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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Jan 21, 2014 0:47:31 GMT -5
I have pitched a booking idea on here, I'm sure many of you recall, for how TNA can reinvent itself. The one I laid out was designed in the image of the old World Class/CWA/USWA angle...for any of you older wrestling fans who might remember it. If you wiki WCCW or USWA...you can read about exactly what went down. The Von Erichs in reality still owned a share of the company, but the majority went to the Jarretts in the new USWA.
So now fast forward 25 years or so later. TNA could use a rebranding, much like World Class needed at the time. And guess who is involved with TNA as a minority owner....oh yeah, Jeff Jarrett. The SAME JEFF JARRETT who played a major role on the CWA side in forming USWA. The SON of the man who owned the majority stake of USWA and helped orchestrate this entire angle.
Jarrett just "resigned" from TNA. Rumors are he is starting his own wrestling promotion. AJ Styles, big face of TNA, is gone and is a free agent. Team Jarrett? Jeff Hardy said he cant stand Dixie and walked out. Walk over to Team Jarrett? Sting isnt gonna have his contract renewed if he loses. Team Jarrett? Wolves say a new investor hired them. Maybe it was an old investor with new money. JJ? Could all of this be Jeff Jarrett doing one of the greatest stories in pro wrestling history and imaging it to rebrand TNA? Could JJ use an old angle to breathe fresh life into TNA? A new name. A change of ownership...maybe JJ will become a majority owner, with Dixie taking a minority stake. I dont know. What I know is if they pull this off......JJ will be a genius! And its just the angle that TNA needs to get the company jump started and headed into a new direction.
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Post by ICW on Jan 21, 2014 1:06:15 GMT -5
That would be a breath of fresh air and a very interesting angle, recycled or not. But...I just wish I had confidence TNA could pull something like this off.
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Post by avanillamidget on Jan 21, 2014 3:51:05 GMT -5
Even if this isn't happening, now that you have me thinking about it, TNA has become a hell of a lot more interesting already.
Dixie is kind of self-sabotaging the show, while signing guys like the Wolves, and doing an innovative (homage) angle to start a new company?
I'll buy it... for now.
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Post by China Claus on Jan 21, 2014 4:08:24 GMT -5
I love your enthusiasm when it comes to TNA.
I remember when I was paying $10 every Wednesday just to watch TNA on TV. That was just a little over 10 years ago, and it's almost unthinkable now.
I have to say, anything Jeff Jarrett was a part of in the late 90's(especially in WCW)stunk to me. But in the early days of TNA, he seemed to keep me tuning in, and held the company together through their early years.
While I assume you are merely speculating, Jeff Jarrett seems like the only person that could bring this ship back above water.
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Post by marino13 on Jan 21, 2014 8:08:34 GMT -5
Well CM, I think your idea sounds great. Matter of fact I love it. I do remember the old WCCW & USWA storyline, so I'd welcome this.
Best case scenario, you're right. Worse case scenario, TNA is just falling apart.
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Jan 21, 2014 14:53:45 GMT -5
Let me be clear, all of this is my own pure speculation. I have been told ABSOLUTELY nothing. This is just me hoping for an angle and then me start seeing things that could be signs towards an angle to develop. It could all be BS and Jarrett's connection may just be coincidental.
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Post by Jack on Jan 21, 2014 17:06:31 GMT -5
I would love this.
