homeslice1998
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Post by homeslice1998 on May 29, 2012 15:13:45 GMT -5
1 - Revive the US title. Our Champion is a fool wrestling ring announcers. And everyone loves it. Watching Santino face Ricardo was like watching something you would see on a cartoon.
2 - Bring some young talent/newer guys on TV. Tensi defeated CM punk in a handicap match, since then we havent seen him on raw or smackdown in 2 or 3 weeks. Also I want to see Trent Barreta and Curt Hawkins go at it for the US or IC title. Those to are awesome in the ring. And and my last final request I will kill for this.
#WEWANTCRUISERWEIGHTSBACK ;D
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Post by jaymieandrogyny on May 29, 2012 15:40:00 GMT -5
1. Santino is very over, and comedic wrestling matches have existed since the dawn of time. They're great in small doses. I personally enjoyed it.
2. Tensai isn't new and he's not young. Currently on TV we've got Darren Young, Titus O' Neal, The Usos, Kofi Kingston, Daniel Bryan, Brodus Clay, Sheamus, Antonio Cesaro, Alberto Del Rio, Hunico, Camacho, Damien Sandow, Cody Rhodes, Primo, Epico, Justin Gabriel, Jack Swagger, Zack Ryder, Ryback, Tyson Kidd, and Yoshi Tatsu. All young and fairly new guys.
Not sure where you're going with any of this.
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Post by DontHassleTheHoff on May 29, 2012 15:51:49 GMT -5
1. Santino is very over, and comedic wrestling matches have existed since the dawn of time. They're great in small doses. I personally enjoyed it. 2. Tensai isn't new and he's not young. Currently on TV we've got Darren Young, Titus O' Neal, The Usos, Kofi Kingston, Daniel Bryan, Brodus Clay, Sheamus, Antonio Cesaro, Alberto Del Rio, Hunico, Camacho, Damien Sandow, Cody Rhodes, Primo, Epico, Justin Gabriel, Jack Swagger, Zack Ryder, Ryback, Tyson Kidd, and Yoshi Tatsu. All young and fairly new guys. Not sure where you're going with any of this. Yeah pretty much. I'm sure we will see a more serious US champ soon enough and there is only so many new guys you can throw into the mix before they just get lost in the shuffle. Word is the cruiserweights may be coming back for a show on the WWE network when it launches.
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Post by punksnotdead on May 29, 2012 16:00:32 GMT -5
1. Santino is very over, and comedic wrestling matches have existed since the dawn of time. They're great in small doses. I personally enjoyed it. 2. Tensai isn't new and he's not young. Currently on TV we've got Darren Young, Titus O' Neal, The Usos, Kofi Kingston, Daniel Bryan, Brodus Clay, Sheamus, Antonio Cesaro, Alberto Del Rio, Hunico, Camacho, Damien Sandow, Cody Rhodes, Primo, Epico, Justin Gabriel, Jack Swagger, Zack Ryder, Ryback, Tyson Kidd, and Yoshi Tatsu. All young and fairly new guys. Not sure where you're going with any of this. Santino is not used in small doses, which therein lies the problem. He is a giant joke as the US Champion, regardless if you giggle at him or not. The midcard titles need to be used to elevate guys. Even if the US Title is a prop, which it definitely is at this point, it does nothing for Santino and Santino brings nothing to the belt. Kids are going to clap like hyenas for that idiot regardless of him having the title or not because he is the proverbial underdog. WWE hasn't "made" a star in years, this isn't 1995 but they continue to operate well behind the context of a 2012 society. Your 2nd point is completely valid, on some level, but I think it's more relevant when geared towards Smackdown as opposed to Raw, where WWE has the luxury of testing stuff out and seeing if it sticks. I personally don't have a problem with this, as it serves as a refreshing alternative to a Raw show that has been insanely boring for the last several weeks imo. Rather than introduce more new guys, outside of Rollins and Ambrose of course, I would like to see WWE actually create storylines for their midcard talent and build a young heel up to actually win matches and just be good. Either way, the Santino philosophy is a glaring problem with the current WWE landscape imo.
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Post by @.@ Hempsterdance @.@ on May 29, 2012 16:07:02 GMT -5
I love Santino, He has amazing potential and can be built up in anyway.
