WMDman
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Post by WMDman on Jan 18, 2014 20:18:39 GMT -5
Being an ECW mark I'm kinda biased, but to what others have said he was a fresh of breath air to commentary. Not only did he know his holds/moves he could keep me entertained, and that's what makes a perfect commentator
IMO Joey was ahead of his time, I have a feeling if he was in ROH 90% of you would be singing his praises and would want him in WWE
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Post by Turnbuckle Zealot(Phil) on Jan 18, 2014 23:58:29 GMT -5
Joey Styles should have Cole's job. He is the third greatest announcer ever & NO ONE has a legitimate argument against it. His promo about the demonization of the terms "Wrestling" & "Wrestlers" was brilliant beyond words. In an ideal world he would have stepped up to the booth at WrestleMania 25 after years of faithful dedication to the genre, shocked hands with Ross as the legend in his own time placed his iconic 10 gallon hat over his heart & said "The torch is hot, don't slow down with it."... Joey Styles is unappreciated by the world & mainstream fans can toss my salad ten ways to December to Dismember which is where I first saw him in person & shouted at the top of my lungs "THANK YOU JOEY!!!!" which he acknowledged with a thumbs up. Oh, I'm sure there are plenty of legitimate arguments against it. Who are your top 2? Jim Ross takes the number one spot for his perfect blend of authentic sportcaster commentary & narrative capacity to tell a compelling story & pull you into it with every word no matter how atrocious the color man. Gordon Solie earns the second spot only because he didn't have the artistry Jim possessed. Name me anyone I haven't mentioned that can touch Joey Styles. Tony Schivone was a despicable castoff baseball announcer, Bob Caudle sounded like a babbling retiree by comparison, Ron Trongard... Well.. I've quoted his one good call before... Name me ONE play by play commentator who can touch him? Matt Striker? I admire his knowledge, but his demeanor personifies a pseudo-intellectual. What about Michael Cole? His intended passionate voice-overs, knowledge of the holds is pure amateur when forced to stack up against Styles. Gorilla Monsoon is the only name I would even respect as a challenge, but he didn't bring all of the qualities needed to be the ultimate play by play announcer into as well-crafted a complete package.
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Post by Epic Z on Jan 19, 2014 0:08:20 GMT -5
Joey Styles was amazing! If anything imo Joel Grenter is overrated in terms of ECW announcers.
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Post by HuskerTornado on Jan 19, 2014 22:00:28 GMT -5
I will take Monsoon over anyone else, followed by Solie and Ross.
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Post by HHH316 on Jan 20, 2014 0:46:34 GMT -5
I always really enjoyed his work. If I had to nitpick to find something I didn't like, it would be his call when someone went for a cover, "2 anddd..." I was never a fan of that.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2014 3:59:42 GMT -5
Oh, I'm sure there are plenty of legitimate arguments against it. Who are your top 2? Jim Ross takes the number one spot for his perfect blend of authentic sportcaster commentary & narrative capacity to tell a compelling story & pull you into it with every word no matter how atrocious the color man. Gordon Solie earns the second spot only because he didn't have the artistry Jim possessed. Name me anyone I haven't mentioned that can touch Joey Styles. Tony Schivone was a despicable castoff baseball announcer, Bob Caudle sounded like a babbling retiree by comparison, Ron Trongard... Well.. I've quoted his one good call before... Name me ONE play by play commentator who can touch him? Matt Striker? I admire his knowledge, but his demeanor personifies a pseudo-intellectual. What about Michael Cole? His intended passionate voice-overs, knowledge of the holds is pure amateur when forced to stack up against Styles. Gorilla Monsoon is the only name I would even respect as a challenge, but he didn't bring all of the qualities needed to be the ultimate play by play announcer into as well-crafted a complete package. I'm not a Joey Styles fan. I think he is overrated and certainly isn't the third greatest announcer in wrestling history. I think you are romanticizing a moment (a very cool moment) that you had with Joey. There are some very legitimate arguments of commentators who are better than Joey Styles. 1. Gorilla Monsoon 2. Lance Russel 3. Jesse Ventura 4. Mike Tenay 5. Bobby Heenan 6. Marc Lowrance 7. Jerry Lawler 8. Bob Caudle 9. Alfred Hayes I'm not saying Joey doesn't deserve to be recognized for his ECW contributions and his promo on Raw was amazing, but he is not so far ahead of the pack that he is indisputably the third greatest announcer in wrestling's history.
