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Post by Mike Giggs' Munchies on Sept 4, 2013 13:50:37 GMT -5
Which of these two was/is the better superstar? I know people often say "well how do we define better?" so, whilst trying not to patronise, think of these factors when making your decision:
Wrestling ability
Charisma/promo work
Drawing power
Big match moments & feuds (both putting others over and being put over themselves)
Title runs
Career choices (i.e. does Jericho's coming-and-going status hurt him? Did Angle going to TNA ruin his legacy? Is Jericho's greatest strength his varied background?)
Their overall legacy (i.e. assume they retired today and look back over their whole career rather than just one high/low point)
Anything else you think contributes to the discussion
Personally I have to say I think Jericho edges it. Angle's charisma is often underrated but it still doesn't match Jericho's. If Angle had stayed in WWE (and avoided some of his health problems that caused him leaving in the first place) that might've tipped the balance his way. Whilst they were in WWE Angle was the bigger star, but Jericho has since cemented his legacy.
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Post by SuperJimmy12345 on Sept 4, 2013 14:00:16 GMT -5
Definitely Jericho
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2013 14:03:03 GMT -5
Depends, really are we talking now, or how they were at their peaks?. Jericho has been consistently great for 15-20 years. Angle was great for maybe 3-5 years, but during those years he was better than Jericho has ever been.
Jericho has stayed relevant for a long time, too. Angle has just sort of fizzled into nothing.
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Post by Mike Giggs' Munchies on Sept 4, 2013 14:04:02 GMT -5
Depends, really are we talking now, or how they were at their peaks?. Jericho has been consistently great for 15-20 years. Angle was great for maybe 3-5 years, but during those years he was better than Jericho has ever been. Jericho has stayed relevant for a long time, too. Angle has just sort of fizzled into nothing. Essentially assume they retire today and you're looking back over their whole legacy. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2013 14:19:31 GMT -5
Depends, really are we talking now, or how they were at their peaks?. Jericho has been consistently great for 15-20 years. Angle was great for maybe 3-5 years, but during those years he was better than Jericho has ever been. Jericho has stayed relevant for a long time, too. Angle has just sort of fizzled into nothing. Essentially assume they retire today and you're looking back over their whole legacy. I'll go for Jericho then, he's been consistently great for his entire career. |
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Post by Next Man’s Yeeter on Sept 4, 2013 22:44:42 GMT -5
Depends, really are we talking now, or how they were at their peaks?. Jericho has been consistently great for 15-20 years. Angle was great for maybe 3-5 years, but during those years he was better than Jericho has ever been. Jericho has stayed relevant for a long time, too. Angle has just sort of fizzled into nothing. This would sum up my own feelings on it too. Nothing in Jericho's career compares to Angle's best years, but Jericho's got the better overall legacy. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2013 6:51:22 GMT -5
Jericho has stayed relevant and has managed to renew himself time and time again.
I like Angle. I really do. However, he is his own worst enemy.
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Post by cordless2016 on Sept 5, 2013 9:40:20 GMT -5
Angle by far. Jericho was never push as the "face" of the WWE. In '01 and '03 Angle was the top dog in the WWE w/ Austin, Lesnar, and HHH. Angle is a rare talent that was able to put on a classic match w/ anyone. On the mic he is great playing both comedy and serious characters. The guy To me Angle is right up there w/ Bret Hart as the top two performers of all time.
I love Jericho but he never made it to the top tier of the WWE like Angle did. Thats more on Vince's fault for not pushing him as a legit main eventer but I've always seen Jericho, Benoit, and Guerrero as upper midcarders based on how they were pushed. I love all three of em but Angle was on another level from them. Multiple WM world title matches, 4x WWE Champ and 1x World Champ w/ legit wins over guys like Austin, Rock, HHH, Show, and Lesnar during his reigns. 5* matches w/ a veriety of opponents. Just a few of his many, many accomplishments.
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Post by 👑🇵🇭⭐️ on Sept 5, 2013 11:30:41 GMT -5
I picked Chris Jericho, because he is number 1 on my list, but Kurt Angle is number 4 on my list.
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Post by Brad on Sept 5, 2013 12:03:23 GMT -5
I love Chris but I had to go with Angle here.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2013 12:49:21 GMT -5
Angle.
imo his match catalogue is unparalleled.there isn't another like it out there.....certainly Jericho cant touch him in this category.
Bret is close in this respect too....but Angle pips it.
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Post by WMDman on Sept 5, 2013 13:00:30 GMT -5
Jericho 4 sure
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Post by Colter on Sept 5, 2013 14:10:22 GMT -5
Jericho has stayed relevant and has managed to renew himself time and time again. I like Angle. I really do. However, he is his own worst enemy. Agree 100%. |
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Post by punksnotdead on Sept 5, 2013 14:24:30 GMT -5
Really 6 inches, half a foot imo. I like Jericho more so I picked him. I'd rather see Angle wrestle and Jericho with a microphone I guess.