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Jan 21, 2014 18:37:59 GMT -5
Would suck. A pseudo-interpromotional, "warring owners" storyline now would appeal to nobody because it's already been seen so many times. We had a Dixie's guys vs Hogan's guys storyline not that long ago. Dixie's guys vs Jarrett's guys is no better than that, and in fact, has about a million times less star power without the Hulkster. It's cute for fan-fantasy booking, I guess, but it'd do absolutely zero to turn TNA around.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2014 18:44:09 GMT -5
I'm down
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Jan 21, 2014 19:29:44 GMT -5
Would suck. A pseudo-interpromotional, "warring owners" storyline now would appeal to nobody because it's already been seen so many times. We had a Dixie's guys vs Hogan's guys storyline not that long ago. Dixie's guys vs Jarrett's guys is no better than that, and in fact, has about a million times less star power without the Hulkster. It's cute for fan-fantasy booking, I guess, but it'd do absolutely zero to turn TNA around. Here's the difference. In all the examples you provided, its just one side vs. another side for "control of TNA." Its all a work. The WCCW/CWA/USWA was NOT a work. It was never an angle done to just do. The Von Erichs relinquished controlling ownership of WCCW, while The Jarretts merged CWA to form USWA. The Von Erichs, the kings of Texas and a company that at one time was drawing better ratings than WWF on television, were now going to become minority owners in USWA. They allowed this change to play out on television, as it seemed like a money story and it would help introduce the Dallas crowd to CWA. The merging of rosters, biggest names of WCCW and biggest names of CWA is what formed USWA. In my scenario, it would Jarrett who would take over controlling interest and Dixie taking the backseat. If JJ can raise enough cash, he could purchase the piece he would need to garner the bigger share. Remember a lot of people here believed Dixie was looking for financial backing or to sell the company, just a few months ago. I didnt buy it. But what if I was wrong? What if Dixie had that intention and it was JJ that took her up on the offer? |
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Jan 21, 2014 19:46:41 GMT -5
Would suck. A pseudo-interpromotional, "warring owners" storyline now would appeal to nobody because it's already been seen so many times. We had a Dixie's guys vs Hogan's guys storyline not that long ago. Dixie's guys vs Jarrett's guys is no better than that, and in fact, has about a million times less star power without the Hulkster. It's cute for fan-fantasy booking, I guess, but it'd do absolutely zero to turn TNA around. Here's the difference. In all the examples you provided, its just one side vs. another side for "control of TNA." Its all a work. The WCCW/CWA/USWA was NOT a work. It was never an angle done to just do. It makes no difference whether it's "a work" or not. It's still a TV show storyline, and it's been done many times, including many times in TNA already. And if it happened, the "biggest names" from Jarrett's company are just TNA guys that people already don't see as worth spending money on. Interesting idea in the eighties. In 2014, nobody is going to care except people who already watch TNA. |
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Post by Epic Z on Jan 21, 2014 19:53:03 GMT -5
This would be awesome, but I don't really think there a chance it will happen.
Nice idea though.
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Jan 21, 2014 22:52:18 GMT -5
Here's the difference. In all the examples you provided, its just one side vs. another side for "control of TNA." Its all a work. The WCCW/CWA/USWA was NOT a work. It was never an angle done to just do. It makes no difference whether it's "a work" or not. It's still a TV show storyline, and it's been done many times, including many times in TNA already. And if it happened, the "biggest names" from Jarrett's company are just TNA guys that people already don't see as worth spending money on. Interesting idea in the eighties. In 2014, nobody is going to care except people who already watch TNA. Initially the angle isnt gonna attract new viewers. The idea is that word will spread that Dixie is out of power and TNA is dead and that the new company has taken over. People, whether they stay or dont, WILL tune in. History proves that. When TNA decided to bring Hogan and go live, head to head with Raw, the rating spiked. People wanted to tune in and see what was going on. It didnt stay and I think we all agree how Hogan did little to nothing to increase ratings. He definitely helped sell tickets and merchandise....but outside of that, not much. Also, this angle has NEVER been done with TNA before. You keep saying it has been, but thats false. Also, it has NOT been done many times. Feel free to name how many companies changed real life ownership and then put it on tv for a story? I'm guessing you cant name 1. Most certainly it NEVER happened in TNA. Yes, its a storyline. But its not a work. It would really happen. Thats why its never been done. Because no one has taken ownership from Dixie for real. |
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Jan 22, 2014 4:59:48 GMT -5
Initially the angle isnt gonna attract new viewers. The idea is that word will spread that Dixie is out of power and TNA is dead and that the new company has taken over. People, whether they stay or dont, WILL tune in. History proves that. When TNA decided to bring Hogan and go live, head to head with Raw, the rating spiked. People wanted to tune in and see what was going on. It didnt stay and I think we all agree how Hogan did little to nothing to increase ratings. He definitely helped sell tickets and merchandise....but outside of that, not much. Also, this angle has NEVER been done with TNA before. You keep saying it has been, but thats false. Also, it has NOT been done many times. Feel free to name how many companies changed real life ownership and then put it on tv for a story? I'm guessing you cant name 1. Most certainly it NEVER happened in TNA. Yes, its a storyline. But its not a work. It would really happen. Thats why its never been done. Because no one has taken ownership from Dixie for real. Once again: it doesn't matter if it's "not a work. The only people who wet their panties about "shoots" and "works" in TNA are people who follow internet sites and listen to shoot interviews and hang around airports for autographs and already watch TNA... Basically, the same people who fall for every TNA "major announcement." To the average viewer, yet another "LOL Dixie, I've got the power now!" storyline is not going to entice them to tune in. They don't give two craps whether the storyline on their TV is a "work" or a "shoot" -- it's wrestling, so everybody accepts that everything is fake on it anyway. If people cared about "work" and "shoot" then CM Punk would have skyrocketed ratings in 2011, when he was treading that line on a wrestling show that actually matters. It meant nothing when Hulk Hogan did the "LOL Dixie, I've got the power now" storyline. It would mean even less for no-name-value Jeff Jarrett to do it (and hasn't he already done it at least once?). It's cute that it excites you, but it's silly to fool yourself that Jeff Jarrett and Dixie Carter swapping some contracts around would excite new audiences into watching Gympact. |
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Post by @Sweetbob on Jan 22, 2014 16:19:16 GMT -5
Something new needs to happen.