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Post by BrIaNMeRcY on Jan 20, 2014 10:53:06 GMT -5
As it pertains to commentary in wrestling, telling the story and calling what you see is the two ingredients for a well-rounded commentator. Joey Styles' commentary was refreshing for the time. At that point in time, we had to hear the likes of Tony Schiavone and Vince McMahon. Schiavone usually proclaimed that ever night was "the most important night in the history of our sport" and Vince McMahon having an orgasm when Shawn Michaels came down to the ring.
If anything, I loved the duo of Don Callis and Joey Styles. One of the most underrated commentary teams of all time.
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y2josh
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Post by y2josh on Jan 20, 2014 17:08:02 GMT -5
I'm not the man to ask about wrestling announcers, 'cause my favorite team of all time was Tenay/Schiavone/Heenan. However, I have a soft spot for the impact WCW had on my life, and remember those times very fondly. I like certain ECW workers, but never liked the brand as a whole, and therefore, never bought into the Joey Styles hype.
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Post by King Richius on Jan 20, 2014 19:24:27 GMT -5
I thought Joey Styles was the perfect announcer for ECW, but his best work came when he was paired with someone like Shane Douglas or Taz. He did solid work for WWE as well, better than most. I'd take Styles over any current announcer on WWE, TNA, or ROH.
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Post by Turnbuckle Zealot(Phil) on Jan 20, 2014 21:48:48 GMT -5
Jim Ross takes the number one spot for his perfect blend of authentic sportcaster commentary & narrative capacity to tell a compelling story & pull you into it with every word no matter how atrocious the color man. Gordon Solie earns the second spot only because he didn't have the artistry Jim possessed. Name me anyone I haven't mentioned that can touch Joey Styles. Tony Schivone was a despicable castoff baseball announcer, Bob Caudle sounded like a babbling retiree by comparison, Ron Trongard... Well.. I've quoted his one good call before... Name me ONE play by play commentator who can touch him? Matt Striker? I admire his knowledge, but his demeanor personifies a pseudo-intellectual. What about Michael Cole? His intended passionate voice-overs, knowledge of the holds is pure amateur when forced to stack up against Styles. Gorilla Monsoon is the only name I would even respect as a challenge, but he didn't bring all of the qualities needed to be the ultimate play by play announcer into as well-crafted a complete package. I'm not a Joey Styles fan. I think he is overrated and certainly isn't the third greatest announcer in wrestling history. I think you are romanticizing a moment (a very cool moment) that you had with Joey. There are some very legitimate arguments of commentators who are better than Joey Styles. 1. Gorilla Monsoon 2. Lance Russel 3. Jesse Ventura 4. Mike Tenay 5. Bobby Heenan 6. Marc Lowrance 7. Jerry Lawler 8. Bob Caudle 9. Alfred Hayes I'm not saying Joey doesn't deserve to be recognized for his ECW contributions and his promo on Raw was amazing, but he is not so far ahead of the pack that he is indisputably the third greatest announcer in wrestling's history. Don't mock me for a cool moment I experienced. He was walking down the entrancee ramp before the show went live, & he acknowledged me. He turned to the left & waved directly at me. Moving on, as far as play by play announcers are concerned, no one you mentioned was as good as Styles overall. I also don't know why on earth you would consider Caudle as a superior to Lord Hayes. Bob Caudle stuttered & found himself at a loss for words far too often to be considered better than any announcer. There is one major aspect where Gorilla trumped everyone & that was giving excellent comebacks to the "Heel Schtick" Ventura, Heenan or any villain in the booth with him. I don't consider Styles to be far ahead of Monsoon, Russell or Trongard. It's the equivalent of powerlifting record lists when the #3 spot holder Squats 980 followed by a 975 squatter, a 968, 955 & so on. They are all extremely close from what I've deduced. My observation of Styles' position may just be biased, but I've done my best to base it off of the qualities that make great commentators be them wrestling exclusive or secular. (Sports, News etc.)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2014 1:08:18 GMT -5
