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Post by POOR-ly Cuyler on May 1, 2017 16:10:59 GMT -5
Also, agree with him or not, Snyder used TDKR as inspiration for an older weathered Batman. Compare how 25 year old Bats looks in Millers Year One vs. 50 year old in TDKR.
Im used to the animated series though, and he is a wider shouldered dude there.
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Post by mikey1974 on May 1, 2017 18:00:30 GMT -5
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Post by JokerFC on May 2, 2017 4:07:20 GMT -5
Affleck as Batman has been the highlight of the DCCU for me so far. So I'm firmly in his camp here
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Post by mikey1974 on May 2, 2017 15:50:37 GMT -5
Anyone know when that TRU exclusive Multiverse Wonder Woman is supposed to hit? I swear I heard April 29th, but haven't seen any reports of it hitting, and not available on TRU.com yet either.
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on May 2, 2017 18:40:27 GMT -5
Affleck as Batman has been the highlight of the DCCU for me so far. So I'm firmly in his camp here Not me. I admit he is better than I expected. But the DCCU is so ed up, it needs a reboot. While I dont think Cavill is the best for Superman, I think he can get the job done. Sadly, Snyder has neutered him. I mostly blame Zack Snyder for the horror we witness.
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Post by cordless2016 on May 2, 2017 20:13:39 GMT -5
Batfleck is the definitive live action Batman for me. He is the one bright spot in the DCCU. Seriously, it's like he jumped right out of the pages of TDKR or the animated series.
I liked Keaton, but thought Kilmer was the best overall Wayne/Batman (okay movie with Kilmer being the one bright spot) until Affleck came around. Bale was good in begins, but seemed to be phoning it in during TDK and TDKR. I also get that his version was a very realistic take on the character, but hated that he broke down less than a year into his career.
Yes Batman is only human, but in the comics and animated show he has pulled off some boarderline super-human acts to survive against certain villains. Afflecks Batman did this as well. He had the build of a body builder during off-season but the speed of a ninja. Fun stuff.
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on May 2, 2017 23:31:38 GMT -5
Batfleck is the definitive live action Batman for me. He is the one bright spot in the DCCU. Seriously, it's like he jumped right out of the pages of TDKR or the animated series. I liked Keaton, but thought Kilmer was the best overall Wayne/Batman (okay movie with Kilmer being the one bright spot) until Affleck came around. Bale was good in begins, but seemed to be phoning it in during TDK and TDKR. I also get that his version was a very realistic take on the character, but hated that he broke down less than a year into his career. Yes Batman is only human, but in the comics and animated show he has pulled off some boarderline super-human acts to survive against certain villains. Afflecks Batman did this as well. He had the build of a body builder during off-season but the speed of a ninja. Fun stuff. I agree on the Kilmer point. I liked Ben in his gritty older Bruce Wayne role. Not so much as Batman though. If they wanted grittier and older, I cant think of a better casting though. I just prefer my Batman more Kilmer like. I think Ian Somerhalder, if he added some weight, would pull off a perfect modern day Bruce Wayne. And if they wanted a grittier Superman...Joe Manganiello would have been the choice. But for me, Superman will always be that beacon of hope. Thats why I love Tyler Hoechlin's version on Supergirl. Reminds me of Christopher Reeves, especially his Clark Kent. I liked Brandon Routh in the Superman role, but he gets a bad rep due to Superman Returns being such a piss poor vehicle.
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Post by Emerald Enthusiast on May 2, 2017 23:56:29 GMT -5
I think Affleck is whatever, but I just hate buff Batman. Batman is supposed to be like this ultimate ninja. Here comes a dude who looks to be atleast 350lbs in that suit like, what? Or is it just me? I agree. A Batman of such large size does not fit with the League of Shadows training....but then again, maybe the Ben Afleck Batman doesn't have that backstory. Michael Keaton's Batman just seems like a self-trained vigilante. Christian Bale's Batman got the League of Shadows training. Just like the Michael Keaton Batman is, I believe, the only version of Batman, both film and comic, where the Joker is the one who killed Batman's parents. So basically every Batman is a little different. But strictly appearance-wise, I would prefer Batman to not look like a bodybuilder. From a disguise perspective alone, he's just supposed to be a billionaire. He's not supposed to be the most jacked guy in town who would probably be everyone's first choice for Batman. lol Affleck was in great shape, especially for a man of his age, in BvS, but he didn't look out-of-the-ordinary when he was in a suit or dress shirt. He's not a giant like Bautista, who looks huge whether he's in Drax makeup or street clothes. It's much easier to believe a guy like Affleck is a vigilante than someone like Keaton, who looked like he had never seen the inside of a gym in Batman '89. You're right about the League of Shadows not being a mandatory part of Batman's origin. The LOS was introduced nearly 30 years after Batman's comic book debut. I don't think the specifics of Batman's training was a focal point of his Golden Age incarnation. It's been too long since I've read those stories to remember the finer points of them, so perhaps someone with those comics on hand will add some input on that. I do remember having a story from the 90s where Commissioner Gordon told Bruce's pre-Batman story, and it included a section where Bruce traveled the world to learn various styles of martial arts before fusing them into his own distinct manner of fighting. I've always assumed that some variation of that was what most DC writers had in mind through the Golden/Silver/Bronze ages of comics.
