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Post by DontHassleTheHoff on Jul 27, 2013 20:14:17 GMT -5
What did DX in general do that was PG? Strip poker? 1,001 'sausage' jokes. A kiss cam like segment where women would flash their tits. That's just barely scrapping the barrel of non PG stuff they did. And can you honestly say that DX doesn't deserve an induction. Tell me where WWE would be now without DX back in the Attitude Era. So she did porn. Does that take away what she was to the company? As stated. Nothing wrong with putting her into the hall of fame as a part of DX, she was there, diserves recognition, DX was huge and hall of fame worthy. However in the current family friendly direction of the company, toys, video games, autobiographies, best of dvd's and turning up on the main shows in any form of storyline, all those other things, I'd say is out of the question. It's not a smart move to expose younger viewers to a porn star from a business stand point. Those things you listed happened way back in the 90's, in a very different era of pro wrestling. The Hall of Fame is kinda aimed at the more mature fans anyway, I don't think kids have too much interest in it really. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2013 21:03:02 GMT -5
If I get to see Chyna and HHH hug one last time my green DX heart might explode. Too much emotions.
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Post by Turnbuckle Zealot(Phil) on Jul 27, 2013 21:15:00 GMT -5
DX going in before Triple H is inducted by himself is truly a stupid idea. Not to mention the whole "Being inducted twice" concept just bugs the ever-living Hell out of me.
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Post by Flair Forever on Jul 27, 2013 21:51:13 GMT -5
All the Chyna bashers need to remember something...
She really got the short end of the stick, like no other - she was dating (and probably in love with) Triple H, who dumped her for the boss's daughter - they then pretty much blackballed her from the industry due to their personal vendetta. She didn't do anything wrong and yet she was pretty much barred from working for WWE ever again....
Due to her bizarre look, she was tailor-made for wrestling - but unfortunately, Hollywood probably doesn't have a lot of work for someone with her "unique" appearance. She then had tons of plastic-surgery in order to look more like a traditional "pretty" woman - and you see the result...
As much as I think porn stars aren't really Hall of Fame material, etc... I have to have a little sympathy for Chyna... her employment options, in light of these "one-in-a-million" type circumstances, were quite limited.... I think she also has/had an addiction issue?
Let's be a little reasonable here...
Plus, I was mildly irritated she wasn't part of the Raw 1000 DX reunion - if they're doing it at the Hall of Fame, they ought to do it right...
And this is the right thing to do.
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Post by DestroyerOfNations on Jul 27, 2013 22:19:48 GMT -5
What did DX in general do that was PG? Strip poker? 1,001 'sausage' jokes. A kiss cam like segment where women would flash their tits. That's just barely scrapping the barrel of non PG stuff they did. And can you honestly say that DX doesn't deserve an induction. Tell me where WWE would be now without DX back in the Attitude Era. So she did porn. Does that take away what she was to the company? As stated. Nothing wrong with putting her into the hall of fame as a part of DX, she was there, diserves recognition, DX was huge and hall of fame worthy. However in the current family friendly direction of the company, toys, video games, autobiographies, best of dvd's and turning up on the main shows in any form of storyline, all those other things, I'd say is out of the question. It's not a smart move to expose younger viewers to a porn star from a business stand point. Those things you listed happened way back in the 90's, in a very different era of pro wrestling. The Hall of Fame is kinda aimed at the more mature fans anyway, I don't think kids have too much interest in it really. I do agree with you, I just hope that one day she is truly recognized in the industry and I hope that day comes while she is still here to enjoy it. If DX gets inducted this year, she needs to be there. She deserves that. On a second note, did anyone see the listings for HHH's new DVD. There is actually a chapter called The Ninth Wonder of the World. I marked out when I saw that. |
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Post by DestroyerOfNations on Jul 27, 2013 22:20:43 GMT -5
If I get to see Chyna and HHH hug one last time my green DX heart might explode. Too much emotions. I would die happy. You really could see how much in love they were in all their segments. |
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Post by jnavo217 on Jul 27, 2013 22:22:10 GMT -5
The fact that DX is being discussed to go in before randy savage ever gets in is truly one of the most upsetting and ridiculous things i've ever seen in my entire life...they weren't even the best group around, and HBK and HHH will already be in on their own so why put the whole group in? PUT SAVAGE IN ALREADY
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Post by DestroyerOfNations on Jul 27, 2013 22:25:46 GMT -5
DX going in before Triple H is inducted by himself is truly a stupid idea. Not to mention the whole "Being inducted twice" concept just bugs the ever-living Hell out of me. I don't see how it's stupid. DX is retired, HHH is not. And at this point, it would kind of be like Vince McMahon being inducted if you think about it. He does deserve to go in but whether it's before or after DX doesn't matter. And I think the being inducted twice category just speaks to a persons legacy. Ric Flair deserved it and so will HBK and HHH. Then again, it really depends on the person. HHH deserves to go in solo and as part of a group, but lets say Kevin Nash, while he should go in with NWO, I don't think he deserves to go in Solo. Scott Hall and Hogan on the other hand.... |