I'm not a Joey Styles fan. I think he is overrated and certainly isn't the third greatest announcer in wrestling history. I think you are romanticizing a moment (a very cool moment) that you had with Joey. There are some very legitimate arguments of commentators who are better than Joey Styles. 1. Gorilla Monsoon 2. Lance Russel 3. Jesse Ventura 4. Mike Tenay 5. Bobby Heenan 6. Marc Lowrance 7. Jerry Lawler 8. Bob Caudle 9. Alfred Hayes I'm not saying Joey doesn't deserve to be recognized for his ECW contributions and his promo on Raw was amazing, but he is not so far ahead of the pack that he is indisputably the third greatest announcer in wrestling's history. Don't mock me for a cool moment I experienced. He was walking down the entrancee ramp before the show went live, & he acknowledged me. He turned to the left & waved directly at me. Moving on, as far as play by play announcers are concerned, no one you mentioned was as good as Styles overall. I also don't know why on earth you would consider Caudle as a superior to Lord Hayes. Bob Caudle stuttered & found himself at a loss for words far too often to be considered better than any announcer. There is one major aspect where Gorilla trumped everyone & that was giving excellent comebacks to the "Heel Schtick" Ventura, Heenan or any villain in the booth with him. I don't consider Styles to be far ahead of Monsoon, Russell or Trongard. It's the equivalent of powerlifting record lists when the #3 spot holder Squats 980 followed by a 975 squatter, a 968, 955 & so on. They are all extremely close from what I've deduced. My observation of Styles' position may just be biased, but I've done my best to base it off of the qualities that make great commentators be them wrestling exclusive or secular. (Sports, News etc.) I wasn't mocking you. I've told you before, you're one of my favorite posters on this site. I do think having Joey Styles acknowledge your comment may weigh on your opinion. My list wasn't in order. It was just a list of the commentators who I think could be ranked higher than Joey Styles.
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Post by Turnbuckle Zealot(Phil) on Jan 21, 2014 3:09:02 GMT -5
I was being dramatic & thank you.
Brad Armstrong sat me down at an Indy show & told me some of the secrets because he couldn't all of the antiquitous Wrestlers I knew of. When I showed him my Harley Race headbutt, he was astonished a 13 year old knew anything about a main event player from 20 years before said teen was born.
I'll always consider him a competent instructor for that lecture he gave me, but I still give him a 19 on a scale from 1 to 100. The men who trained me in the ring are wonderful friends, mentors, & opponents at the Indy level, but they are terrible otherwise. I basically just used that time learning more of the don'ts than dos of the wrestling profession from them. I still love them, but my capacity to judge them isn't hindered by their kindness except when I have to tell them.
For the record, much of Joey's early work showed room for improvement, but he had more good than bad overall. My main reason for considering him among the upper elite is due to how much he contributed to WWE.
For the sake of an incoherent metaphor, he was the Brock Lesnar of the booth. No one person had taken to WWE's commentary team so quickly, provided such quality insight & pulled fans into matches with such effectiveness in that short of a tenure.
The only three men mentioned by any of us that are legitimate considered above him by his peers, fans, & critics alike overall are the only three play by play announcers inducted into WWE's Hall of Fame.
It's clearly not set in stone that he's third specifically, but he is certainly not over rated.
He is beyond refute, simply one of the best play by play announcers to ever dawn the headphones. A man with an exceptional oratory capacity, knowledge of his subject, & passion to perform his job to the best of his ability.
Sidenote: Out of the play by play men of this century, where would you rank him? I'd put him in a tie with Tenay for #2 behind Ross.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2014 13:37:45 GMT -5
I'll mirror a lot of others and say Styles was fine. He was a little too over the top, but, then again, so was ECW. I agree he was better with someone to play off of. Sometimes in ECW he took away from the match with his screaming.
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Post by jakksking1 on Jan 22, 2014 8:54:39 GMT -5
Mid 90s announcing was horrendous. The fact that Styles went out their by himself and did a decent job makes him stand out.
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