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Post by Chief on Feb 25, 2014 0:12:50 GMT -5
And again Bryan hadn't been near the title at Survivor Series, TLC, or Rumble so you can't really say his Quest for the Title story was still going on.
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Post by J12 on Feb 25, 2014 0:14:22 GMT -5
It's the idea that Bryan's story arc was to win the Championship, not take down the Authority. Triple H should undoubtedly have been an obstacle on the road to redemption, but it should have been taken care of by now. The payoff is Bryan winning the title, for real. Not beating Triple H. I'd be more apt to get behind the idea if WWE had some monstrous title match planned for Wrestlemania that was simply too big to sacrifice in favor of giving Bryan the spotlight. But let's be honest, it doesn't get much more uninteresting than Orton/Batista. And that's not just my opinion, or this board's opinion, or the IWC's opinion, that's every crowd WWE has visited for the last month. People don't care about those guys. They don't want to see that match, especially not at Wrestlemania. In the end, Bryan probably gets his big title win at Extreme Rules on a far smaller stage where WWE can tuck him away and say "there you go", all the while lamenting in the fact that they stayed steadfast to their outdated ideals and shoved a match that no one wanted to see down everyone's throat. Story acrs don't end and haven't ended at Mania for a long, long time. Half of the matches get redone at the Extreme Rules PPV. Again you can win the title any day, Triple H hardly wrestles and hardly loses to anyone. Ergo HHH losing to Bryan at Mania IS A BIGGER DEAL. The story may have started out as Bryan's quest to the title but after a couple months in it was all Bryan vs. Authority. I completely disagree. There is no bigger moment than capturing the WWE Championship in the main event of Wrestlemania, especially when the title win means something. The only reason Bryan is involved with the Authority in the first place is because they were preventing him from winning the WWE Championship. When he moved onto the feud with the Wyatts, Triple H was nowhere to found, so I don't buy into the idea that the Authority angle is somehow bigger than the quest for the title. They are directly related to one another. But, to each his own. Evidently, we have very contrasting opinions on the matter and neither of us are going to be swayed.
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Post by Ultimate Figure Collector on Feb 25, 2014 0:16:35 GMT -5
It should be Bryan vs Triple H where if Bryan wins he's added to the main event. That would be the best payoff and would easily save Orton and Batista from getting heavily booed from the crowd. It's really the only way in my opinion. While I think Bryan/Triple H will be a great match, I agree that Bryan beatings Trips wouldn't exactly be a payoff but Bryan winning the WWE World Heavyweight Championship on the grandest stage of them all would be.
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Chief
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Post by Chief on Feb 25, 2014 0:19:48 GMT -5
Story acrs don't end and haven't ended at Mania for a long, long time. Half of the matches get redone at the Extreme Rules PPV. Again you can win the title any day, Triple H hardly wrestles and hardly loses to anyone. Ergo HHH losing to Bryan at Mania IS A BIGGER DEAL. The story may have started out as Bryan's quest to the title but after a couple months in it was all Bryan vs. Authority. I completely disagree. There is no bigger moment than capturing the WWE Championship in the main event of Wrestlemania, especially when the title win means something. The only reason Bryan is involved with the Authority in the first place is because they were preventing him from winning the WWE Championship. When he moved onto the feud with the Wyatts, Triple H was nowhere to found, so I don't buy into the idea that the Authority angle is somehow bigger than the quest for the title. But, to each his own. Evidently, we have very contrasting opinions on the matter and neither of us are going to be swayed. I'll stay this last thing to you, look back at the last 3-4 years of Wrestlemania and tell me if those WWE Title matches meant anything. I was at 27, 28, and 29 and neither of those WWE title matches were the better match or got the best reaction. The title doesn't mean anything anymore. Star power means something. Daniel Bryan beating HHH, a feat that few do, means A LOT.
