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Post by wrestlingbillyho on Jul 5, 2013 17:15:50 GMT -5
Based on what I've seen of the upcoming 4-Flashback Elite set's preorders, I think it's safe to say that this might be the hottest Elite lineup yet. That being said, I think it would be cool if Mattel gave the Flashbacks their own series w/4 per wave and kept the current Elite line to 6 current stars like it was began with. I know, I know, Legends this/that, blah blah blah, but I see it as a possibility anyway. The Flashbacks seem to be selling well enough, seemingly better than under the former Legends series, so why not? Give me your thoughts, which includes you, Mattel!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2013 17:21:14 GMT -5
good idea,but Mattel won't risk it again
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Post by DZ: WF Legacy on Jul 5, 2013 17:32:59 GMT -5
I think this is to test how well FBs would do in bulk. They have all the right names and most of the right attires (presumably) to make this successful.
But as a regular line again, I just don't think they would risk it. I think FBs in seasonal form (4 times a year, 16 figures total) would be an interesting experiment. Problem is, retailers don't seem to want "legends" figures anymore, which is why they rebranded them and sneaked them into the normal lines with minimal differences in packaging. I've seen this consolidation happen with other non-WWE legacy brands, too.
I think our best bet is maybe having an annual "Flashback set" like this. Next year we can get that DX set most people were crossing their fingers for.
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Post by plastictaxicab on Jul 5, 2013 17:33:28 GMT -5
IMO the reason they are selling so well is because they are limited (as in 1-2 per series) and included in the general Elite cases. Retailers were shying away from restocking Legends because they weren't selling well because it was 6 non-active wrestlers per case. Trust me, I'd absolutely love this because I only collect Legends/FBs, but it would be too much of a financial risk for Mattel to try this again.
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Post by Nivro™ on Jul 5, 2013 17:35:55 GMT -5
Id be happy if they just split cases 1/2 Flashbacks (3 figures) 1/2 current stars (3 figures). You could pump out Flashbacks more often, put out more current stars (who dont have figures) and when you finally do have to put out a Cena, Orton or Mysterio...it would/could be 3-5 series down the line and the ones from the previous series should have been cleared off on clearance by then LOL!
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Post by Flair Forever on Jul 5, 2013 17:44:06 GMT -5
I think it's great that Mattel is doing this Elite set - I really hope it is the beginning of more legends, as that's what I mostly buy.
I think the original Legends lines were too expensive for casual buyers and that's why they didn't succeed.
I'm worried about being able to find these at retail... they seem to have found a price point that works, and the few legends that do come out fly off the shelves.
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Post by wrestlingbillyho on Jul 5, 2013 17:45:03 GMT -5
4 times a year, 16 figures total, which is more than what he get now, is exactly what I was thinking. I get what you guys are saying though, and I also think that this is experimental on Mattel's part to see how well a whole series sells. That's where I'm coming from in all this. Of course, if a figure is 1-2 packed it's gonna sell/be hard to lock down. I'm not necessarily saying they should pack them more if they were a separate series, but give them their own series nonetheless and keep em at 1-2 per figure. What's the difference? Those of us that want them get them one way or another. This way, we can get more of the Classics and fill out our Elite rosters as well. Just brainstorming.
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Post by jayrod2009 on Jul 5, 2013 19:08:14 GMT -5
I think it's great that Mattel is doing this Elite set - I really hope it is the beginning of more legends, as that's what I mostly buy. I think the original Legends lines were too expensive for casual buyers and that's why they didn't succeed. I'm worried about being able to find these at retail... they seem to have found a price point that works, and the few legends that do come out fly off the shelves. The Legends line was $12.99-$14.99 each. That was affordable. I really do hope that sales with this set, boost Legends/Flashback production. It would be nice to see Flashbacks/Legends make it back to retail in their own series, but face it.... We as a whole, meaning Mattel an the consumet ed that deal up.... Mattel tried a different approach to Legends figures an it bombed at retail, then Mattel attempted to get Legends going on MattyCollector and we failed to purchase. And I must say, they called everyones bluff! I do however agree, that this will be te greatest Elite set to date.
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Post by ~*Young $ Money*~ on Jul 5, 2013 19:11:19 GMT -5
I honestly wouldn't mind if they gave us 3 and 3 per set. they would even do like 2 current guys 1 current in flashback gear (John cena prototype gear per say) then 2 flashbacks like new age outlaws or something like that. I think that would be really cool instead of the same repaints set after set.
I think ELite 22 would of been so much better if it was Kane in the RSC exclusive gear instead.I would say the Rock as Rocky Maivia but we got the new title so it fits there.