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Post by DestroyerOfNations on Jul 27, 2013 22:30:31 GMT -5
All the Chyna bashers need to remember something... She really got the short end of the stick, like no other - she was dating (and probably in love with) Triple H, who dumped her for the boss's daughter - they then pretty much blackballed her from the industry due to their personal vendetta. She didn't do anything wrong and yet she was pretty much barred from working for WWE ever again.... Due to her bizarre look, she was tailor-made for wrestling - but unfortunately, Hollywood probably doesn't have a lot of work for someone with her "unique" appearance. She then had tons of plastic-surgery in order to look more like a traditional "pretty" woman - and you see the result... As much as I think porn stars aren't really Hall of Fame material, etc... I have to have a little sympathy for Chyna... her employment options, in light of these "one-in-a-million" type circumstances, were quite limited.... I think she also has/had an addiction issue? Let's be a little reasonable here... Plus, I was mildly irritated she wasn't part of the Raw 1000 DX reunion - if they're doing it at the Hall of Fame, they ought to do it right... And this is the right thing to do. This. She once referred to Vince as her father, and he and his family buried her alive. Drug and alcohol addiction ruined her. She has no family connections and has been alone looking for work for the past decade. Was porn a bad choice? Absolutely. But she has gotten her life back on track. If you're going to induct DX, Chyna must be there. |
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Post by DestroyerOfNations on Jul 27, 2013 22:34:22 GMT -5
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Post by Turnbuckle Zealot(Phil) on Jul 27, 2013 23:26:08 GMT -5
DX going in before Triple H is inducted by himself is truly a stupid idea. Not to mention the whole "Being inducted twice" concept just bugs the ever-living Hell out of me. I don't see how it's stupid. DX is retired, HHH is not. And at this point, it would kind of be like Vince McMahon being inducted if you think about it. He does deserve to go in but whether it's before or after DX doesn't matter. And I think the being inducted twice category just speaks to a persons legacy. Ric Flair deserved it and so will HBK and HHH. Then again, it really depends on the person. HHH deserves to go in solo and as part of a group, but lets say Kevin Nash, while he should go in with NWO, I don't think he deserves to go in Solo. Scott Hall and Hogan on the other hand.... Yes the faction's retired while The Game still has some potentially legendary matches left in him, but that doesn't change the fact Triple H is the HARLEY RACE of his generation. He should be honored as such when he is finally inducted. Which is more noteworthy of the two lists of accolades? #1: 13 legitimate world championship reigns, the most Hell in a Cell & Elimination Chamber victories collectively in all of history, a training lineage dating back to Strangler Lewis, being Ric Flair's favorite protege, acting as a grindstone for the finest wrestlers of this generation, & possessing a one of kind technical wrestling ability that positively contrasts his assorted peers from Rock & UnderTaker to Orton & Cena. OR... #2: Vulgar humor, Anti-Establishment antics, & a gumbo of actions that completely contradicted who he truly is as a wrestler & a visionary in our business. I know you're preparing your "DX was groundbreaking in helping them win back ratings in the MNW" arguement as you read this, & I agree that it was smart of him & Shawn to do that for the survival of the company, however it dud the genre's mainstream image, nor it's remaining shreds of dignity even the SLIGHTEST favors. One other concept I'd like to dicscuss is how throwing someone in the Hall within months of retirement is in truth, unceremonious & somewhat lacking in reverence of these great pioneers we claim to hold so dearly. The term "LEGEND" is NOT a cheap sugar coating phrase for retired wrestlers. It's the title of a greatness that is often difficult to contain in formal accolades. In this sense, our art form is NO exception. I'd be damn proud to be called a "wrestling veteran" as opposed to being told I'm something I am well aware that isn't me at all. I often have dreams of Harley explaining to me this following concept. A wrestler's life is a series of matches with himself. He uses the man across from him as the stand in. His life is a card of stories filled with as many ups & downs as the stories he tells with his body. In a wrestler's life, hiis induction is supposed to be the main event of his life. It's a stamp of completion. Let's you know the world believes you did what no one believed you could do & still find it hard to believe you did at all. The truth of a wrestler's drive lies in his inner peace. His self-certainty. The induction ceremony is the world saying "If you don't have it now, there's something wrong with you. Cause you have gone above & beyond what anyone expected of you, asked of you, & sometimes passed where people wanted you to go for your own sake." But you went there & set up a hammock of bruises because a true wrestler gives all that there is to give. Not that he has to give. But that there is. to give... |
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Post by Calcifer Boheme on Jul 28, 2013 0:08:42 GMT -5
DX won't go in before HHH does by himself. As Chyna is concerned, I doubt it but stranger things have happened.
