Dr. Mantis Toboggan MD
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Post by Dr. Mantis Toboggan MD on Oct 3, 2013 21:09:30 GMT -5
bolded is very true !! however JJ was still an active wrestler then fresh out of the wcw main event, now he's done what he needs to do so it wont be the JJ show unlike hhh now. Its possible. But I disagree on the "fresh" off WCW main event. I think WCW had been closed for like 3 or 4 years at that point. TNA's heyday was from 2005-2009 which was when Jarrett had the large share of the company. TNA went downhill once they hired Bischoff and Hogan, and Dixie took the majority share. By heyday, I am assuming you mean what you consider to be the most entertaining period. However, after Bischoff and Hogan started, TNA became an vital part of the Spike TV lineup. After Hogan and Bisch started, TNA was expanding their house shows. After Hogan and Bisch started, TNA took Impact on the road. After Hogan and Bisch started, TNA was booking arenas like 1st Mariner, Wells Fargo and Stabler arena for house shows vs. an ice rink. These are all positive steps for the company. I'm not Hogan's #1 fan....not at all. But, his presence alone helped TNA grow as a company. And there are several things that his presence alone also helped cuz utter chaos. By that I meant it was the most entertaining and also had the most consistent ratings. The ratings may not have been near as high but they at least weren't nearly as erratic in viewership.
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Post by deskjet on Oct 3, 2013 22:03:05 GMT -5
I think if the carters stay in the game, 2014 looks good. New talent coming in, Old and expensive talent going out. It's definately a make or break year for TNA
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Post by The Natural Eddy Valintino on Oct 4, 2013 0:32:22 GMT -5
I read this on Wrestle Zone (only after reading it here and searched to find a source). If it happens, I hope it's sold to someone who cares about the wrestling business and puts someone who is knowledgeable about wrestling in charge.I wish the Carters would just tell Dixie not to run things anymore and have Jarrett run the entire thing. I bet Jarrett's not gonna have himself be the main focus of the show. Plus, the most entertaining period of TNA was when Jarrett was in charge the company, despite him being the main guy in the company. At this point, anyone but Dixie running the company would be great IMO.
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Post by y2josh on Oct 4, 2013 9:17:32 GMT -5
Everyone clamoring for the Jarretts to take back over seems almost comical. When TNA first started up and Jarrett was running it, everyone bitched and complained about how TNA was nothing more than the JJ show. The show revolved around JJ and he wasnt putting people over. How many guys like Raven and Jeff Hardy, were we expecting JJ to put over for the TNA Title and he never did. Its just a constant moan and groan. There are problems. It aint perfect. But what I see on my tv is better than what is on Monday nights. And WWE is a billion dollar corporation with money, talent and generations of experience to lean on and they still cant put an entertaining product on. I feel like your opinions are biased due to you basically having free reign of TNA shows when you go. I seem to recall you telling me you don't pay to get in, etc. I am a huge proponent of TNA; wanting so adamantly for them to succeed, but even I can hardly stand watching the program anymore. I do DVR it, and I do watch the recording, but I find myself fast forwarding through 50% of the show. To say that what they're doing is more entertaining than what WWE is doing on Mondays is purely opinion, and an opinion I believe to be swayed by your ties to the employees of the company.
