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Post by Ultimate Figure Collector on Dec 8, 2012 20:46:13 GMT -5
I was recently watching The Self Destruction Of The Ultimate Warrior and something that caught my eye was during the DVD when they discuss his 1996 return they show a flyer that has advertised as the WWF Champion defending against Vader. I believe the Flyer was in June of that year.
Now I've heard nothing about Ultimate Warrior possibly getting a run with the title. I just figured he was used as a big name to face mid card heels. I know before he left he was suppose to tag with HBK & Ahmed to face Camp Cornette but as far as I know the plan was always for HBK vs Vader at SummerSlam 1996.
Has anyone heard anything about this? Was Warrior planned to win the title? No angles at the time point to it at all.
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Post by Nivro™ on Dec 8, 2012 20:57:23 GMT -5
I saw it too the first time I watched the DVD but Ive still to this day heard any factual info on why he was listed like that. WWF was pretty set on letting HBK run with the title at that point, I couldnt see them dropping the title off of their top face and putting it on a guy that's been gone for 4-5 years.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2012 5:07:22 GMT -5
yeah I have often wondered about that too........but I agree that it would have been unlikely for him to be champ in 96.
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Post by mikey1974 on Dec 9, 2012 7:00:54 GMT -5
I've actually heard rumors that Vince was planning on having Vader drop the Belt to Warrior shortly after winning it,as he was panicked because WCW was completely overtaking him while HBK was Champ with the nWo angle,and felt the Warrior on top might give him the "pop" he needed to get back in the game,since he was a popular,well-known name from the past.
Vader was never going to be a long-term Champ,just a matter of who he was going to drop it to. and apparently,despite his promises to HBK, Vince was planning on screwing him over too! makes me wonder if that's why HBK refused to drop the Belt at SummerSlam, knowing he might possibly NOT get it back! of course it was all a moot point cause Warrior was gone by August anyway...
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Dec 9, 2012 10:38:38 GMT -5
That advertisement on the DVD was never real. It was created/doctored for the DVD to make Warrior look worse for no-showing events.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2012 11:33:55 GMT -5
Warrior's booking from the Royal Rumble he lost the title to every storyline afterwards is some of the worst booking ever. The only noteworthy things were his match against Savage and his return against HHH.
Feuding with Papa Shango... And a countout win over Goldust, seriously?
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Post by koreygunz on Dec 9, 2012 15:02:50 GMT -5
I heard rumors that they were considering a Warrior heel turn in the summer of 96 to have him feud with HBK
There were also rumors that they wanted to turn him heel in the summer of 92 in his angle with Macho Man but Warrior refused.
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Post by hbkjason on Dec 9, 2012 16:37:38 GMT -5
Again this is pure rumour, but I remember back in 96 when Sid won the title that there was a rumour that if warrior had not been fired he would have won the title at survivor series instead of Sid. Again it's just a rumour, but Sid did replace warrior in the 6 man tag match at in your house international incident.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2012 19:23:00 GMT -5
Again this is pure rumour, but I remember back in 96 when Sid won the title that there was a rumour that if warrior had not been fired he would have won the title at survivor series instead of Sid. Again it's just a rumour, but Sid did replace warrior in the 6 man tag match at in your house international incident. I thought that it was really supposed to be Vader getting the title shot at Survivor Series and not Sid. I remember at the ppv the month before, Vader vs. Sid happened in a #1 contender match for the belt. And I believe I heard somewhere that Vader did something around that time to feck up his chance at being champion. Maybe that's why that random Survivor Series elimination match happened with Vader's team vs. Yokozuna's team then. |
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Post by mikey1974 on Dec 9, 2012 20:35:22 GMT -5
yeah, i remember the story was that,after HBK's jettisoning of Vader going over at SummerSlam ( and Vader holding it til the Rumble,where he'd drop it back to HBK), the NEW plan was for Vader to win it at Survivor Series, and then job out to Michaels. suppossedly Michaels put the kibosh on this plan as well, leading to Sid becoming the #1 contender and winning the title instead.
Shawn Michaels REALLY hated Vader!