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Post by Dr. Mantis Toboggan MD on Sept 5, 2013 18:36:01 GMT -5
Depends, really are we talking now, or how they were at their peaks?. Jericho has been consistently great for 15-20 years. Angle was great for maybe 3-5 years, but during those years he was better than Jericho has ever been. Jericho has stayed relevant for a long time, too. Angle has just sort of fizzled into nothing. Kurt desperately needs to get his life together. |
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Post by cordless2016 on Sept 5, 2013 21:41:25 GMT -5
Depends, really are we talking now, or how they were at their peaks?. Jericho has been consistently great for 15-20 years. Angle was great for maybe 3-5 years, but during those years he was better than Jericho has ever been. Jericho has stayed relevant for a long time, too. Angle has just sort of fizzled into nothing. I think your overvauling Jericho and undervaluing Angle a bit. Jericho himself says that he has had down years like in 1999 and 2004/5. He's had some really good years (2001) but also some years where he had almost no memorable moments (2004). During his first run in the WWE ('99-05) he had a few quick jumps to the main events but was never pushed as "the man." During his second run since he returned in 2007 he has been trusted more but is still pushed more as an upper midcarder than the face of the company. As for Angle I'd say he was arguably the greatest wrestler in the world from '00-07. Not only was he putting on 5 star matches each year but he was also main eventing multiple Wrestlemanias and was a consistent top guy for the WWE and TNA. I'd say he began to slow down a bit around '08 but even today he can still match most guys in-ring wise and on the mic. I also don't think Angle's personal life should have a bearing on how great he is/was. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2013 1:19:07 GMT -5
Angle vs Brock lesnar, angle vs Chris Benoit, angle vs Eddie Guerrero enough said
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2013 2:31:37 GMT -5
Depends, really are we talking now, or how they were at their peaks?. Jericho has been consistently great for 15-20 years. Angle was great for maybe 3-5 years, but during those years he was better than Jericho has ever been. Jericho has stayed relevant for a long time, too. Angle has just sort of fizzled into nothing. I think your overvauling Jericho and undervaluing Angle a bit. Jericho himself says that he has had down years like in 1999 and 2004/5. He's had some really good years (2001) but also some years where he had almost no memorable moments (2004). During his first run in the WWE ('99-05) he had a few quick jumps to the main events but was never pushed as "the man." During his second run since he returned in 2007 he has been trusted more but is still pushed more as an upper midcarder than the face of the company. As for Angle I'd say he was arguably the greatest wrestler in the world from '00-07. Not only was he putting on 5 star matches each year but he was also main eventing multiple Wrestlemanias and was a consistent top guy for the WWE and TNA. I'd say he began to slow down a bit around '08 but even today he can still match most guys in-ring wise and on the mic. I also don't think Angle's personal life should have a bearing on how great he is/was. Yeah Jericho has had the odd off year, but I don't think that changes the fact that he's been consistently great throughout his career. I really try not to judge wrestlers on anything other than their in-ring work. It's a business where Flair is a 16 time world champion, and Mr Perfect is only a 2 time IC champion. I agree that at one time Angle was one of the greatest wrestlers in the world (if not the greatest), I just think that he's been phoning it in now for the past 5 or 6 years and that's severely damaged his legacy. Especially when you consider that his awesome years are only about 6-7 years. I don't think being in TNA helps, Angle's spent too long in TNA. |
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Post by Mike Giggs' Munchies on Sept 6, 2013 6:42:57 GMT -5
Depends, really are we talking now, or how they were at their peaks?. Jericho has been consistently great for 15-20 years. Angle was great for maybe 3-5 years, but during those years he was better than Jericho has ever been. Jericho has stayed relevant for a long time, too. Angle has just sort of fizzled into nothing. I think your overvauling Jericho and undervaluing Angle a bit. Jericho himself says that he has had down years like in 1999 and 2004/5. He's had some really good years (2001) but also some years where he had almost no memorable moments (2004). During his first run in the WWE ('99-05) he had a few quick jumps to the main events but was never pushed as "the man." During his second run since he returned in 2007 he has been trusted more but is still pushed more as an upper midcarder than the face of the company. As for Angle I'd say he was arguably the greatest wrestler in the world from '00-07. Not only was he putting on 5 star matches each year but he was also main eventing multiple Wrestlemanias and was a consistent top guy for the WWE and TNA. I'd say he began to slow down a bit around '08 but even today he can still match most guys in-ring wise and on the mic. I also don't think Angle's personal life should have a bearing on how great he is/was. I thought Angle only main evented (i.e. went on last) at one WM - WM XIX? Which would put him at the same number of WM main events with Jericho. He's also 'stolen the show' the same amount of times as Jericho, both vs. HBK at XIX and 21. |
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Post by cordless2016 on Sept 6, 2013 9:20:11 GMT -5
I think your overvauling Jericho and undervaluing Angle a bit. Jericho himself says that he has had down years like in 1999 and 2004/5. He's had some really good years (2001) but also some years where he had almost no memorable moments (2004). During his first run in the WWE ('99-05) he had a few quick jumps to the main events but was never pushed as "the man." During his second run since he returned in 2007 he has been trusted more but is still pushed more as an upper midcarder than the face of the company. As for Angle I'd say he was arguably the greatest wrestler in the world from '00-07. Not only was he putting on 5 star matches each year but he was also main eventing multiple Wrestlemanias and was a consistent top guy for the WWE and TNA. I'd say he began to slow down a bit around '08 but even today he can still match most guys in-ring wise and on the mic. I also don't think Angle's personal life should have a bearing on how great he is/was. I thought Angle only main evented (i.e. went on last) at one WM - WM XIX? Which would put him at the same number of WM main events with Jericho. He's also 'stolen the show' the same amount of times as Jericho, both vs. HBK at XIX and 21. The WWE promoted Angle having been in three world title fights at WM. Thats why I said three main events. The WWE has promoted multiple matches at the main event of WM (WM19 had four of em). Favorite matches are opinion but I'd say Angle has 'stolen the show' at three different manias. Against Benoit at WM17, HBK at WM21, and Rey and Orton at WM22 (I'm not a big fan of Edge vs Foley). |
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