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Post by msenger76 on Jul 28, 2013 0:10:15 GMT -5
I thought Triple H shot down the idea of DX going in before he goes in solo. That was talked about when this years hof was brought up. He wants to be a solo member before going in as a group, like Flair was.
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Post by DestroyerOfNations on Jul 28, 2013 0:39:46 GMT -5
I don't see how it's stupid. DX is retired, HHH is not. And at this point, it would kind of be like Vince McMahon being inducted if you think about it. He does deserve to go in but whether it's before or after DX doesn't matter. And I think the being inducted twice category just speaks to a persons legacy. Ric Flair deserved it and so will HBK and HHH. Then again, it really depends on the person. HHH deserves to go in solo and as part of a group, but lets say Kevin Nash, while he should go in with NWO, I don't think he deserves to go in Solo. Scott Hall and Hogan on the other hand.... Yes the faction's retired while The Game still has some potentially legendary matches left in him, but that doesn't change the fact Triple H is the HARLEY RACE of his generation. He should be honored as such when he is finally inducted. Which is more noteworthy of the two lists of accolades? #1: 13 legitimate world championship reigns, the most Hell in a Cell & Elimination Chamber victories collectively in all of history, a training lineage dating back to Strangler Lewis, being Ric Flair's favorite protege, acting as a grindstone for the finest wrestlers of this generation, & possessing a one of kind technical wrestling ability that positively contrasts his assorted peers from Rock & UnderTaker to Orton & Cena. OR... #2: Vulgar humor, Anti-Establishment antics, & a gumbo of actions that completely contradicted who he truly is as a wrestler & a visionary in our business. I know you're preparing your "DX was groundbreaking in helping them win back ratings in the MNW" arguement as you read this, & I agree that it was smart of him & Shawn to do that for the survival of the company, however it dud the genre's mainstream image, nor it's remaining shreds of dignity even the SLIGHTEST favors. One other concept I'd like to dicscuss is how throwing someone in the Hall within months of retirement is in truth, unceremonious & somewhat lacking in reverence of these great pioneers we claim to hold so dearly. The term "LEGEND" is NOT a cheap sugar coating phrase for retired wrestlers. It's the title of a greatness that is often difficult to contain in formal accolades. In this sense, our art form is NO exception. I'd be damn proud to be called a "wrestling veteran" as opposed to being told I'm something I am well aware that isn't me at all. I often have dreams of Harley explaining to me this following concept. A wrestler's life is a series of matches with himself. He uses the man across from him as the stand in. His life is a card of stories filled with as many ups & downs as the stories he tells with his body. In a wrestler's life, hiis induction is supposed to be the main event of his life. It's a stamp of completion. Let's you know the world believes you did what no one believed you could do & still find it hard to believe you did at all. The truth of a wrestler's drive lies in his inner peace. His self-certainty. The induction ceremony is the world saying "If you don't have it now, there's something wrong with you. Cause you have gone above & beyond what anyone expected of you, asked of you, & sometimes passed where people wanted you to go for your own sake." But you went there & set up a hammock of bruises because a true wrestler gives all that there is to give. Not that he has to give. But that there is. to give... I'll be honest. I understood about 14% of that. In all honestly, Triple H isn't as good as his numerous title holds and victories claim he his. I was not even thinking about the MNW ratings and when you assumed I was, you made an ass out of your self. Bottomline is DX defined a generation. Whether they sold seats or not doesn't hold a candle to the legacy they left behind. DX must be inducted into the Hall of Fame, and if Triple H's ego makes us wait until after he's inducted (or doesn't let Chyna be there) I have two words for both you and him...... SUCK IT!! |
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Post by DestroyerOfNations on Jul 28, 2013 0:40:47 GMT -5
I thought Triple H shot down the idea of DX going in before he goes in solo. That was talked about when this years hof was brought up. He wants to be a solo member before going in as a group, like Flair was. Maybe he would rather go in Solo first, but DX was slated to be inducted last year so it seems he doesn't always get his way. |
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Post by Turnbuckle Zealot(Phil) on Jul 28, 2013 8:38:06 GMT -5