After Hogan came in and basically re-branded it as 'WCW 2.0' and signed retread talent, they've been recycling old ideas.
They should just sign talented guys in the indies and turn themselves into the IWC-loved promotion. Let the old contracts expire and just keep a few of the originals. Imagine if they signed Chris Hero, Prince Devitt, Kevin Steen, etc (granted I'm not sure if any of those guys would ever do so), but the 'smart fans' would go nuts.
Did anyone other than smart fans realize how good Daniel Bryan was five years ago? They should invest in popular indie talent WWE deems 'small' and just go all-in. At this point, they have nothing to lose. Sign them to a deal that lets them still work indies and maybe even appear on one or two iPPVs.
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Jan 22, 2014 19:24:19 GMT -5
Initially the angle isnt gonna attract new viewers. The idea is that word will spread that Dixie is out of power and TNA is dead and that the new company has taken over. People, whether they stay or dont, WILL tune in. History proves that. When TNA decided to bring Hogan and go live, head to head with Raw, the rating spiked. People wanted to tune in and see what was going on. It didnt stay and I think we all agree how Hogan did little to nothing to increase ratings. He definitely helped sell tickets and merchandise....but outside of that, not much. Also, this angle has NEVER been done with TNA before. You keep saying it has been, but thats false. Also, it has NOT been done many times. Feel free to name how many companies changed real life ownership and then put it on tv for a story? I'm guessing you cant name 1. Most certainly it NEVER happened in TNA. Yes, its a storyline. But its not a work. It would really happen. Thats why its never been done. Because no one has taken ownership from Dixie for real. Once again: it doesn't matter if it's "not a work. The only people who wet their panties about "shoots" and "works" in TNA are people who follow internet sites and listen to shoot interviews and hang around airports for autographs and already watch TNA... Basically, the same people who fall for every TNA "major announcement." To the average viewer, yet another "LOL Dixie, I've got the power now!" storyline is not going to entice them to tune in. They don't give two craps whether the storyline on their TV is a "work" or a "shoot" -- it's wrestling, so everybody accepts that everything is fake on it anyway. If people cared about "work" and "shoot" then CM Punk would have skyrocketed ratings in 2011, when he was treading that line on a wrestling show that actually matters. It meant nothing when Hulk Hogan did the "LOL Dixie, I've got the power now" storyline. It would mean even less for no-name-value Jeff Jarrett to do it (and hasn't he already done it at least once?). It's cute that it excites you, but it's silly to fool yourself that Jeff Jarrett and Dixie Carter swapping some contracts around would excite new audiences into watching Gympact. The people you mention are exactly the people who do NOT fall for every Dixie announcement. Those folks are the main steam people. Why would smart marks, who are often the most critical, fall for those? In addition, what you are saying makes little to no sense. The smart mark audience is an audience that has widely turned AWAY from TNA. They ridicule it and are the ones that are calling for Dixie to be gone or Jarrett to be in charge or they want Heyman. Main stream audience dont give a crap who's in charge. They dont know that Heyman is a creative genius. CM Punk isnt gonna sky rocket ratings for WWE or TNA or anyone. Wrestling itself is down. The Rock is the only person who has move the dial in recent years for more than just 1 or 2 shows. the Rock was legit selling out arenas for PPVs, Raws, Smackdowns, etc. Punk shooting on WWE tv attracted only the smart mark crowd. The main stream audience jumped on cuz he turned face. Its funny how you are gonna sit here on a message board and make proclamations of how crapty my idea is when countless folks, smart marks and main streamers alike, are posting nothing but positive responses to it. You may feel free to crap all over it. You dont like it. You dont buy it. you hate TNA. Whatever. But you cant say that no one would care, cuz thats already disproven. Not just by the people in this thread but by ratings. I've made it clear that this isnt gonna be something thats gonna make TNA double in rating. But it is something that can spike an episode and hopefully grab a few extra folks for the week following. And if they can right the ship, then you will see more and more people tuning in. |
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Jan 22, 2014 19:30:01 GMT -5
