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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2013 8:22:15 GMT -5
Is an a$$hole.
Discuss.
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Post by Joey Cush on Apr 3, 2013 11:57:15 GMT -5
Agreed.
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Post by Quanthor on Apr 3, 2013 13:11:49 GMT -5
In current society he is, but if this video existed several generations ago he wouldn't be. My parents use to tell stories about teachers slapping their hands with rulers which was common knowledge by everyone. Coaches belittled players and treated them like they were soldiers. Times have changed, it's not acceptable anymore. Everyone wants to be coddled.
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Post by Jamal on Apr 3, 2013 13:54:16 GMT -5
Good riddance.
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Post by T R W on Apr 3, 2013 14:48:37 GMT -5
If you have to resort to physical violence and name calling to coach, then you aren't a good coach. Actually, if you have to resport to that for ANYTHING, you aren't good at life.
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Post by /X Metal Sorenges x "Mac Oh J~ on Apr 3, 2013 14:51:12 GMT -5
If you have to resort to physical violence and name calling to coach, then you aren't a good coach. Actually, if you have to resport to that for ANYTHING, you aren't good at life. Tell me about it..
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Post by "Living Legend" Duttanized on Apr 3, 2013 15:30:11 GMT -5
What a douche.
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Post by HHH316 on Apr 3, 2013 18:40:06 GMT -5
He deserved to get fired. He's an embarrassment to coaching. On top of that, the AD should get canned too. The prick admitted he had seen the videos before OTL broke the story. He only fired Rice because the story blew up. If you know what's going on & continue to look the other way, you deserve your walking papers too.
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Post by the franchise on Apr 4, 2013 13:08:55 GMT -5
In current society he is, but if this video existed several generations ago he wouldn't be. My parents use to tell stories about teachers slapping their hands with rulers which was common knowledge by everyone. Coaches belittled players and treated them like they were soldiers. Times have changed, it's not acceptable anymore. Everyone wants to be coddled. I'm pretty sure it has never been appropriate for a coach to launch basketballs at any player.
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Post by Nick the Quick on Apr 4, 2013 15:23:52 GMT -5
This is getting a lot of coverage locally because he used to coach at Robert Morris (where I went to college), which is near Pittsburgh for those who don't know. I know many players who he coached there and none of them ever said a bad thing about him. They have vouched that what took place at Rutgers did not take place at Robert Morris. I am not condoning in any way what he did and believe the right action was taken. I saw an interview with him yesterday, he was very upset over what happened and feels he let his teams, his previous teams, fans, his family, and so many others down.
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Post by Quanthor on Apr 4, 2013 15:34:13 GMT -5
In current society he is, but if this video existed several generations ago he wouldn't be. My parents use to tell stories about teachers slapping their hands with rulers which was common knowledge by everyone. Coaches belittled players and treated them like they were soldiers. Times have changed, it's not acceptable anymore. Everyone wants to be coddled. I'm pretty sure it has never been appropriate for a coach to launch basketballs at any player. I'm willing to guarantee what Rice did was child's play compared to what old school coaches use to do. Bob Knight was a notorious ass, but his players loved him and he was effective..until the late generations came in. Honestly, if there's no video, there's no story. If the players had a huge issue they would have outed him a long time ago. Most have defended him. He hurled some b-balls and screamed some gay slurs. BFD. The response is like he pummeled or raped them. Not even close.
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Post by jeffro2000 on Apr 4, 2013 15:57:52 GMT -5
Not saying it is right at all, but I agree that many years ago this wouldn't have been an issue. Stuff like this happened, just like not giving players water breaks and stuff. It was dumb then, and dumber now. You don't have all the cursing and belittling in the Military now either that you had 50 yrs ago.
They thought stuff like this made you tougher back then. Maybe some of it did, but don't think throwing balls at you did. Rice obviously went full intellectually- disabled person, and the AD and Pres should be heading out the door too.