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Post by punksnotdead on Oct 4, 2013 11:38:01 GMT -5
Jeff Jarrett started TNA right off the heels of his WCW run. The only thing he did in-between was World Wrestling All-Stars, which was really a WCW left over show for the most part but where I believe JJ was really exposed to AJ Styles. I was actually a really big fan of that promotion because they used Scott Steiner and they had the cruiserweights, which was pretty much the precursor to the X-Division. Regardless, JJ founded TNA in the summer of 2002. So it was a little more than a year off the tail end of WCW closing their doors. Make no mistake about it, Jeff Jarrett thought he was the ing man and inserted himself as the top guy at the expense of making his promotion better. So I agree with people saying that wouldn't be an issue in 2013. He's in his mid 40's and I'm sure he'd still work matches but nothing on the level of what he did for himself from 2002-2006. I don't necessarily blame Jarrett, he ran TNA like a family run territory before Sting and Angle showed up, but he was delusional for thinking he was "the man" imo. Especially when Raven got so over, AJ blossomed as the top guy, he had Nash, Scott Steiner and DDP all in and out, but I digress. I think the thing that worries me is the financial cuts that would come with new ownership. Angle's going back to WWE at some point, soon I think. Jeff Hardy loves his schedule, but he still likes money I'm sure and he's well paid. AJ might really be leaving? Sting is really on a Legends deal with TNA of sorts and still think he wants one match at Mania to say he did it. So if Dixie goes, and takes all of Panda's money with her, I see TNA really having to start over. Maybe that will be a good thing but I see them going from the #2 to officially being on par with ROH if they can't find someone with deep pockets who is serious about building the promotion. I mean I would love to see the day when AJ, A Double, Bobby Roode, and Samoa Joe are paid and treated like the top 4 guys in the promotion, but I think there is downside to that as well. Angle, Sting, Hogan, all bring name value, but they don't have that much left to offer in the way of ROI, none in Hogan's case if you ask me. Jeff Hardy is a guy who can still perform, still sell merchandise and still legitimize your promotion. So he's the one guy I think TNA, whoever owns it, needs to make an effort to keep. I'm ready to see Dixie go. It's a pet project that she knows nothing about. The scary part is that sometimes it's better to dance with the devil you know than the one you don't. I don't want to see TNA shutdown or run into the ground, so it's a scary time to be a fan imo.
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Post by Punk on Oct 4, 2013 11:52:05 GMT -5
Well ing obviously. Fingers crossed people remember this everytime they post that 'the company is dying' from now on.
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Oct 4, 2013 17:55:20 GMT -5
Everyone clamoring for the Jarretts to take back over seems almost comical. When TNA first started up and Jarrett was running it, everyone bitched and complained about how TNA was nothing more than the JJ show. The show revolved around JJ and he wasnt putting people over. How many guys like Raven and Jeff Hardy, were we expecting JJ to put over for the TNA Title and he never did. Its just a constant moan and groan. There are problems. It aint perfect. But what I see on my tv is better than what is on Monday nights. And WWE is a billion dollar corporation with money, talent and generations of experience to lean on and they still cant put an entertaining product on. I feel like your opinions are biased due to you basically having free reign of TNA shows when you go. I seem to recall you telling me you don't pay to get in, etc. I am a huge proponent of TNA; wanting so adamantly for them to succeed, but even I can hardly stand watching the program anymore. I do DVR it, and I do watch the recording, but I find myself fast forwarding through 50% of the show. To say that what they're doing is more entertaining than what WWE is doing on Mondays is purely opinion, and an opinion I believe to be swayed by your ties to the employees of the company. I pay.....sometimes. Just depends on if I want to sit front row. I can assure you though, there is ZERO bias in my opinion concerning TNA vs. WWE. I call it like I see it. I have been critical of TNA and will continue to do so when I feel there is a reason to be. For instance how the AJ/Bully feud has no legs under it and the main attraction seems to be Dixie Carter's heel turn. I feel like the TNA World Title is playing second fiddle to something that was unnecessary to ramp up right before BFG. Subtle tease, sure. But the main attraction should be AJ/Bully and the TNA Title right now. Yes, it is my opinion that TNA is more entertaining than WWE. And until WWE does something worthwhile, I'll continue to feel that way. There is VERY little on WWE that even remotely entertains me. I got Punk/Heyman, The Shield (which is getting a bit boring considering they are hired goons for HHH now) and DB. Problem with DB is I HATE the way he is being handled right now. He is red hot, yet I am forced to watching look like a buffoon in most situations.
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Post by Scotty on Oct 4, 2013 19:19:27 GMT -5
I swear people will believe anything. I could make an article on a dirt sheet saying TNA will close tomorrow and everyone would believe it...