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Post by punksnotdead on Feb 25, 2014 0:25:35 GMT -5
Yeah, but Triple H has been trying to stop him from winning the World Title. It's not really a personal thing between Triple H and Bryan, it's a corporate, you're not good enough type of thing. For Bryan, it's always been about the chase for the World Title to prove he is good enough, literally for months that's what he has been doing. The only way that Bryan vs Triple H holds continuity is if Triple H were champion, OR if beating Triple H somehow entitled Bryan to another World Title match. A straight grudge match doesn't make any sense, really. Bryan, by all booking accounts, should be entitled to another shot at the World Title after being screwed by Kane last night. They still have time to add a stipulation, do doubt, but Bryan beating Triple H, as it stands, doesn't help him become World Champion. I agree that they've been, sort of, telling this story since SummerSlam, but then, CM Punk was supposed to be in this match, not Bryan. It's not fully developed story telling because there was no intention of telling this story until just recently. So they are loosely connecting the dots and pretty much saying that the audience is just going to take the last 6 months at face value, versus seeing through what WWE is actually doing, which by all accounts is telling us to take Orton vs Batista up the ass and like it. Just my opinion though I suppose. ...so your Boss offers you a fair shot at a promotion and screws you out of it at the last second 3-4 times and its not personal? C'MON MAN! HHH has talked down to Bryan and insulted on EVERY LEVEL but its not personal? Gimme a break. It's not personal for Triple H. You obviously don't understand, which is fine. You used an example of a boss in the workplace holding down an employee with a singular goal. If WWE were telling that store I would agree with you, but they're not. You're more than entitled to your opinion, but this is pretty black and white for me.
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Post by J12 on Feb 25, 2014 0:27:09 GMT -5
I completely disagree. There is no bigger moment than capturing the WWE Championship in the main event of Wrestlemania, especially when the title win means something. The only reason Bryan is involved with the Authority in the first place is because they were preventing him from winning the WWE Championship. When he moved onto the feud with the Wyatts, Triple H was nowhere to found, so I don't buy into the idea that the Authority angle is somehow bigger than the quest for the title. But, to each his own. Evidently, we have very contrasting opinions on the matter and neither of us are going to be swayed. I'll stay this last thing to you, look back at the last 3-4 years of Wrestlemania and tell me if those WWE Title matches meant anything. I was at 27, 28, and 29 and neither of those WWE title matches were the better match or got the best reaction. The title doesn't mean anything anymore. Star power means something. Daniel Bryan beating HHH, a feat that few do, means A LOT. Which is precisely why I added the term "...especially when the title win means something." Bryan finally capturing the title at Wrestlemania would be a huge deal, because you're right, the title hasn't been a selling point of Wrestlemania for years. But that doesn't mean it can't be, or shouldn't be. A guy finally taking the title after a six month struggle puts the title picture in the forefront and solidifies its importance. We shouldn't be writing off the Championship forever just because WWE has failed to make it meaningful for the last few years. They have the opportunity to make it special, but, alas, we're going to see Randy Orton vs. Batista, so that idea goes out the window.
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Post by Chief on Feb 25, 2014 0:29:05 GMT -5
...so your Boss offers you a fair shot at a promotion and screws you out of it at the last second 3-4 times and its not personal? C'MON MAN! HHH has talked down to Bryan and insulted on EVERY LEVEL but its not personal? Gimme a break. It's not personal for Triple H. You obviously don't understand, which is fine. You used an example of a boss in the workplace holding down an employee with a singular goal. If WWE were telling that store I would agree with you, but they're not. You're more than entitled to your opinion, but this is pretty black and white for me. He singled out Bryan, called him ugly, called him a B+ player and said that he would never wrestle Bryan at Mania because Bryan isn't a star. He screwed Bryan at Summerslam and took the title away from him at Night of Champions and facilitated him losing the title at Hell In a Cell. Nothing personal there though.