Yes the faction's retired while The Game still has some potentially legendary matches left in him, but that doesn't change the fact Triple H is the HARLEY RACE of his generation. He should be honored as such when he is finally inducted. Which is more noteworthy of the two lists of accolades? #1: 13 legitimate world championship reigns, the most Hell in a Cell & Elimination Chamber victories collectively in all of history, a training lineage dating back to Strangler Lewis, being Ric Flair's favorite protege, acting as a grindstone for the finest wrestlers of this generation, & possessing a one of kind technical wrestling ability that positively contrasts his assorted peers from Rock & UnderTaker to Orton & Cena. OR... #2: Vulgar humor, Anti-Establishment antics, & a gumbo of actions that completely contradicted who he truly is as a wrestler & a visionary in our business. I know you're preparing your "DX was groundbreaking in helping them win back ratings in the MNW" arguement as you read this, & I agree that it was smart of him & Shawn to do that for the survival of the company, however it dud the genre's mainstream image, nor it's remaining shreds of dignity even the SLIGHTEST favors. One other concept I'd like to dicscuss is how throwing someone in the Hall within months of retirement is in truth, unceremonious & somewhat lacking in reverence of these great pioneers we claim to hold so dearly. The term "LEGEND" is NOT a cheap sugar coating phrase for retired wrestlers. It's the title of a greatness that is often difficult to contain in formal accolades. In this sense, our art form is NO exception. I'd be damn proud to be called a "wrestling veteran" as opposed to being told I'm something I am well aware that isn't me at all. I often have dreams of Harley explaining to me this following concept. A wrestler's life is a series of matches with himself. He uses the man across from him as the stand in. His life is a card of stories filled with as many ups & downs as the stories he tells with his body. In a wrestler's life, hiis induction is supposed to be the main event of his life. It's a stamp of completion. Let's you know the world believes you did what no one believed you could do & still find it hard to believe you did at all. The truth of a wrestler's drive lies in his inner peace. His self-certainty. The induction ceremony is the world saying "If you don't have it now, there's something wrong with you. Cause you have gone above & beyond what anyone expected of you, asked of you, & sometimes passed where people wanted you to go for your own sake." But you went there & set up a hammock of bruises because a true wrestler gives all that there is to give. Not that he has to give. But that there is. to give... I'll be honest. I understood about 14% of that. In all honestly, Triple H isn't as good as his numerous title holds and victories claim he his. I was not even thinking about the MNW ratings and when you assumed I was, you made an ass out of your self. Bottomline is DX defined a generation. Whether they sold seats or not doesn't hold a candle to the legacy they left behind. DX must be inducted into the Hall of Fame, and if Triple H's ego makes us wait until after he's inducted (or doesn't let Chyna be there) I have two words for both you and him...... SUCK IT!! How am I the jerk for pointing out your only valid argument. Your discussion of "Legacy" was nullified my counter-point where I stated the actual effects of DX's antics. So Austin with his 5 moves stuffed in a can of whoop-ass(Punch, Corner stomp, Thesz Press, Stunner, Clothesline) beats Triple H's classical cultivated repertoire? I've seen more moves out Helmsley in one house show upper card match against big show, than I've seen out of Austin in 6 PPV main events. I use Austin as an example of how screwed our business is since he was the face of the attitude era. . A popularity contest where someone's fickle opinion of your personality nullifies your in-ring ability. DX was a comedy group. The "Grown Ups" franchise of wrestling. Where as Triple H became a prestige picture in & of himself. A driving force that personifies what truly makes Professional Wrestling great. To conclude, the only "ass" here is you for attempting to nullify the importance of Wrestling's core values. To so much as dare to claim his comedic nonsense is anything more than a footnote & a stepping stone to his proper position is a verbal spit in the face to every legend from Hackenschmidt to Sonnenburg, Thesz to Funk Jr. & Harley Race to Ric Flair, to Bret Hart, Shawn Michaels, to Angle, & Guerrero, to this very day. Every artist of the in-ring, the craftsmen of the canvas, the souls who live & die for this Sporting Art. The only thing you have proven is your incoherence to our great genre & your utter inability to appreciate our business' finest champions. |