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Post by Flair Forever on Jul 6, 2013 3:36:28 GMT -5
I think it's great that Mattel is doing this Elite set - I really hope it is the beginning of more legends, as that's what I mostly buy. I think the original Legends lines were too expensive for casual buyers and that's why they didn't succeed. I'm worried about being able to find these at retail... they seem to have found a price point that works, and the few legends that do come out fly off the shelves. The Legends line was $12.99-$14.99 each. That was affordable. I really do hope that sales with this set, boost Legends/Flashback production. It would be nice to see Flashbacks/Legends make it back to retail in their own series, but face it.... We as a whole, meaning Mattel an the consumet ed that deal up.... Mattel tried a different approach to Legends figures an it bombed at retail, then Mattel attempted to get Legends going on MattyCollector and we failed to purchase. And I must say, they called everyones bluff! I do however agree, that this will be te greatest Elite set to date. Hmm, maybe I'm just remembering seeing the Entrance Greats and Defining Moments, which were both upwards of $25 - at least around here. That price point really turned me off and I took a 3-year break from collecting at that point. Maybe I didn't even notice the Legends line because of that. Although, you got me wondering, so I just went upstairs and looked - I have a Legends Hillbilly Jim with K-Mart "Clearance" sticker on it that says $12.00.... so if it was marked $12.00 on clearance, it had to be more at "regular price"....
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Jul 6, 2013 4:42:05 GMT -5
16 figures a year in their own line, which inevitably flops within the first year and doesn't get renewed for a second year = 16 figures total.
8-12 figures a year in the Elite line, which is successful and keeps going year after year = way more than 16 figures total.
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Post by poindizzle on Jul 6, 2013 5:46:56 GMT -5
I'm not going to use as harsh a term as peg-warming, but some of the Flashbacks have hung around longer than they should. E20 Christian is still easy to find, E12 Papa Shango, E14 Big Bossman, and even E15 Yokozuna eventually became very easy to find around here, and took sometimes over a month to sell. Imagine them at even packouts now and with 5 other figures also in the assortment.
I think once the collectors snap up all the flashbacks they can from E23, we're going to be stuck with a set of Elites that sell no better or worse than any other wave. A lot of people on here think that it's going to be the most in demand lineup ever and that it's going to boot the Legends line back up, but I'm telling you, they'll sell like normal. Kids buy these, too, and half of them probably don't know that JBL ever wrestled (although he's the short-packed one, right?), or care for an Undertaker in a costume they've never seen.
I'm just trying to have reasonable expectations. I would love to have a Legends line, but I'd also like to have SDCC exclusives every year, and DM figures, and so on and so on, and we know Mattel's mantra for failed lines is "Never Again, Never Again, Never Again. We didn't make gobs and gobs of cash hand over fist. Never Again."
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Jul 6, 2013 7:15:43 GMT -5
I'm not going to use as harsh a term as peg-warming, but some of the Flashbacks have hung around longer than they should. E20 Christian is still easy to find, E12 Papa Shango, E14 Big Bossman, and even E15 Yokozuna eventually became very easy to find around here, and took sometimes over a month to sell. Imagine them at even packouts now and with 5 other figures also in the assortment. I think once the collectors snap up all the flashbacks they can from E23, we're going to be stuck with a set of Elites that sell no better or worse than any other wave. A lot of people on here think that it's going to be the most in demand lineup ever and that it's going to boot the Legends line back up, but I'm telling you, they'll sell like normal. Kids buy these, too, and half of them probably don't know that JBL ever wrestled (although he's the short-packed one, right?), or care for an Undertaker in a costume they've never seen. Nobody in Elite 23 is short-packed. JBL is in both cases.
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Post by ~*Young $ Money*~ on Jul 6, 2013 8:47:46 GMT -5
I'm not going to use as harsh a term as peg-warming, but some of the Flashbacks have hung around longer than they should. E20 Christian is still easy to find, E12 Papa Shango, E14 Big Bossman, and even E15 Yokozuna eventually became very easy to find around here, and took sometimes over a month to sell. Imagine them at even packouts now and with 5 other figures also in the assortment. I think once the collectors snap up all the flashbacks they can from E23, we're going to be stuck with a set of Elites that sell no better or worse than any other wave. A lot of people on here think that it's going to be the most in demand lineup ever and that it's going to boot the Legends line back up, but I'm telling you, they'll sell like normal. Kids buy these, too, and half of them probably don't know that JBL ever wrestled (although he's the short-packed one, right?), or care for an Undertaker in a costume they've never seen. I'm just trying to have reasonable expectations. I would love to have a Legends line, but I'd also like to have SDCC exclusives every year, and DM figures, and so on and so on, and we know Mattel's mantra for failed lines is "Never Again, Never Again, Never Again. We didn't make gobs and gobs of cash hand over fist. Never Again." I don't think i ever saw E14 Bossman or Booker, or Yokozuna around. Christian i was able to find twice i think and Shango i saw once or twice and picked it up. Kids buy a lot of figures of guys who they don't know. Warrior is a very hot seller and i doubt kids really saw him wrestle but he has a bright outfit and kids like that. Just like Flashback Kane and the WM heritiage one. Both flew off shelves b/c kids and older fans both want it.
