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Post by Mike Giggs' Munchies on Aug 12, 2013 5:48:28 GMT -5
I think this is a pretty underrated WM. Here's the card for anyone needing their memory refreshed: Rey Mysterio def. Eddie Guerrero Edge won MITB (def. Jericho, Benoit, Benjamin, Christian & Kane) Undertaker def. Randy Orton Trish Stratus def. Christy Hemme Kurt Angle def. HBK Akebono def. Big Show John Cena def. JBL (WWE championship) Batista def. HHH (WHC) Ok, ignoring the divas match and the sumo match (which didn't take long anyway), this is a pretty strong card. This was Eddie's last WM, and he and Rey had a solid opener. The first MITB was huge for Edge and at the time was a really awesome new concept. Undertaker vs. Orton is one of the most memorable streak matches - it made Orton look great, and everyone feared for the streak when he reversed the chokeslam into the RKO in what is arguably the Streak's most memorable individual spot. Angle vs. HBK lived up to all expectation as a great match. I know a lot of people on here hate Cena, but you can't deny that he was over huge at this point, and his win was great as was the overall feud. And I know many people hate this era HHH for his 'reign of terror', but you can't deny that he made Batista look amazing here, and it was a great 'coming of age' for both Cena and Batista. I think a lot of people left this event feeling the future was bright for WWE, with 2 huge new stars being made in 1 night. It didn't quite pan out that way, but the event itself was still great in my opinion. I know some will complain at the lack of non-top tier titles or tag matches, but I still think that this was a great WM and one that is generally overlooked, probably because it came just after the AE and marked 'the rise of Cena'. Also, it had some of the best WM adverts ever  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2013 6:37:18 GMT -5
It was good and probably a little underrated.
I think the most underrated Wrestlemania of all time is probably 19 which also happens to be my favorite.
It just seems to get overshadowed by 17 & 18.
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Post by Mike Giggs' Munchies on Aug 12, 2013 8:05:40 GMT -5
It was good and probably a little underrated. I think the most underrated Wrestlemania of all time is probably 19 which also happens to be my favorite. It just seems to get overshadowed by 17 & 18. 19 is my favourite as well. However, I think it is pretty highly regarded overall, and I think the majority of people would have it in their top 5 WMs. No WM has a top 5 matches that are as big or as good as HBK-Y2J, HHH-Booker, Hogan-McMahon, Rock-Austin and Lesnar-Angle. |
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Post by Lewscher on Aug 12, 2013 10:42:37 GMT -5
XIX was my first and favorite and ive seen all WM  |
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Post by Johnny Wrestling on Aug 12, 2013 11:14:19 GMT -5
WrestleMania XIX is in no shape or form underrated. Not at least on this forum.
On topic, I'd agree. At they time, I did enjoy the event. Then, for some reason, years after I simply forgot about it except for Angle/HBK and Undertaker/Orton. I didn't really give it enough attention. Now that you remembered me the card, I can say it was indeed underrated. Full of some good matches except for the sumo match.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2013 12:57:48 GMT -5
The little promo things were hilarious
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Post by Scott! on Aug 12, 2013 13:13:28 GMT -5
I'll be honest, it's not one I go back and watch much. The 3 matches I'll watch that are on other DVD's are the taker/Orton, angle/hbk & mitb. I wasn't a fan of anything else, Eddie and rey had better matches than their opener together.
The pipers pit segment is the only reason I'd pop in the DVD otherwise.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2013 15:15:27 GMT -5
The problem with Wrestlemania 21 is that it's following Wrestlemania 17 - 20. Those were four solid Mania's for top to bottom action.
Wrestlemania 21 also has two lackluster WWE/World Title matches. Cena vs. JBL was booked like it was from the 80s. I think everyone saw the role John Cena was gonna play after that match, for he was the Hulk Hogan of this era. He beat JBL with one AA. That was it. No dramatic kick out, or anything. No interference from The Cabinet. Just an AA and a pin.
Batista vs. Triple H was no where near the level that HBK vs. Triple H vs. Chris Benoit was going to be from the year before. If Benoit never did what he did on that June weekend in 2007, then I think the WM 20 main event match would go down as the greatest Wrestlemania main event match of all time!
So where as WM 21 gives us Taker vs. Orton, the first MITB match and HBK vs. Angle, the main event Title matches alone on this WM make it seem unnoticed.
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Post by Mike Giggs' Munchies on Aug 12, 2013 15:36:41 GMT -5
The problem with Wrestlemania 21 is that it's following Wrestlemania 17 - 20. Those were four solid Mania's for top to bottom action. Wrestlemania 21 also has two lackluster WWE/World Title matches. Cena vs. JBL was booked like it was from the 80s. I think everyone saw the role John Cena was gonna play after that match, for he was the Hulk Hogan of this era. He beat JBL with one AA. That was it. No dramatic kick out, or anything. No interference from The Cabinet. Just an AA and a pin. Batista vs. Triple H was no where near the level that HBK vs. Triple H vs. Chris Benoit was going to be from the year before. If Benoit never did what he did on that June weekend in 2007, then I think the WM 20 main event match would go down as the greatest Wrestlemania main event match of all time! So where as WM 21 gives us Taker vs. Orton, the first MITB match and HBK vs. Angle, the main event Title matches alone on this WM make it seem unnoticed. Taken in the context of every WM though, rather than the previous 4, I think its underrated. Also I disagree that, at that point, everyone knew what Cena would become. If anything, Batista became more likely; he was the one on Raw (the A brand, although it was less clear cut then), he had the main event and he had won the RR. It changed quite quickly afterwards, but I don't think anyone predicted completely what would happen. |
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Post by Jamal on Aug 12, 2013 15:40:01 GMT -5
It had the best WM match of all time, along with 2 other excellent matches but the 2 main event were underwhelming.