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Post by Flair Forever on Jul 28, 2013 13:21:41 GMT -5
I don't see how it's stupid. DX is retired, HHH is not. And at this point, it would kind of be like Vince McMahon being inducted if you think about it. He does deserve to go in but whether it's before or after DX doesn't matter. And I think the being inducted twice category just speaks to a persons legacy. Ric Flair deserved it and so will HBK and HHH. Then again, it really depends on the person. HHH deserves to go in solo and as part of a group, but lets say Kevin Nash, while he should go in with NWO, I don't think he deserves to go in Solo. Scott Hall and Hogan on the other hand.... Yes the faction's retired while The Game still has some potentially legendary matches left in him, but that doesn't change the fact Triple H is the HARLEY RACE of his generation. He should be honored as such when he is finally inducted. Which is more noteworthy of the two lists of accolades? #1: 13 legitimate world championship reigns, the most Hell in a Cell & Elimination Chamber victories collectively in all of history, a training lineage dating back to Strangler Lewis, being Ric Flair's favorite protege, acting as a grindstone for the finest wrestlers of this generation, & possessing a one of kind technical wrestling ability that positively contrasts his assorted peers from Rock & UnderTaker to Orton & Cena. OR... #2: Vulgar humor, Anti-Establishment antics, & a gumbo of actions that completely contradicted who he truly is as a wrestler & a visionary in our business. I know you're preparing your "DX was groundbreaking in helping them win back ratings in the MNW" arguement as you read this, & I agree that it was smart of him & Shawn to do that for the survival of the company, however it dud the genre's mainstream image, nor it's remaining shreds of dignity even the SLIGHTEST favors. One other concept I'd like to dicscuss is how throwing someone in the Hall within months of retirement is in truth, unceremonious & somewhat lacking in reverence of these great pioneers we claim to hold so dearly. The term "LEGEND" is NOT a cheap sugar coating phrase for retired wrestlers. It's the title of a greatness that is often difficult to contain in formal accolades. In this sense, our art form is NO exception. I'd be damn proud to be called a "wrestling veteran" as opposed to being told I'm something I am well aware that isn't me at all. I often have dreams of Harley explaining to me this following concept. A wrestler's life is a series of matches with himself. He uses the man across from him as the stand in. His life is a card of stories filled with as many ups & downs as the stories he tells with his body. In a wrestler's life, hiis induction is supposed to be the main event of his life. It's a stamp of completion. Let's you know the world believes you did what no one believed you could do & still find it hard to believe you did at all. The truth of a wrestler's drive lies in his inner peace. His self-certainty. The induction ceremony is the world saying "If you don't have it now, there's something wrong with you. Cause you have gone above & beyond what anyone expected of you, asked of you, & sometimes passed where people wanted you to go for your own sake." But you went there & set up a hammock of bruises because a true wrestler gives all that there is to give. Not that he has to give. But that there is. to give... I didn't know Damion Sandow was an active member on here. "You're Welcome!" |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2013 13:26:26 GMT -5
No use for Chyna at all. She was a terrible worker and nothing special like people seem to think she is.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2013 1:12:13 GMT -5
So she did porn. Does that take away what she was to the company? No it doesn't. On the merits of her career, Chyna belongs in the HOF. She deserves to be recognized for her vast contributions to DX. Vince McMahon owns a billion dollar business, however, that is associated with multi-national conglomerates and has a blossoming film company under his charge. I can see why he may worry about his company's public image and the media backlash. |
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Post by King Silva on Jul 29, 2013 2:00:32 GMT -5
I would think HHH would want to get inducted as a solo wrestler before he got in as a member of DX. I just wonder how long it will take for him to get inducted by himself because I kinda doubt he will go in as a member of DX the following year. I do think that NAO, Chyna, and maybe X-Pac could go in as a tag team or singles wrestler but then if they induct DX it would be kinda weird that of all people NAO, Chyna, and X-Pac got in the HOF twice. They are good but they are no Flair, HBK, and HHH.  |
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