Once again: it doesn't matter if it's "not a work. The only people who wet their panties about "shoots" and "works" in TNA are people who follow internet sites and listen to shoot interviews and hang around airports for autographs and already watch TNA... Basically, the same people who fall for every TNA "major announcement." To the average viewer, yet another "LOL Dixie, I've got the power now!" storyline is not going to entice them to tune in. They don't give two craps whether the storyline on their TV is a "work" or a "shoot" -- it's wrestling, so everybody accepts that everything is fake on it anyway. If people cared about "work" and "shoot" then CM Punk would have skyrocketed ratings in 2011, when he was treading that line on a wrestling show that actually matters. It meant nothing when Hulk Hogan did the "LOL Dixie, I've got the power now" storyline. It would mean even less for no-name-value Jeff Jarrett to do it (and hasn't he already done it at least once?). It's cute that it excites you, but it's silly to fool yourself that Jeff Jarrett and Dixie Carter swapping some contracts around would excite new audiences into watching Gympact. The people you mention are exactly the people who do NOT fall for every Dixie announcement. Those folks are the main steam people. Why would smart marks, who are often the most critical, fall for those? "Main steam people" don't care about TNA's monthly MAJOR ANNOUNCEMENT THAT WILL CHANGE THE FACE OF TNA FOREVER. The only people that do care are obsessives who watch either way. As would be true if they did your idea of Dixie vs Another Owner #48576857698567. lolwut  I assume that you have a link to an alternate universe where TNA did this idea and became a ratings hit? |
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Jan 22, 2014 19:32:38 GMT -5
The people you mention are exactly the people who do NOT fall for every Dixie announcement. Those folks are the main steam people. Why would smart marks, who are often the most critical, fall for those? "Main steam people" don't care about TNA's monthly MAJOR ANNOUNCEMENT THAT WILL CHANGE THE FACE OF TNA FOREVER. The only people that do care are obsessives who watch either way. As would be true if they did your idea of Dixie vs Another Owner #48576857698567. lolwut I assume that you have a link to an alternate universe where TNA did this idea and became a ratings hit? Main stream fans do not buy into "major announcements"?!?!!?!? Do you understand what a mainstream fan is what a smart mark is?! Smart marks dont buy into that crap cuz they....are SMART MARKS.  Please tell me you get this. I most definitely have a link. Google what the rating was for the episode of Impact that went head to head with Raw. They created a buzz and it paid off in the ratings. |
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Jan 22, 2014 19:41:45 GMT -5
Main stream fans do not buy into "major announcements"?!?!!?!? Do you understand what a mainstream fan is what a smart mark is?! Smart marks dont buy into that crap cuz they....are SMART MARKS. Please tell me you get this. I get that you think some mythical mainstream audience hangs on Dixie's Tweets and posts threads on mainstreamfan.com about TNA's "game-changing" announcements, yes.  But in reality, the only people paying any attention to that stuff are the obsessives. And at this point, even most of the obsessives only pay attention to that stuff to mock it. It's cute that you think the average viewer is captivated by Dixie's constant false promises, though. Yup, megastar wrestling legends Hulk Hogan and Ric Flair are definitely equal in mainstream appeal to the latest instalment of "Dixie vs Generic Opponent in ownership battle #49856757685." Adorable. |
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Jan 22, 2014 20:04:39 GMT -5
Main stream fans do not buy into "major announcements"?!?!!?!? Do you understand what a mainstream fan is what a smart mark is?! Smart marks dont buy into that crap cuz they....are SMART MARKS. Please tell me you get this. I get that you think some mythical mainstream audience hangs on Dixie's Tweets and posts threads on mainstreamfan.com about TNA's "game-changing" announcements, yes. But in reality, the only people paying any attention to that stuff are the obsessives. And at this point, even most of the obsessives only pay attention to that stuff to mock it. It's cute that you think the average viewer is captivated by Dixie's constant false promises, though. Yup, megastar wrestling legends Hulk Hogan and Ric Flair are definitely equal in mainstream appeal to the latest instalment of "Dixie vs Generic Opponent in ownership battle #49856757685." Adorable. You clearly have NO CONCERT of what a main stream fan is. That is EXACTLY what the sheep do. They hang on every single tweet TNA does. They hang on to every single announcement that is made. They cheer the good guys and boo the bad guys. Mega wrestling legends? Yes. But Hulk Hogan and Ric Flair arent moving ratings. They helped. They played a part. But it was just a part. |
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