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Post by Chief on Feb 25, 2014 0:32:07 GMT -5
I'll stay this last thing to you, look back at the last 3-4 years of Wrestlemania and tell me if those WWE Title matches meant anything. I was at 27, 28, and 29 and neither of those WWE title matches were the better match or got the best reaction. The title doesn't mean anything anymore. Star power means something. Daniel Bryan beating HHH, a feat that few do, means A LOT. Which is precisely why I added the term "...especially when the title win means something." Bryan finally capturing the title at Wrestlemania would be a huge deal, because you're right, the title hasn't been a selling point of Wrestlemania for years. But that doesn't mean it can't be, or shouldn't be. A guy finally taking the title after a six month struggle puts the title picture in the forefront and solidifies its importance. We shouldn't be writing off the Championship forever just because WWE has failed to make it meaningful for the last few years. They have the opportunity to make it special, but, alas, we're going to see Randy Orton vs. Batista, so that idea goes out the window. And that's all fine and good but one guy winning the title on one night doesn't make it important. It's what happens after the guy wins the title that solidifies its importance. After the night of Summerslam you could've said the title was important. Bryan won the big one and got screwed by Orton/HHH, giving a red hot angle. Fast forward 6 months and it doesn't mean a thing.
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Post by J12 on Feb 25, 2014 0:34:12 GMT -5
Which is precisely why I added the term "...especially when the title win means something." Bryan finally capturing the title at Wrestlemania would be a huge deal, because you're right, the title hasn't been a selling point of Wrestlemania for years. But that doesn't mean it can't be, or shouldn't be. A guy finally taking the title after a six month struggle puts the title picture in the forefront and solidifies its importance. We shouldn't be writing off the Championship forever just because WWE has failed to make it meaningful for the last few years. They have the opportunity to make it special, but, alas, we're going to see Randy Orton vs. Batista, so that idea goes out the window. And that's all fine and good but one guy winning the title on one night doesn't make it important. It's what happens after the guy wins the title that solidifies its importance. After the night of Summerslam you could've said the title was important. Bryan won the big one and got screwed by Orton/HHH, giving a red hot angle. Fast forward 6 months and it doesn't mean a thing. And it doesn't mean a thing because the championship match at Wrestlemania is between Orton and Batista. We're just talking in circles here now, so it's best we both put it to rest.
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Post by Chief on Feb 25, 2014 0:35:34 GMT -5
And that's all fine and good but one guy winning the title on one night doesn't make it important. It's what happens after the guy wins the title that solidifies its importance. After the night of Summerslam you could've said the title was important. Bryan won the big one and got screwed by Orton/HHH, giving a red hot angle. Fast forward 6 months and it doesn't mean a thing. And it doesn't mean a thing because the championship match at Wrestlemania is between Orton and Batista. We're just talking in circles here now, so it's best we both put it to rest. Good debate and discussion though!
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Post by punksnotdead on Feb 25, 2014 0:37:52 GMT -5
It's not personal for Triple H. You obviously don't understand, which is fine. You used an example of a boss in the workplace holding down an employee with a singular goal. If WWE were telling that store I would agree with you, but they're not. You're more than entitled to your opinion, but this is pretty black and white for me. He singled out Bryan, called him ugly, called him a B+ player and said that he would never wrestle Bryan at Mania because Bryan isn't a star. He screwed Bryan at Summerslam and took the title away from him at Night of Champions and facilitated him losing the title at Hell In a Cell. Nothing personal there though. Not at all, not when Triple H's sole job has been to protect the World Title and the Corporate face of the company. That's why he attacked Bryan's character. The face of the company is a pretty boy like John Cena or Randy Orton, not a goat looking vanilla midget like Bryan. That's why he stopped him from winning the World Title, because he doesn't want a guy like Bryan representing his families company. I don't even understand what it is you're not understanding. Triple H's only job is to keep the World Title on someone the suits approve of or hand selected. He doesn't even like Randy Orton, so that's not personal either. It's just a matter of, kayfabe, having the title on someone who looks like a World Champion, which is apparently Orton or Batista. You know, Evolution.
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Post by speaktomeworriers on Feb 25, 2014 0:47:32 GMT -5
aNYWAYS, LETS ALL fACE IT, NOW THAT THE pPV`S ARE only 9.99 a month (technically about $0.32, if divided by a typical 31 day month) the ppv`s will get even worse then what they have been, and really? I dont see much of a difference between a ppv and a Raw, except most times Raw is better than the ppv, so unless they start saving real main event matches for ppvs, and not for every single week, then why even bother having a ppv?
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Post by johnnyaustin21 on Feb 25, 2014 1:17:41 GMT -5
Here's what the Wrestlemania card should have been....