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Post by cordless2016 on Aug 12, 2013 15:44:00 GMT -5
I think WM21 is very underrated. Eddie/Rey, MITB, Angle/HBK, and Orton/Taker were all top matches that delivered like expected. Batista/HHH is also very underrated IMO and while not as good as their HIAC match it still entertained me and did its job in making Batista a legit main eventer. Trish/Christy, Show/Akebono, and Cena/JBL all sucked but most WMs have crap matches of their own. The good outweight the bad and was an overall great event. W/ WMs from that time I'd rank it...
- WM17
- WM19
- WM21
- WM20
- WM23
- WM18
- WM24
- WM 22
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Post by Mike Giggs' Munchies on Aug 12, 2013 15:48:47 GMT -5
I think WM21 is very underrated. Eddie/Rey, MITB, Angle/HBK, and Orton/Taker were all top matches that delivered like expected. Batista/HHH is also very underrated IMO and while not as good as their HIAC match it still entertained me and did its job in making Batista a legit main eventer. Trish/Christy, Show/Akebono, and Cena/JBL all sucked but most WMs have crap matches of their own. The good outweight the bad and was an overall great event. W/ WMs from that time I'd rank it... - WM17 - WM19 - WM21 - WM20 - WM23 - WM18 - WM24 - WM 22 That ranking isn't too dissimilar from what I'd say. But what strikes me is that I enjoyed almost all of those WMs (22 was eh but I wouldn't go as far to say as it was bad for a WM). Go back 2 years from your start date for that list and you've got 2 WMs that are pretty poor in comparison to any on that list, despite coming at the height of the Attitude Era - a time far hotter than the time when most of the WM's you've listed there took place. |
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Post by cordless2016 on Aug 12, 2013 15:54:24 GMT -5
I think WM21 is very underrated. Eddie/Rey, MITB, Angle/HBK, and Orton/Taker were all top matches that delivered like expected. Batista/HHH is also very underrated IMO and while not as good as their HIAC match it still entertained me and did its job in making Batista a legit main eventer. Trish/Christy, Show/Akebono, and Cena/JBL all sucked but most WMs have crap matches of their own. The good outweight the bad and was an overall great event. W/ WMs from that time I'd rank it... - WM17 - WM19 - WM21 - WM20 - WM23 - WM18 - WM24 - WM 22 That ranking isn't too dissimilar from what I'd say. But what strikes me is that I enjoyed almost all of those WMs (22 was eh but I wouldn't go as far to say as it was bad for a WM). Go back 2 years from your start date for that list and you've got 2 WMs that are pretty poor in comparison to any on that list, despite coming at the height of the Attitude Era - a time far hotter than the time when most of the WM's you've listed there took place. Totally agree about the Attitude Era WMs. WM14-16 were letdowns match wise IMO. WM22 just doesn't do anything for me. I think injuries and the death of Eddie really hurt the event, as well as the matches just not living up to expectations. WM16 wasn't too bad for me because it had the ladder tag titles match as well as the Jericho/Benoit/Angle match and I actually think the main event is underrated. WM15 was one of the worst ever besides the main event and WM14 to me was hurt because of HBK being injured and Bret being gone. |
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Post by SuperJimmy12345 on Aug 12, 2013 18:05:17 GMT -5
It was good and helped build a lot of stars to what they became (Orton,Edge,Cena,Batista)
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Post by 0,Y on Aug 13, 2013 4:15:59 GMT -5
It had the best WrestleMania match in history which alone would have saved the whole show for me. Angle/HBK delivered a masterpiece of a match. Also as said before it had some other great matches with MITB and Eddie/Rey and Taker/Orton. So I agree it's underrated and gets overshadowed by the previous Manias.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2013 6:37:01 GMT -5
I love that Taker/Orton match.
If there was EVER a time to end the streak it would have been that match.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2013 8:23:15 GMT -5
WM21 delivered for me big time.Im defo a fan
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Post by AlexWestCollects on Aug 14, 2013 19:02:37 GMT -5
Was decent.
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Post by sideeffect on Aug 14, 2013 20:22:13 GMT -5
I think WM21 was pretty good, but from what I read its the 2 main events that were a let down for people. The under card was great - Eddie/Mysterio, MITB, Orton/Taker and Angle/HBK were all great matches. I liked Batista/HHH, but Cena/JBL was meh - their I Quit match a month later was WAY better.
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Post by ztj_wwf on Aug 15, 2013 12:22:00 GMT -5
WM 21 was amazing, but the main events stopped it from being on X-Seven or XIX level.
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