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Post by Prophet of Ash on Dec 2, 2012 22:11:15 GMT -5
Oh boo ing hoo, you lost a match in a barely surviving message board e-fed. You win 90% of the time. If it's only fun for you to win all of the time, off. Even if you legitimately think your piece was better, this isn't a case like you always get screwed and keep losing matches. Get over yourself. do you have some sort of reading comprehension problem, or are you just trying to pick a fight? My gripe is that I apparently did something wrong with the roleplays I turned in, yet no one actually said what. I could go off on a rant, say a bunch of curse words, and say something mean back to you since you've apparently got an issue with me, but truth be told.. I had to look up what character you even represent. So I could " off", and then where would the WFWF be? An even more dying federation, without a world champion and with even less quality roleplayers? What true motivation do I have to stick around, truthfully? I win 90% of the time, have held the World title for almost a full year, have pretty much done it all here, and am in the Hall of Fame, twice. Why exactly SHOULD I stick around here?
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Post by Mr. PerpetuaLynch Motion on Dec 3, 2012 3:40:12 GMT -5
I can agree with the idea of a voting committee not being strictly necessary outside of say title matches. It never seemed like we needed people to vote before, the owners were generally pretty capable of picking winners and losers...
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Post by bad guy™ on Dec 3, 2012 10:05:24 GMT -5
In a nutshell, some decent new guy who was actually only was here for about four shows, bitched that the owners had too much power and didn't want to stick around in the WFWF with that structure, and when he did that, it happened to be a week when me and Ace voted Schneider the champion, which fractured the entire WFWF because half of the WFWF agreed with us that he won, and half disagreed and thought that Kyzer won. It was a stupidly close match, but naturally, issues were now out there. The latter party pretty much jumped on the voting committee bandwagon, and Ace and I (admittedly very reluctantly given we were the first set of owners since the WFWF's inception to lose the one power every owner's had without question for ten years man) went along with it, figuring it would appease the masses, save time and would prevent future issues like this from arising. Well, no one is happy with it, it's the main reason the results are so slow and we still got a call that not everyone agrees with.
This committee system's broken. Naturally, I'd like to think me and Trace are smart enough to decide which piece is written better from show to show, but it wasn't that long ago that half of the WFWF was calling for Ace and me to be strung up by out balls for making the "wrong call" while the other half was willing to get strung up with us. So...I guess majority will rule on this, I'm not about to piss off half of the WFWF again, and I think Trace would agree with that and such. Haha.
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Post by Rated R on Dec 3, 2012 10:46:52 GMT -5
Pretty much what Shawn said, especially the bit about not wanting to be strung up by my balls.
With the voting committee I'll say the same thing I said to Shawn and Ace when it was first put into place. I like the idea behind it, it gets a wider range of opinions and it means people don't really have an argument for bias or whatever, but in practice it does more harm than good. We got lucky this time round because everyone we asked to judge got back to us before the deadline, but it's been proven time and time again that it's more than likely going to hold up shows in future which was one of the main things I wanted to stop.
But like Shawn said, this is something that should be discussed. We've just had one mass walkout, don't need another.
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Post by CM Poor: DeepFigureValue on Dec 3, 2012 10:48:55 GMT -5
I don't care what you guys end up doing, because I'm only watching now, but here's a viewpoint from my perspective:
a) The voting committee idea is a mess. I've never been involved in an e-fed that had one, and never felt "hindered" by the fact that one didn't exist. I feel confident in saying its a mess because people (like myself) have been arbitrarily thrown into it without any consultation.
b) Obo - you know who I am, so don't take it incredibly personally when I say, shut up. It's hard to reply to your work because you've got such an abrasive personality sometimes that no one wants to "get into it" with you over something as petty as a minor criticism, which is, at best, all you're ever going to get if anyone ever does reply to your work because yes, you are top echelon around here. You lost an inconsequential, nothing match against Mak Cross, who's really coming into his own as a writer these days, and sometimes that counts more than the top dog who's on his game 99.9% of the time. It's how I've voted in the past. Move past it, man.
c) Good on you guys for a short turnover time. This show didn't suffer for it, because the fact is, Loaded/Revolution/whatever the "weekly" is doesn't need to have the most fleshed out undercard matches. The weekly, to me, should be more about the padding and building of stories. So seriously...
d) ...take what you've done here, run with it, get a new card out, and ditch the voting committee.
e) Anyone who wants to legitimately bitch about bitching - put your money where you mouth is and give some feedback to your peers. I don't even play here anymore and I responded to more pieces than some of you.
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Post by Markw on Dec 3, 2012 10:58:08 GMT -5
The idea of a voting committee is fine if you've got enough experienced and unbiased parties to make it work, but I don't think the WFWF has that and I think most would trust you two to make those decisions. There's clearly a problem with the system when people first find out they're part of the voting committee a day after the voting deadline, as was the case a couple of shows ago.
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Post by bad guy™ on Dec 3, 2012 11:28:32 GMT -5
Well I wouldn't say the former in the slightest, Mark. Then again, my biggest thing since I became owner has been the adocacy of the undercard and giving them the chance to step up in a big way, and guys like you, Nitta and Stone among others have really proven your worth and are worthy of judging other peoples works. I mean, it wasn't until I was nearing the end of my Malakai character when I really came into my own as an RPr and felt like I could really compete with the best the place has to offer and not get my ass handed to me on a silver platter. But I knew that even before that, I was good enough to read and decide what piece was written better, even if both writers are better writers than I am, which is partially why I became owner in the first place, because of that and my general reliability for the most part I'd say...not necessarily because I was some fabulous RPr or anything, which I'm stoll not to this day man. But I can read two books on the same topic and decide which one I thought was better, even though both authors are clearly better than I could ever wish to be as a writer, same goes with reading and judging RPs and such. Haha.
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Post by Ace Bennett on Dec 3, 2012 13:04:36 GMT -5
Good to see the show up in such a timely manner. Props for that.
My opinion is that the voting committee is what was slowing everything down and that it should be done away with. I honestly only went with it, like Shawn said, to appease the people who were calling for it. But yeah, it's great to see the place a little more active than it was previously.
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Post by Prophet of Ash on Dec 3, 2012 14:20:02 GMT -5
Good to see the show up in such a timely manner. Props for that. My opinion is that the voting committee is what was slowing everything down and that it should be done away with. I honestly only went with it, like Shawn said, to appease the people who were calling for it. But yeah, it's great to see the place a little more active than it was previously. and those people have all left the fed. The main trumpeter of the new voting committee disappeared after only a show or two with the voting committee..
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