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Post by T R W on Apr 4, 2013 16:16:02 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure it has never been appropriate for a coach to launch basketballs at any player. I'm willing to guarantee what Rice did was child's play compared to what old school coaches use to do. Bob Knight was a notorious ass, but his players loved him and he was effective..until the late generations came in. Honestly, if there's no video, there's no story. If the players had a huge issue they would have outed him a long time ago. Most have defended him. He hurled some b-balls and screamed some gay slurs. BFD. The response is like he pummeled or raped them. Not even close. That might be true. But would it be ok for a manager at McDonalds to do that to their employees? What about a college calculus professor? What about a bank manager? Sure it isn't the end of the world, but also people in a position of authority can't behave that way. Those kids can't just quit and go to a different school the next day if they aren't happy with it. Should someone have to be pummeled or raped to make a big deal out of it? I'm usually on the side of people toughing it out, but this was over the line, and he deserves to be fired. It's not like it was a one time heat of the moment thing either. Bottom line is, he is a bad coach because he can't think of another way to motivate players other than being abusive, and that alone is reason enough to fire someone. Just because it used to be socially accepted to be physically and mentally abusive to people, doesn't mean it is still OK, or that it should be.
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Post by Quanthor on Apr 4, 2013 17:15:50 GMT -5
I'm willing to guarantee what Rice did was child's play compared to what old school coaches use to do. Bob Knight was a notorious ass, but his players loved him and he was effective..until the late generations came in. Honestly, if there's no video, there's no story. If the players had a huge issue they would have outed him a long time ago. Most have defended him. He hurled some b-balls and screamed some gay slurs. BFD. The response is like he pummeled or raped them. Not even close. That might be true. But would it be ok for a manager at McDonalds to do that to their employees? What about a college calculus professor? What about a bank manager? Sure it isn't the end of the world, but also people in a position of authority can't behave that way. Those kids can't just quit and go to a different school the next day if they aren't happy with it. Should someone have to be pummeled or raped to make a big deal out of it? I'm usually on the side of people toughing it out, but this was over the line, and he deserves to be fired. It's not like it was a one time heat of the moment thing either. Bottom line is, he is a bad coach because he can't think of another way to motivate players other than being abusive, and that alone is reason enough to fire someone. Just because it used to be socially accepted to be physically and mentally abusive to people, doesn't mean it is still OK, or that it should be. Sports is a lot different than those other occupations. There's no higher level of physical exertion than sports. All coaches shout, command, ect. Rambis was telling a story about a coach that berated his kids with all sorts of verbal abuse on espn. The players loved it and responded to it in a positive way even hurling curse words back at the coach. Rice threw some bballs. Again I say BFD. I honestly watch that video and think.."is that it?". It being acceptable is subjective and today the consensus is that it's not. I look at it and see an old school hard ass type. Just watching the video and not the whole practice I don't think is particularly fair either. He looks like a raving madman because of the way it's edited. If the players don't mind (they are adults), than why should anybody else besides Rutgers U?
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Post by the franchise on Apr 4, 2013 21:17:47 GMT -5
The guy throws basketballs at his players during the practice like it is dodge ball. He is a madman. What if this was a baseball coach doing this? He could kill someone. How does a coach launching basketballs at his players help them get better? If anything I would totally quit on the team. that guy would be my response.
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Post by K Dot on Apr 6, 2013 13:15:53 GMT -5
That might be true. But would it be ok for a manager at McDonalds to do that to their employees? What about a college calculus professor? What about a bank manager? Sure it isn't the end of the world, but also people in a position of authority can't behave that way. Those kids can't just quit and go to a different school the next day if they aren't happy with it. Should someone have to be pummeled or raped to make a big deal out of it? I'm usually on the side of people toughing it out, but this was over the line, and he deserves to be fired. It's not like it was a one time heat of the moment thing either. Bottom line is, he is a bad coach because he can't think of another way to motivate players other than being abusive, and that alone is reason enough to fire someone. Just because it used to be socially accepted to be physically and mentally abusive to people, doesn't mean it is still OK, or that it should be. Sports is a lot different than those other occupations. There's no higher level of physical exertion than sports. All coaches shout, command, ect. Rambis was telling a story about a coach that berated his kids with all sorts of verbal abuse on espn. The players loved it and responded to it in a positive way even hurling curse words back at the coach. Rice threw some bballs. Again I say BFD. I honestly watch that video and think.."is that it?". It being acceptable is subjective and today the consensus is that it's not. I look at it and see an old school hard ass type. Just watching the video and not the whole practice I don't think is particularly fair either. He looks like a raving madman because of the way it's edited. If the players don't mind (they are adults), than why should anybody else besides Rutgers U? I'm sorry, how did the Rutgers basketball team finish this year? I'm guessing being thrown basketballs at their way didn't really turn out to be a positive thing for them. Or take all three of his years as the RU coach, you're gonna tell me this coaching style worked? There was an instance where he threw a basketball at a kid's head. Idk if you've ever been hit in the head by a basketball but it's not the same as being hit by a pillow. And even if the video was edited, there was around hundreds of hours of recored footage at practice that shows his aggressive behaviour. I don't give a crap what "old school" coaches did but this isn't old school anymore. Times have changed. Coaches should never be able to physically contact a player like that. How about the fact that when the AD Tim Pernetti came to watch practice Mike Rice's behaviour drastically changed and he never abused anyone?