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Post by PJ on Jul 6, 2013 10:30:39 GMT -5
Flashbacks are normally 1 per case or 1 per every other case...and you can't base an opinion based on RSC preorders because pretty much only collectors order from them. As much ad I'd love more FB's or a Legends relaunch...I really don't see Mattel doing it anytime soon, because to them it would still be risky. So until retailers say they want more Legends or FB's series it's still only going to be one or two per set. At lower production runs than most.
Of course if E23 does well at mass retail then it might change their thinking, but as of now retailers and Mattel are happy with the 1 per case or less system they have now.
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Post by jayrod2009 on Jul 6, 2013 10:36:26 GMT -5
The Legends line was $12.99-$14.99 each. That was affordable. I really do hope that sales with this set, boost Legends/Flashback production. It would be nice to see Flashbacks/Legends make it back to retail in their own series, but face it.... We as a whole, meaning Mattel an the consumet ed that deal up.... Mattel tried a different approach to Legends figures an it bombed at retail, then Mattel attempted to get Legends going on MattyCollector and we failed to purchase. And I must say, they called everyones bluff! I do however agree, that this will be te greatest Elite set to date. Hmm, maybe I'm just remembering seeing the Entrance Greats and Defining Moments, which were both upwards of $25 - at least around here. That price point really turned me off and I took a 3-year break from collecting at that point. Maybe I didn't even notice the Legends line because of that. Although, you got me wondering, so I just went upstairs and looked - I have a Legends Hillbilly Jim with K-Mart "Clearance" sticker on it that says $12.00.... so if it was marked $12.00 on clearance, it had to be more at "regular price".... Oh yea, Entrance Greats and Defining Moments were both $25-$26.99 retail at Target and Kmart. As far as Kmart went with Legends ( here in Jacksonville,Fl) i think they started at $12.99 series 1, then the same set, different name of Hall of Famers hit at $14.99. I think kmart's legends prices toped out at $16.99.
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Post by AlexWestCollects on Jul 6, 2013 10:47:47 GMT -5
I would love fb to continue like they are but a few times a year they release a 4 fb set like e23.
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Fb become its own line and release 4 sets a year of 4 figs per set.
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Post by Chewdeezy on Jul 6, 2013 10:56:28 GMT -5
The way Mattel is doing it now is fine and it's working. Mattel can sneak in a Flashback loaded series per year like E23 and it should sell well.
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Post by elmsrock on Jul 6, 2013 12:32:26 GMT -5
I was like many, frustrated when legends was pulled and further frustrated that we were only getting flashbacks. But, then I considered several things A) the shape of our economy and people's budget B) the fact that jakks had just released many of these names in mass quantity and C) Less has truly proven to be more! I would love a 4 figure set every couple of months on their own, but I don't think it will happen and I don't think it needs to. the flashback system is not broke so don't fix it. I collect classic and current stars, so this is the best of both worlds. We can't risk losing them all together. Now, with that said, I would not mind seeing them packed more per case when they do come out. I also kinda like how we are getting truly iconic figures (as much as I would like a Skinner or someone along those lines). I believe a four themed set within a regular elite line, ala series 23, would be great every once in a while. Mattel, keep pumping out the icons! We need to capitalize on the colorful and iconic since the market can't sustain some of my favorite mid carders of yester-year. A tag team set next would be ideal such as Legion of Doom in red pads, and the hart foundation with leather jackets. since we can't get Hogan (the biggest missing piece) then lets at least finish his golden era that was started with the likes of Iron Sheik, Mr. #1derful, etc. by having the eloborate Junk Yard Dog with collar and chain, Big John Studd and more from the mid 80s. I like the idea of flashbacks having their own line, but I don't want to risk losing them. Mattel is doing a great job in my opinion! Here's hoping elite 23 performs very well!
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Post by The Mask of Truth on Jul 6, 2013 13:37:21 GMT -5
The way it is now is good, they actually need to get some of these newer guys some elites. We need to remember their #1 consumer is kids. And I'm not too sure many kids know who Macho Man Randy Savage is, as proven by how many of his b28 figures are still warming shelves around here.
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