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Post by punksnotdead on May 29, 2012 16:10:57 GMT -5
I love Santino, He has amazing potential and can be built up in anyway. How? Like seriously, how would you take a current day Santino who people only care about because he is portrayed as completely incapable, and elevate him to the next level and have him stick. He would be good for a Usual Suspects type title win, but once he won he would never hang around because you can't continue to be an underdog if you continue to win, ask John Cena. But by all means, I would love to hear how you would fantasy book it over the next 6 months.
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Post by King Silva on May 29, 2012 16:28:40 GMT -5
I totally agree that Santino needs to lose the US title asap. I hope it happens soon.
I also agree with your statement about cruiserweights. I can't wait for them to come back [hopefully with a belt].
As far as Tensai I don't care for him. Trent and Hawkins are likely never going to be champs especially singles champs so don't get your hopes up.. If they are going to debut someone new it should be Rollins imo. Ambrose would be awesome too but Rollins is my first choice.
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Post by jaymieandrogyny on May 29, 2012 16:30:25 GMT -5
I'm just remembering that short time before he won the US Title, where he really stepped it up, got in main event matches, wrestled like a pro wrestler should, and got the crowd behind him. This board loved him, too.
I get it. He does the Road Runner and Wile E. Coyote schtick, and has a ridiculous finisher, and for the most part is a comedy act. But when it's time to step it up and actually wrestle, he's proved he can do that just as well.
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Post by HugoOne on May 29, 2012 16:46:23 GMT -5
Santino is fantastic. The problem is if they want him as US Champion, they should treat him like it. The US Championship SHOULD be prestigious, but Del Rio treated the belt and the Champion as an after thought. There are a million other guys on NXT or FCW that could have been taken out by Del Rio and accomplished the same thing.
But the thing is, there's no real prestige in lower-titles anymore, and barely any in the World Championships. They don't mean as much as they used to. The more into the entertainment side of the business that the WWE goes, the less the belts means. They're just props at this point.
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Post by jaymieandrogyny on May 29, 2012 21:45:31 GMT -5
Santino is fantastic. The problem is if they want him as US Champion, they should treat him like it. The US Championship SHOULD be prestigious, but Del Rio treated the belt and the Champion as an after thought. There are a million other guys on NXT or FCW that could have been taken out by Del Rio and accomplished the same thing. But the thing is, there's no real prestige in lower-titles anymore, and barely any in the World Championships. They don't mean as much as they used to. The more into the entertainment side of the business that the WWE goes, the less the belts means. They're just props at this point. Totally agreed.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2012 22:00:41 GMT -5
I agree with bringing the cruiserweight belt back. That or you could call it the light heavyweight belt so you could include some of the guys that aren't really cruiserweights but aren't heavyweights either, like Kofi Kingston. The only problem with that is the mid card is not being built at all. There's no kind of storylines going on for the most part. I think getting rid of the divas entirely and bringing back the CW/LHW belt would be a good thing if they built up the lower-mid card. And those belts don't even have to be held by a superstar. You don't have to have a guy that can talk the fans into he seats. They jsut have to put on good matches, be entertaining and have a decent little feud. No one was tuning in to see Gillberg, Jeff Hardy, or Taka Michinoku's mic skills. Dean Malenko wasn't a great talker and wasn't full of charisma but all those guys were either entertaining or could put on a memorable match. Plus it helped build guys like Christian and X-Pac. I think if creative will start looking long term and more big picture than "what can we do to keep Cena in the main event without the belt" it will help the overall product. Maybe hire a separate creative team or something to focus on the mid card guys.
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Post by MacReady on May 29, 2012 22:07:34 GMT -5
Somebody cue the 1 minute montage of Russian Santino doing a few wrestling holds for the "Santino is amazing in the ring but WWE doesn't let him show it" crowd.
I like Santino for what he is, he's comedic relief. He serves his purpose, and he's over because of it. Let him keep the belt for a while, he wrestles when he has to, he jokes when he has to; he's got a good balance.
And Tensai sucks. And isn't young by any meaning of the word.