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Post by Quanthor on Apr 6, 2013 14:40:48 GMT -5
Sports is a lot different than those other occupations. There's no higher level of physical exertion than sports. All coaches shout, command, ect. Rambis was telling a story about a coach that berated his kids with all sorts of verbal abuse on espn. The players loved it and responded to it in a positive way even hurling curse words back at the coach. Rice threw some bballs. Again I say BFD. I honestly watch that video and think.."is that it?". It being acceptable is subjective and today the consensus is that it's not. I look at it and see an old school hard ass type. Just watching the video and not the whole practice I don't think is particularly fair either. He looks like a raving madman because of the way it's edited. If the players don't mind (they are adults), than why should anybody else besides Rutgers U? I'm sorry, how did the Rutgers basketball team finish this year? I'm guessing being thrown basketballs at their way didn't really turn out to be a positive thing for them. Or take all three of his years as the RU coach, you're gonna tell me this coaching style worked? There was an instance where he threw a basketball at a kid's head. Idk if you've ever been hit in the head by a basketball but it's not the same as being hit by a pillow. And even if the video was edited, there was around hundreds of hours of recored footage at practice that shows his aggressive behaviour. I don't give a crap what "old school" coaches did but this isn't old school anymore. Times have changed. Coaches should never be able to physically contact a player like that. How about the fact that when the AD Tim Pernetti came to watch practice Mike Rice's behaviour drastically changed and he never abused anyone? When's the last time Rutgers U did anything in basketball? I can't ever recall them ever getting to the NCAA tournament. Rice did take a smaller division school twice to the big tournament before taking the Rutgers job though. * quick google search. They haven't been there since 1991. 22 years. Only 6 times in their existence. Not a basketball school. Here's the thing, I never once said it was acceptable behavior, but I don't think his actions quite justify the response especially when his players have his back. "You can't let those individual moments define what he was," junior forward Wally Judge said during a telephone interview Thursday. "In my past two years, me being an older guy and being under other coaches, I have grown from the moment I stepped in these doors, not only as a player, but also as a person because of how he has treated me." "He did a lot for us off the court, academically, socially," Johnson said during a separate telephone conversation. "I have to say I enjoyed my time, even if it was an emotional rollercoaster.""I feel if people had a chance to see the other portions of practice, or had been at practice, their judgment would not be as severe," Johnson said. "I am not saying what he did wasn't wrong, because I do believe it was wrong. But it is also tough because it was a highlight reel of his worst moments." This kind of speaks to what I was saying about the video. It depicts him as being a raving lunatic at all times when it was really just a few explosions edited together. "Honestly, a lot of the things that have been seen have been taken out of context. A lot of things that aren't seen are when we grab him and kid around," Judge said. "Like I said before, when people ask me why did I play for him, I told them, 'He's a players' coach.'"Mike was almost like a big brother. He would get on the floor with us and go through drills with us. He made it fun. When you have a big-brother type of figure, you know you can play around like that. I have grabbed Mike and put him in a headlock and we joke around and kid. That was the type of relationship he built with his players." This speaks to what Rambis said. Sometimes that's the vibe of the team and it goes both ways. "He wasn't a guy we hated or despised," Judge said. "After practice, we would all go in the locker room and laugh. It was never a sad face or a hung head. What he did was he separated the court and he separated life. When we were on the court, we were on the court and locked in. That's why you see so many intense moments, because he was so locked-in on turning this program around. When we got in the locker room, we were a family. We laughed." "We don't want a white-collar, clean-cut guy. We want somebody who understands us and will push us every day, like Rice did." There you have it. They are straight up defending their coach and they don't have to whatsoever. They have complete freedom to throw him under the bus, but they've done the opposite.