The Undertaker .Vs John Cena
Triple H .Vs Daniel Bryan-WWE World Heayweight Title
Batista .Vs Brock Lesnar
Six Man No DQ Match: The Shield .Vs The Wyatt Family
Chris Jericho .Vs Rob Van Dam
Randy Orton .Vs Christian
Sheamus .Vs Big E
IC Title: Jack Swagger(C) .Vs Cesaro
WWE Tag Team Titles: The New Age Outlaws .Vs The Brotherhood .Vs The Usos
Diva's Title: AJ Lee(C) .Vs Lita
Special Guest Host:HULK HOGAN
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Post by BoJack Hogan on Feb 25, 2014 1:56:08 GMT -5
All I can really say is that Orton/Batista has the potential to be one of if not the worst Wrestlemania main event ever. I actually feel bad for both of them because this is not their fault.
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Post by Word™ on Feb 25, 2014 1:56:59 GMT -5
It should be Bryan vs Triple H where if Bryan wins he's added to the main event. That would be the best payoff and would easily save Orton and Batista from getting heavily booed from the crowd. It's really the only way in my opinion. While I think Bryan/Triple H will be a great match, I agree that Bryan beatings Trips wouldn't exactly be a payoff but Bryan winning the WWE World Heavyweight Championship on the grandest stage of them all would be. This. Something has GOT TO give with the Orton/Batista main event.. There is not a chance in hell that their match doesn't get boo'd from bell to bell. You have WWE fans from all across the globe. Fans that technically started the "YES!" hijacking chants at WM 28. They will boo, they will boo loud. WWE cannot be this arrogant. To put Orton/Batista on last.. There is just no way.
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Post by Jack on Feb 25, 2014 2:12:05 GMT -5
We have seen alot worst Mania cards....tbf.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2014 6:19:00 GMT -5
It should be Bryan vs Triple H where if Bryan wins he's added to the main event. That would be the best payoff and would easily save Orton and Batista from getting heavily booed from the crowd. It's really the only way in my opinion. While I think Bryan/Triple H will be a great match, I agree that Bryan beatings Trips wouldn't exactly be a payoff but Bryan winning the WWE World Heavyweight Championship on the grandest stage of them all would be. This. Something has GOT TO give with the Orton/Batista main event.. There is not a chance in hell that their match doesn't get boo'd from bell to bell. You have WWE fans from all across the globe. Fans that technically started the "YES!" hijacking chants at WM 28. They will boo, they will boo loud. WWE cannot be this arrogant. To put Orton/Batista on last.. There is just no way. You would imagine so man......but honestly at this point I dunno. they have had SO many chances to blow the doors off with this WM but have failed to do so every time.
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Post by CrossRhodes on Feb 25, 2014 7:17:07 GMT -5
Its Wrestlemania 30!
30 Years of "Wrestling Entertainment", It should be the Grandest Show of them all!
But instead we get this Load of Old Sh*t! -.-
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Post by McBlake on Feb 25, 2014 12:50:51 GMT -5
Oh look, the internet crying over the WrestleMania card, again... Seriously, half the posts I read of yours is you moaning about people moaning.
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Post by China Claus on Feb 25, 2014 13:41:20 GMT -5
There's a lot of good points in this thread. I'm almost content with the way things are shaping out at this point, especially since I probably won't even be watching Wrestlemania.
I really don't think the WWE wants the spotlight on Daniel Bryan at the 30th anniversary of their biggest show. I'm sure they've been planning WM for awhile now, and initially, a Batista return, Rumble win, and WM main event sounded great, having the same sort of impact the Rock did the past few years. And I'm sure they didn't anticipate Daniel Bryan becoming as red-hot as he has. The WWE is going to have to make a choice. Give the fans what they want, or have the biggest match of the year booed out of New Orleans.
I would love to see D-Bry pull double-duty at Mania. Triple H says if he can beat him, D-Bry will be included in the main event. Or even job to Trips, then be inserted in the main event by guest host Hogan. It would be reminiscent of Bret Hart's performance at Wrestlemania 10, and be a feel good moment for everyone. I just hope one of these scenarios plays out, or the disappointment will continue....
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