitude......and good god The Giant was lucky Nash didn't break his neck at Souled Out 98.
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Post by natepadberg on Mar 30, 2017 21:33:52 GMT -5
man, so epic this is still going, loved seeing my comments from my old account i forgot the password to, LMAO
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Post by JokerFC on Apr 5, 2017 17:46:17 GMT -5
so as it stands heading into Superbrawl 98 which is up next.....
Sting is rarely even featured.....& savage would have beaten him on Nitro had Hogan not saved him because" he needed to be the one to beat Sting" ....OH MY GOD.....
Savage is just as guilty in the politics racket as Hogan, Hall & Nash were. Him and Hogan are the stars of the show for January & February.
Again Hart features....but WAY in the background. Will likely watch Superbrawl tomorrow and be back with thoughts. I know WCW remained red hot in the ratings for 1998 but its already quite poor TV in February. Terribly repetitive....
Booker T as TV champ is a big highlight though. His mini feud with Martel was great stuff and Ravens Flock vs Benoit and Co is another cracker.
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Post by JokerFC on Apr 10, 2017 11:17:51 GMT -5
Superbrawl 98:
The Good.
Booker T beating Martel & Saturn back to back....great stuff. DDP vs Benoit was also another highlight.
The Bad: most of the rest of the card to be honest...predictable & not helped by Schiavone & co not talking about what was going on in the ring.
Steiner breakup....very predictable and very early into the match....had much less impact than it should have. Heavily telegraphed turn of course.
Luger vs Savage....a waste really. Both men capable of MUCH better.
In between:
The Main Event.....Sting got whooped by Hogan for most of the match and Savages interference won it for him. Now the interference could have been worse because Sting seemed to have it won anyway... so at worst it wasn't needed.
Still though....his victory lacked any real dramatics.
watching the Nitro after now.....Ill report back when Ive waded through March 98.
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Post by JokerFC on Apr 13, 2017 15:47:12 GMT -5
my journey through 98 will be delayed......Ive had a total financial mega crisis and had to can my network. will be all sorted by May!!!!
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Post by jgone on Apr 13, 2017 15:55:16 GMT -5
I found Sting in 1997 to be painful. I know a lot of people loved the angle, but he didn't wrestle at all. It was just a tease, for an entire year, longer even. Then we got the crap finish from Starcade. I don't mind a slow build, but it was literally a year between matches for Sting. I dont think he was hurt either. So WCW just decided to put one of their biggest babyface draws on the burner for an entire year. I just didn't like it. Stings build that yr was phenomenal tho. That was the only part they got right.
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Post by KPnDC on Apr 19, 2017 15:22:39 GMT -5
Yikes. I'm rewatching Nitro now because I missed a lot of being a WWE fan. This sounds asinine. Crow Sting was on fire in the spring and summer of 97. I'm second guessing watching now.
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Post by JokerFC on May 6, 2017 8:31:12 GMT -5
Yikes. I'm rewatching Nitro now because I missed a lot of being a WWE fan. This sounds asinine. Crow Sting was on fire in the spring and summer of 97. I'm second guessing watching now. No go ahead & watch man......it has to be seen to be believed. The mishandling of Crow Sting & Bret Hart in 98 is truly phenomenal to observe. Instead of it becoming about them? it becomes about Hogan & Savage. One year later it would be the same.....instead of it being about Goldberg getting revenge? it would become about Hogan & Flair? ?
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Post by cordless2016 on May 14, 2017 21:20:30 GMT -5
Yikes. I'm rewatching Nitro now because I missed a lot of being a WWE fan. This sounds asinine. Crow Sting was on fire in the spring and summer of 97. I'm second guessing watching now. No go ahead & watch man......it has to be seen to be believed. The mishandling of Crow Sting & Bret Hart in 98 is truly phenomenal to observe. Instead of it becoming about them? it becomes about Hogan & Savage. One year later it would be the same.....instead of it being about Goldberg getting revenge? it would become about Hogan & Flair? ? This post best sums up why WCW fell so hard and fast. Sting and Bret were the two hottest stars in wrestling in December of '97 (Austin was the only guy who rivaled them from either company), yet within two months both of their momentum was killed. Only WCW could manage that. Then the next year, after making the huge mistake of having Goldberg lose (to Nash of all people), they focus everything on Hogan again. I get he had full creative control but they would have been better to breach the contract, paid him the rest of his contract, and got somebody in charge who knew what they were doing. It's ridiculous how WCW managed to top themselves after each bad decision, yet they did from Starcade 1998 until it's death in March of 2001.
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Post by JokerFC on May 15, 2017 5:07:17 GMT -5
You can really see the rot setting in in 1998 man. So repetitive. I will be getting the Network back in July and Ill resume watching then.....