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Post by K Dot on Apr 7, 2013 2:44:31 GMT -5
I'm sorry, how did the Rutgers basketball team finish this year? I'm guessing being thrown basketballs at their way didn't really turn out to be a positive thing for them. Or take all three of his years as the RU coach, you're gonna tell me this coaching style worked? There was an instance where he threw a basketball at a kid's head. Idk if you've ever been hit in the head by a basketball but it's not the same as being hit by a pillow. And even if the video was edited, there was around hundreds of hours of recored footage at practice that shows his aggressive behaviour. I don't give a crap what "old school" coaches did but this isn't old school anymore. Times have changed. Coaches should never be able to physically contact a player like that. How about the fact that when the AD Tim Pernetti came to watch practice Mike Rice's behaviour drastically changed and he never abused anyone? When's the last time Rutgers U did anything in basketball? I can't ever recall them ever getting to the NCAA tournament. Rice did take a smaller division school twice to the big tournament before taking the Rutgers job though. * quick google search. They haven't been there since 1991. 22 years. Only 6 times in their existence. Not a basketball school. Here's the thing, I never once said it was acceptable behavior, but I don't think his actions quite justify the response especially when his players have his back. "You can't let those individual moments define what he was," junior forward Wally Judge said during a telephone interview Thursday. "In my past two years, me being an older guy and being under other coaches, I have grown from the moment I stepped in these doors, not only as a player, but also as a person because of how he has treated me." "He did a lot for us off the court, academically, socially," Johnson said during a separate telephone conversation. "I have to say I enjoyed my time, even if it was an emotional rollercoaster.""I feel if people had a chance to see the other portions of practice, or had been at practice, their judgment would not be as severe," Johnson said. "I am not saying what he did wasn't wrong, because I do believe it was wrong. But it is also tough because it was a highlight reel of his worst moments." This kind of speaks to what I was saying about the video. It depicts him as being a raving lunatic at all times when it was really just a few explosions edited together. "Honestly, a lot of the things that have been seen have been taken out of context. A lot of things that aren't seen are when we grab him and kid around," Judge said. "Like I said before, when people ask me why did I play for him, I told them, 'He's a players' coach.'"Mike was almost like a big brother. He would get on the floor with us and go through drills with us. He made it fun. When you have a big-brother type of figure, you know you can play around like that. I have grabbed Mike and put him in a headlock and we joke around and kid. That was the type of relationship he built with his players." This speaks to what Rambis said. Sometimes that's the vibe of the team and it goes both ways. "He wasn't a guy we hated or despised," Judge said. "After practice, we would all go in the locker room and laugh. It was never a sad face or a hung head. What he did was he separated the court and he separated life. When we were on the court, we were on the court and locked in. That's why you see so many intense moments, because he was so locked-in on turning this program around. When we got in the locker room, we were a family. We laughed." "We don't want a white-collar, clean-cut guy. We want somebody who understands us and will push us every day, like Rice did." There you have it. They are straight up defending their coach and they don't have to whatsoever. They have complete freedom to throw him under the bus, but they've done the opposite. I just don't buy into the fact that it's only a "few" of his worst moments caught on camera when ESPN clearly stated there are 30 minutes of it from this season alone. It's not a few explosions caught on camera, he probably did it every practice and he'd still be doing it next season if he wasn't fired. Those comments were from two of the players from the team. Before I start taking sides, I would want to hear from everyone else that were on the team this season. Some players don't handle stuff like that too well and it does more damage than positivity to them. So unless everyone on the team defends Mike Rice, I still don't see how his coaching style was a positive one.
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Post by Joey Cush on Apr 7, 2013 11:37:24 GMT -5
If you can honestly defend this man, you need to take a basketball to the face.
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Post by "The Visionary" Eldniw on Apr 7, 2013 13:20:02 GMT -5
He deserved to get fired. He's an embarrassment to coaching. On top of that, the AD should get canned too. The prick admitted he had seen the videos before OTL broke the story. He only fired Rice because the story blew up. If you know what's going on & continue to look the other way, you deserve your walking papers too. AD has since resigned and said the only reason that Rice wasn't fired was because the disciplinary process the university follows wouldn't have ended in termination. He was following the process to prevent wrongful termination suit, which the college now has from someone else anyway.
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