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on May 3, 2017 0:14:07 GMT -5
I thought Ben in the suit look ENORMOUS! He was bigger than Superman.
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Post by JokerFC on May 3, 2017 4:37:07 GMT -5
Affleck as Batman has been the highlight of the DCCU for me so far. So I'm firmly in his camp here Not me. I admit he is better than I expected. But the DCCU is so ed up, it needs a reboot. While I dont think Cavill is the best for Superman, I think he can get the job done. Sadly, Snyder has neutered him. I mostly blame Zack Snyder for the horror we witness. Yup the DCCU aside from a few highlights is very underwhelming. I don't blame Snyder though. I enjoyed MOS and I'm sure his sequel would have been good too. But remember? he started off making MOS II. Then he was asked to feature Batman. Then he was told it was Superman vs Batman. THen he was told it was Superman vs batman whilst setting up the entire effin cinematic universe. Plus its heavily rumoured Affleck directed all his own scenes. Its a lot......
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Post by cableV on May 3, 2017 6:27:37 GMT -5
Anyone know when that TRU exclusive Multiverse Wonder Woman is supposed to hit? I swear I heard April 29th, but haven't seen any reports of it hitting, and not available on TRU.com yet either. She has been added to TRU.com(out of stock) “R”Web#: 343132 SKU: 059F991B UPC/EAN/ISBN: 887961484014
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Post by PJ on May 3, 2017 6:30:24 GMT -5
I thought Ben in the suit look ENORMOUS! He was bigger than Superman. Well in theory Superman shouldn't be that big. With all the feats of strength they have had Superman be able to do over the years what can he possibly lift to build up muscle mass? To me Christopher Reeve will always be the perfect Superman. Henry Cavil is physically the part, and honestly as an actor I had no issues with him being Superman, but there were times in both movies where his skin completion was very pale and made him looked sickly. As for Kilmer as Batman he lost me in that movie in he scene in the batcave where he was getting his ribs taped up and Robin confronted him about would could stop him. Robin physically looked larger than Batman.
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Post by mikey1974 on May 3, 2017 7:27:53 GMT -5
My thoughts :
Adam West - perfect Batman, for his series. In the overall arc of Batman history, it wasn't great. But perfectly fit the 60's. It's not a knock on him or the show. I love it. But Batman is meant to be dark, and this ain't it.
Michael Keaton - had a presence about him. He perfectly captured the urban legend mystique of a creature in the shadows, and did the troubled Bruce persona really well. He missed on the physicality part, needing the suit and gadgets to be believable, and he went too far with troubled Bruce, leaving no space for the Billionaire playboy part of the persona.
Val Kilmer - close to a perfect Batman. He had the physicality to believe he could beat people, and while he used gadgets, he didn't completely rely on them. He also was, I feel,the best Bruce Wayne we've gotten. Millionaire playboy with a dark, tortured side. You could believe he wanted a normal life, yet was compelled to battle evil to exorcise his demons. Only bad part was the puns.
George Clooney - Oh, Christ. Clooney channeling Adam West is the best way to describe him.
Christian Bale - started off great, I thought. Begins did the whole origin, and mystique and urban legend thing well, while portraying the "Bruce Wayne is a disguise" thing that started in the 90's very well. But it changed in TDK where he became more of a special ops character, mostly abandoned the mysterious elements, and was so committed to being Batman that he not only tried to give it up mid-film, but did give it up at the end of the film.
Ben Affleck - jury's still out a bit, but I generally like what I see so far. Loved the older, grizzled, almost beat down version, who, when confronted with his limitations when confronted with gods amongst us, goes over the edge a bit, willing to do whatever is necessary. Yet by the end realizes he was wrong, and comes back to the path of hero again, rather than vengeful vigilante.