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Post by ellisd on Dec 10, 2012 0:38:06 GMT -5
Again this is pure rumour, but I remember back in 96 when Sid won the title that there was a rumour that if warrior had not been fired he would have won the title at survivor series instead of Sid. Again it's just a rumour, but Sid did replace warrior in the 6 man tag match at in your house international incident. Also, I think I read somewhere that it was originally gonna be Warrior vs Bulldog at SummerSlam, and Sid also took Warrior's spot in that one. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2012 2:29:17 GMT -5
I would believe that Vince would have tried anything and everything to overtake the WCW at that point that by having Warrior get the belt back he was hoping for the much needed rejuvenation in the promotion. As one-sided as the DVD is, he does make a good point that the wrestling fan has a long-term memory for classic characters from years past, and Warrior was as classic as it comes. .
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2012 3:35:34 GMT -5
Glad it didn't happen. Warrior's return was a disaster.
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Post by LeighD on Dec 10, 2012 7:51:35 GMT -5
I think the original plan (involving Warrior) was something like this:
- Warrior involved in 6-Man Tag team match at IYH
- HBK drops the belt to Vader at SummerSlam
- Warrior to face Bulldog at SummerSlam
- Warrior wins belt from Vader at Survivor Series
However, once Warrior left I think the plans changed to:
- Sid replaces Warrior in 6-man tag and Bulldog match at Summerslam
- HBK drops belt to Vader at SummerSlam (but was changed to Survivor Series)
- Vader drops belt back to HBK at Rumble
- Bret wins title from HBK at WrestleMania
But once HBK's dislike for Vader came or whatever, it became what it was.
This is what seems like possible scenarios based off of what i read and what was happening in the WWF in 1996.
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Post by cordless2016 on Dec 10, 2012 10:44:53 GMT -5
HBK was simply a spotlight hog. Vader wasn't the only one Shawn refused to put over as he did the same to Bret in 1997 and almost refused to put Austin over at WM14, even with a broken friggin back. The guy had serious personal problems and it amazes me that Vince gave him so much backstage power back then. If I were Vince, the first sign that I got that Shawn refused to put anyone over, I'd have taken the title off of him fast and not put it back on him unless his attitude seriously changed.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2012 11:06:35 GMT -5
HBK was simply a spotlight hog. Vader wasn't the only one Shawn refused to put over as he did the same to Bret in 1997 and almost refused to put Austin over at WM14, even with a broken friggin back. The guy had serious personal problems and it amazes me that Vince gave him so much backstage power back then. If I were Vince, the first sign that I got that Shawn refused to put anyone over, I'd have taken the title off of him fast and not put it back on him unless his attitude seriously changed. Likely would have happened years earlier, but judging by the climate in 1996 Vince couldn't have done that lest he fold up the company big time back then. For that year, the business hung on Shawn and Bret's back, especially since Nash and Hall were gone , Austin wasn't yet developed, Triple H hadn't locked into "Game" mode. I do like thinking of that what if scenario tho |
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Post by Randolph J 'Hurricane' Spencer on Dec 10, 2012 11:26:02 GMT -5
That advertisement on the DVD was never real. It was created/doctored for the DVD to make Warrior look worse for no-showing events. Bingo |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2012 12:05:04 GMT -5
That advertisement on the DVD was never real. It was created/doctored for the DVD to make Warrior look worse for no-showing events. sounds VERY likely to me. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2012 12:14:49 GMT -5
HBK was simply a spotlight hog. Vader wasn't the only one Shawn refused to put over as he did the same to Bret in 1997 and almost refused to put Austin over at WM14, even with a broken friggin back. The guy had serious personal problems and it amazes me that Vince gave him so much backstage power back then. If I were Vince, the first sign that I got that Shawn refused to put anyone over, I'd have taken the title off of him fast and not put it back on him unless his attitude seriously changed. Yeah there are a lot of people that suffered from Shawn not putting them over. He was supposed to lose the IC title to Tatanka at WM9, Dean Douglas, Owen Hart, Bret Hart, Vader and he tried it with Austin and countless others. Quite frankly Vince should have never trusted him with ANY title. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2012 12:21:19 GMT -5
But, and this is the same reasoning I always have when it comes to Hogan's backstage games, the payoff and gamble of Shawn's ego was huge. That same refusal to put others over may have just been a holdover from when he was struggling himself and knew that you have to play those crapty backstage locker room games just to get by. The only times I think Vince bit off more than he could chew was when it came to Warrior.
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