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Post by Epic Z on Oct 4, 2013 22:50:45 GMT -5
I'm getting tired of everyone saying TNA is closing down and all this bull crap. TNA is not closing down.
I am also tired of all these smart ass WWE fans in the TNA board acting like they know everything but they probably haven't even watched the product in months/years.
TNA is owned by Panda Energy which is a million dollar company! Also they just free'd up about 35k if Hogan really is gone.
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Post by Danger10 on Oct 4, 2013 23:15:36 GMT -5
Everyone clamoring for the Jarretts to take back over seems almost comical. When TNA first started up and Jarrett was running it, everyone bitched and complained about how TNA was nothing more than the JJ show. The show revolved around JJ and he wasnt putting people over. How many guys like Raven and Jeff Hardy, were we expecting JJ to put over for the TNA Title and he never did. Its just a constant moan and groan. There are problems. It aint perfect. But what I see on my tv is better than what is on Monday nights. And WWE is a billion dollar corporation with money, talent and generations of experience to lean on and they still cant put an entertaining product on. I'll admit that was me, but I still prefer that period of TNA to the current product.
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Oct 4, 2013 23:20:12 GMT -5
Everyone clamoring for the Jarretts to take back over seems almost comical. When TNA first started up and Jarrett was running it, everyone bitched and complained about how TNA was nothing more than the JJ show. The show revolved around JJ and he wasnt putting people over. How many guys like Raven and Jeff Hardy, were we expecting JJ to put over for the TNA Title and he never did. Its just a constant moan and groan. There are problems. It aint perfect. But what I see on my tv is better than what is on Monday nights. And WWE is a billion dollar corporation with money, talent and generations of experience to lean on and they still cant put an entertaining product on. I'll admit that was me, but I still prefer that period of TNA to the current product. Fair enough. I bitched about it too. I'm not saying I am against Jarrett. I am simply saying its not a guaranteed fix for the company. Nor is Heyman for those who keep clamoring for that. While Heyman, creatively, is a mastermind. His nose for business is about as poor as poor can be. Dreamer, Sandman, Dudleys, etc. all still claim Heyman owes them money.
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Post by deskjet on Oct 4, 2013 23:32:51 GMT -5
I feel like your opinions are biased due to you basically having free reign of TNA shows when you go. I seem to recall you telling me you don't pay to get in, etc. I am a huge proponent of TNA; wanting so adamantly for them to succeed, but even I can hardly stand watching the program anymore. I do DVR it, and I do watch the recording, but I find myself fast forwarding through 50% of the show. To say that what they're doing is more entertaining than what WWE is doing on Mondays is purely opinion, and an opinion I believe to be swayed by your ties to the employees of the company. Yes, it is my opinion that TNA is more entertaining than WWE. And until WWE does something worthwhile, I'll continue to feel that way. There is VERY little on WWE that even remotely entertains me. I got Punk/Heyman, The Shield (which is getting a bit boring considering they are hired goons for HHH now) and DB. Problem with DB is I HATE the way he is being handled right now. He is red hot, yet I am forced to watching look like a buffoon in most situations. Hold up, are you saying this last weeks Raw that featured the likes of 3MB, Khali, hornswaggle, and snake morella wasn't worthwhile? What about all the obvious tie in angles to the Diva show? And come on, huge stars like the Rhodes family and crying Big show are on there as well! Well at least give it up for El Doritoes and that mexican bull turd that jumps around,lol. Yea, I've enjoyed TNA much better as well. Sans the world title stuff, most of the show stays relevent to an end goal. I have no clue what the goal is in WWE.
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Post by Danger10 on Oct 4, 2013 23:36:42 GMT -5
I'll admit that was me, but I still prefer that period of TNA to the current product. Fair enough. I bitched about it too. I'm not saying I am against Jarrett. I am simply saying its not a guaranteed fix for the company. Nor is Heyman for those who keep clamoring for that. While Heyman, creatively, is a mastermind. His nose for business is about as poor as poor can be. Dreamer, Sandman, Dudleys, etc. all still claim Heyman owes them money. I agree it's not a fix, but I believe it would be an improvement. I'll guess we'll have to wait and see though. As far as the speculation of the Carter's selling TNA, I think we all want someone with experience and a successful track record in the business to buy it, unfortunately Jim Cornette said it best "Those who have the money don't know and those who know don't have the money."