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on May 3, 2017 17:13:27 GMT -5
Not me. I admit he is better than I expected. But the DCCU is so ed up, it needs a reboot. While I dont think Cavill is the best for Superman, I think he can get the job done. Sadly, Snyder has neutered him. I mostly blame Zack Snyder for the horror we witness. Yup the DCCU aside from a few highlights is very underwhelming. I don't blame Snyder though. I enjoyed MOS and I'm sure his sequel would have been good too. But remember? he started off making MOS II. Then he was asked to feature Batman. Then he was told it was Superman vs Batman. THen he was told it was Superman vs batman whilst setting up the entire effin cinematic universe. Plus its heavily rumoured Affleck directed all his own scenes. Its a lot...... There were lots of MOS I liked. But it lost me when he 300 the final scenes and destroyed all of Metropolis for no reason and had Superman break down into an emo cry. Thats ALL Snyder. I thought Ben in the suit look ENORMOUS! He was bigger than Superman. Well in theory Superman shouldn't be that big. With all the feats of strength they have had Superman be able to do over the years what can he possibly lift to build up muscle mass? To me Christopher Reeve will always be the perfect Superman. Henry Cavil is physically the part, and honestly as an actor I had no issues with him being Superman, but there were times in both movies where his skin completion was very pale and made him looked sickly. As for Kilmer as Batman he lost me in that movie in he scene in the batcave where he was getting his ribs taped up and Robin confronted him about would could stop him. Robin physically looked larger than Batman. Dont think we need an explanation on muscle mass per say. I think that becomes a suspension of disbelief. I dont need to analyze Superman's definition and wonder how this guy got so big. I just think Superman should be imposing. In the comics, Superman has always had broad shoulders, definition and looked like a brick crap house. Its hard to top Reeve for so many reasons. I have seen some perfect castings for super hero characters like RDJ for Stark or Jackman for Wolverine. For me, I would say Reeve is as close to that as anyone....but not willing to put him in the perfect casting category. I 100% agree that Cavill looks the part. I think he has the ability to BE a better Superman. I just dont think Snyder is providing a vehicle for him to be that. Snyder has a vision of Superman being a mopey emo kid that lacks some self confidence at times. I just pray that Justice League features bearded Supes in the regeneration suit.
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Post by sisterabigail on May 3, 2017 17:32:05 GMT -5
Of course someone on this board would say Kilmer was the best batman.
Affleck is garbage and it's a shame they can't just leave the bat alone for a good 10 years, then reboot it.
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Post by Controversial Maverick PUNK on May 3, 2017 18:32:43 GMT -5
Which do people think is the best Zoom, DC or Mattel?
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Post by cordless2016 on May 3, 2017 18:38:14 GMT -5
Of course someone on this board would say Kilmer was the best batman. Affleck is garbage and it's a shame they can't just leave the bat alone for a good 10 years, then reboot it. What was wrong with Kilmer? Nobody is saying the movie is great but there's a lot of fans that feel he was a great fit for both Wayne and Batman. His Wayne was a public figure but wasn't a complete recluse or socially awkward like Keaton. He also wasnt a celebrity like Clooney. And he didn't act like a total buffoon like Bale that would have garnered more attention on himself. He pulled off a billionaire businessman who went about his daily work without gaining any unwanted attention. Physically he was fine for Batman as well. He had a natural build that looked like he could pull off a lot of the aerobatic moves Batman does, or take down a villain if needed. I think Ben was great as Wayne and Batman. The writing of the character was crap (and I blame that on Snyder) but Affleck made me believe that he was the animated series character jump right out of the show.
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Post by Nivro™ on May 3, 2017 19:25:03 GMT -5
Which do people think is the best Zoom, DC or Mattel? This thread has gotten way off topic so Ill try to steer it back straight.... I only own the Mattel Zoom but I really like the look of the DCC. My one problem with the Mattel Zoom is the blue bolts are molded onto his back. If they were removable it wouldnt be that bad. If I find another Im planning on pulling them out and resculpting them to fill it in. The DCC one looks to be as good quality as the Flash and Reverse Flash. Im sure Ill pick it up eventually just havent gotten around to it yet.
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Post by sisterabigail on May 3, 2017 20:10:20 GMT -5
Of course someone on this board would say Kilmer was the best batman. Affleck is garbage and it's a shame they can't just leave the bat alone for a good 10 years, then reboot it. What was wrong with Kilmer? Nobody is saying the movie is great but there's a lot of fans that feel he was a great fit for both Wayne and Batman. His Wayne was a public figure but wasn't a complete recluse or socially awkward like Keaton. He also wasnt a celebrity like Clooney. And he didn't act like a total buffoon like Bale that would have garnered more attention on himself. He pulled off a billionaire businessman who went about his daily work without gaining any unwanted attention. Physically he was fine for Batman as well. He had a natural build that looked like he could pull off a lot of the aerobatic moves Batman does, or take down a villain if needed. I think Ben was great as Wayne and Batman. The writing of the character was crap (and I blame that on Snyder) but Affleck made me believe that he was the animated series character jump right out of the show. Kilmer is just an awful actor. He was great in the doors and top gun, but the movie and character he played in forever just reeked. My issue with affleck is that I didn't see Bruce or batman, just Ben affleck. I feel a lot of these roles are ruined by the big names cast in them. Bale worked perfectly, because he was a great actor yet not many for familiar with his previous work. Thas one of the reasons will Smith in suicide squad was awful, aside from the movie being piss poor. Superman to me, is the saving grace of the DC franchise. His look is perfect and he plays the role great. And he is a hunk
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on May 3, 2017 22:43:51 GMT -5
Of course someone on this board would say Kilmer was the best batman. Affleck is garbage and it's a shame they can't just leave the bat alone for a good 10 years, then reboot it. Leave it alone? Where there is money to be made...none of these movie studios will leave anything alone.
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