Cruiserweights, in the current state of WWE, would flounder, they'd get a match a week, no substantial storylines, and basically get lost in the shuffle of John Cena V whoever.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2012 22:12:47 GMT -5
I would rather see Santino vs. Ricardo Rodriguez in a 2 hour Iron Man match than to see Tensai do anything on my TV.
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Post by Chip on May 29, 2012 22:21:40 GMT -5
I'm sorry but Santino is a great comedy character, not a great wrestler or champion. He literally does the same schtick in EVERY match. The same 4-5 moves and almost nothing else....then the cobra. The cobra is literally the worst finishing maneuver in the history of pro wrestling. I would be utterly embarassed as a professional wrestler if i had to take the pin after being hit with that ridiculous move. It's fine for a set up, gets a cheap pop and was funny the first 30 times he did it.....but for anyone to actually believe a professional wrestler would be out for 10 seconds from a crapty strike to the neck? gimme a in' break
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Post by jaymieandrogyny on May 29, 2012 22:27:32 GMT -5
Somebody cue the 1 minute montage of Russian Santino doing a few wrestling holds for the "Santino is amazing in the ring but WWE doesn't let him show it" crowd. I like Santino for what he is, he's comedic relief. He serves his purpose, and he's over because of it. Let him keep the belt for a while, he wrestles when he has to, he jokes when he has to; he's got a good balance. To be fair, they've let him show it a handful of times. Especially the time in-between Royal Rumble and Elimination Chamber if I remember correctly.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2012 22:30:43 GMT -5
I'm sorry but Santino is a great comedy character, not a great wrestler or champion. He literally does the same schtick in EVERY match. The same 4-5 moves and almost nothing else....then the cobra. The cobra is literally the worst finishing maneuver in the history of pro wrestling. I would be utterly embarassed as a professional wrestler if i had to take the pin after being hit with that ridiculous move. It's fine for a set up, gets a cheap pop and was funny the first 30 times he did it.....but for anyone to actually believe a professional wrestler would be out for 10 seconds from a crapty strike to the neck? gimme a in' break It's like Umaga's samoan spike move, except he was supposed to be billed as a bad ass, which Santino is not. What's worse, Santino's cobra or the heart punch?
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Post by Darkhawk on May 30, 2012 0:07:36 GMT -5
Apparently in the WWE there are too many new comers who are being pushed more than WWE current superstars. It's stupid how their current superstars are in a losing streak while the new comers have squash matches and have an undefeated streak. WWE just stop.Awful
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Post by "The Visionary" Eldniw on May 30, 2012 0:48:52 GMT -5
But the thing is, there's no real prestige in lower-titles anymore, and barely any in the World Championships. They don't mean as much as they used to. The more into the entertainment side of the business that the WWE goes, the less the belts means. They're just props at this point. THIS!!! This, right here, proves my point! People got so offended at the suggestion of Jerry Lawler getting a WWE Title run, and brought up the legacy and the lineage of the title [and other titles were brought up too]. But right here, in this thread, we are right back to the "The belts have no meaning anymore" schtick. MAKE UP YOUR MINDS PEOPLE!!!!! Do the titles have prestige or not? Jeez....... And I apologize for being off the topic at hand. To be on topic: For #1: I enjoy Santino. Have since 2008, with Glamarella. He's comedic relief, he does his job. He would have NEVER gotten over with that Russian stuff. And #2: The roster is full of newer guys getting pushed. Dunno where you got that one.
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Post by mizanin on May 30, 2012 4:39:21 GMT -5
I'm not worried about the US title just yet. Their main focus should be on reviving the Tag division. I like what they are doing with Titus/Young, hopefully they can continue to develop new tag teams instead of throwing random people together each week.
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Post by MacReady on May 30, 2012 7:49:05 GMT -5
Somebody cue the 1 minute montage of Russian Santino doing a few wrestling holds for the "Santino is amazing in the ring but WWE doesn't let him show it" crowd. I like Santino for what he is, he's comedic relief. He serves his purpose, and he's over because of it. Let him keep the belt for a while, he wrestles when he has to, he jokes when he has to; he's got a good balance. To be fair, they've let him show it a handful of times. Especially the time in-between Royal Rumble and Elimination Chamber if I remember correctly. Oh I agree, he was ing AWESOME in the Elimination Chamber match, I was just more poking fun at people who use that video as a reference point for how good Santino is.
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