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Post by tg11 on Oct 5, 2013 12:43:22 GMT -5
Imagine if Vince McMahon does buy TNA, then TNA will wind up just like WCW
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Post by punksnotdead on Oct 5, 2013 13:45:27 GMT -5
I'm getting tired of everyone saying TNA is closing down and all this bull crap. TNA is not closing down. I am also tired of all these smart ass WWE fans in the TNA board acting like they know everything but they probably haven't even watched the product in months/years. TNA is owned by Panda Energy which is a million dollar company! Also they just free'd up about 35k if Hogan really is gone. It's a billion dollar company, and we aren't discussing TNA going out of business. We are discussing TNA being sold because Dixie's dad is tired of her sh*t.
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Post by "The Gothic Superstar" Ronin on Oct 5, 2013 23:31:27 GMT -5
Heres the problem. Too many people have an opinion who have no right to have one
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Post by HHH316 on Oct 6, 2013 0:26:04 GMT -5
Everyone clamoring for the Jarretts to take back over seems almost comical. When TNA first started up and Jarrett was running it, everyone bitched and complained about how TNA was nothing more than the JJ show. The show revolved around JJ and he wasnt putting people over. How many guys like Raven and Jeff Hardy, were we expecting JJ to put over for the TNA Title and he never did. I absolutely agree with this. Jeff Jarrett was the reason I stopped following TNA for so many years. People want to run down Triple H for "holding guys down," but my God, Jarrett was way, way worse. It was like watching the Jeff Jarrett show, featuring TNA wrestlers. I might be in the minority, but I enjoy the product a lot more now than back then. Which isn't saying a lot. But I at least DVR the show & watch a match or two. Clearly, a change needs to be made, but lets not get crazy.
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Oct 6, 2013 1:12:35 GMT -5
Yes, it is my opinion that TNA is more entertaining than WWE. And until WWE does something worthwhile, I'll continue to feel that way. There is VERY little on WWE that even remotely entertains me. I got Punk/Heyman, The Shield (which is getting a bit boring considering they are hired goons for HHH now) and DB. Problem with DB is I HATE the way he is being handled right now. He is red hot, yet I am forced to watching look like a buffoon in most situations. Hold up, are you saying this last weeks Raw that featured the likes of 3MB, Khali, hornswaggle, and snake morella wasn't worthwhile? What about all the obvious tie in angles to the Diva show? And come on, huge stars like the Rhodes family and crying Big show are on there as well! Well at least give it up for El Doritoes and that mexican bull turd that jumps around,lol. Yea, I've enjoyed TNA much better as well. Sans the world title stuff, most of the show stays relevent to an end goal. I have no clue what the goal is in WWE. The goal is to put HHH over right now. I hated the idea of Los Matadores, but I kind of enjoyed what I saw this week. I am reconsidering my original opinion on them. But yes, the rest of the show is ing awful. Tired of Big Show ing crying all the time. And the story only got worse with HHH buying Big Show's mortgage. Ugh! The Rhodes family story is decent. But I am afraid they are gonna be made to look foolish at the PPV.
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Post by Raine on Oct 6, 2013 7:40:30 GMT -5
Break the bank and get Jim Ross, not as an on air talent but a creative adviser, he used to write WWF creative between 1996 - 98 along with Cornette. Also was head of talent signing, so knows a rough diamond. He has a wealth of knowledge in the wrestling business, he would be a proper quality aquisition unlike a show pony Hogan/Bischoff signing.
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Post by SuperJimmy12345 on Oct 6, 2013 9:51:29 GMT -5
Short term answer till they get their sh-t together: hire heyman I'm sure Heyman's happy where he is
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