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Post by mikey1974 on May 15, 2017 15:57:48 GMT -5
You can really see the rot setting in in 1998 man. So repetitive. I will be getting the Network back in July and Ill resume watching then..... Everything felt so . . . pointless? Like the show was just a series of events, with no real endgame in sight?
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2017 11:43:16 GMT -5
98 it was basically the same thing week after week after week.
It was getting really repetitive as you mentioned.
The name WCW was selling itself then.
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Post by JokerFC on May 16, 2017 18:40:23 GMT -5
98 it was basically the same thing week after week after week. It was getting really repetitive as you mentioned. The name WCW was selling itself then. This is it. WCW was so hot in 1998 its events were selling out and ratings through the roof due to the hotness of 96/97. We would see the effects of 98 in 99.....when people started to tune out. But in 99 things were far from beyond repair. They still had an amazing roster and their shows were still selling out like crazy. But they just couldn't right the ship....
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2017 18:45:52 GMT -5
98 it was basically the same thing week after week after week. It was getting really repetitive as you mentioned. The name WCW was selling itself then. This is it. WCW was so hot in 1998 its events were selling out and ratings through the roof due to the hotness of 96/97. We would see the effects of 98 in 99.....when people started to tune out. But in 99 things were far from beyond repair. They still had an amazing roster and their shows were still selling out like crazy. But they just couldn't right the ship.... They could have had Patterson and Johnny Ace booking in late 98 and 99 and it wouldn't have mattered. People were voting with their remotes and gave WCW what they deserved.
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Post by koreygunz on May 16, 2017 20:20:54 GMT -5
If you ignored the terrible booking and such, WCW in 1998 had a stacked roster that should have easily been able to sustain itself for years to come, and as was said they were still killing it in attendance and PPV buys. Just look at part of Halloween Havoc 1998 on paper:
Goldberg vs DDP Hogan vs Warrior #2 Bret Hart vs Sting Hall vs Nash Scott Steiner vs Rick Steiner
That's arguably 5 matches that were all talked about as "dream matches" at one time or another.
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Post by JokerFC on May 18, 2017 5:34:29 GMT -5
If you ignored the terrible booking and such, WCW in 1998 had a stacked roster that should have easily been able to sustain itself for years to come, and as was said they were still killing it in attendance and PPV buys. Just look at part of Halloween Havoc 1998 on paper: Goldberg vs DDP Hogan vs Warrior #2 Bret Hart vs Sting Hall vs Nash Scott Steiner vs Rick Steiner That's arguably 5 matches that were all talked about as "dream matches" at one time or another. They missed a huge trick @ Halloween Havoc 1998 IMHO. It should have been Warrior & Sting vs Hogan & Hart @ the PPV. Hart & Sting could have carried the match and Hogan & Warrior then made their contributions and the appropriate times. it would have been MASSIVE for them @ HH. Warriors run may not have been such a disaster if he had this experience first. BUT They have it away on tv with no build whatsoever.....LOL
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Post by The Brain on May 18, 2017 10:48:43 GMT -5
It still boggles my mind how they screwed up the Starrcade 97 ending so badly. After that mess it was easy to see why Sting was misused in 98.
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Post by blissfan4life on May 18, 2017 21:32:02 GMT -5
Hogan is just as much a poison for Wrestling as he was an heralded, iconic figure. Its because of his not wanting to go without holding the WHC For very long that Luger had a very short reign.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2017 9:21:52 GMT -5
I think Sting's passive nature hurt his character so much in late 97 and 98. I'm not blaming him, though. He just wasn't into the whole politics thing like Hogan and Co were.
That angle was money and they completely fudged it up.
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Post by mikey1974 on Jun 3, 2017 22:24:49 GMT -5
Hogan is just as much a poison for Wrestling as he was an heralded, iconic figure. Its because of his not wanting to go without holding the WHC For very long that Luger had a very short reign. There was a great story about this type of attitude that Flair talked about. In 1994, Hogan came in, and was booked to win the WCW World Championship from Flair. They were going to have a 3 match series - Hogan wins the title at Bash at the Beach, Flair wins it back at Clash of Champions, and they'd have the rubber match at Halloween Havoc where Hogan would win the Belt back for good. So the first match went as planned. Flair gets to the arena the day of the Clash, and is told Hogan is keeping the Belt. Flair seeks out Hogan, and asks him why. Hogan said that "the fans weren't ready for him to lose the Belt", and that merchandise sales for Hogan stuff were still high. Flair said that would make their rubber match at Havoc meaningless then, so as a consilation they let Flair win via countout, and tried to make the Havoc match meaningful again by making it a loser retires match. Flair, rightfully, said people would crap all over this, and not care because : A) it would already be established twice that Flair couldn't beat Hogan for the Belt, so no one would believe he could do it on the 3rd try. B) Hogan just came in like 5 months earlier. NO ONE would believe he could possibly have to retire already. ... and Flair was right - the buy rates went down significantly for Halloween Havoc 1994.
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