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Post by SodaGuy on May 28, 2018 20:03:40 GMT -5
That's the nicest thing you've said to me.
'least most of us in this thread are capable of behaving like adults.
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Post by Nivro™ on May 28, 2018 20:25:56 GMT -5
That's the nicest thing you've said to me. 'least most of us in this thread are capable of behaving like adults.
you know I like you...dont always agree with you...but I still like you.
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Post by SodaGuy on May 28, 2018 20:42:15 GMT -5
That's the nicest thing you've said to me. 'least most of us in this thread are capable of behaving like adults.
you know I like you...dont always agree with you...but I still like you.
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Post by Nivro™ on May 28, 2018 20:48:04 GMT -5
you know I like you...dont always agree with you...but I still like you.
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Post by Ryan81398 on May 28, 2018 21:35:39 GMT -5
3 races, 3 awful finishes. I was really hoping for better today. If it was your driver who won the 600 you'd be saying it was the greatest race ever. Kyle has you haters triggered. There's a difference in enjoying the result and enjoying the finish. If my driver had won, I'd be happy, but I'd still be willing to admit watching someone drive away the entire race is boring.
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Post by "The Visionary" Eldniw on May 29, 2018 7:01:49 GMT -5
P2 isn't bad. Wanted a win, but MTJ had bad pit stops most of the night. Room for improvement there for sure. And I won't necessarily "hate" but when KB leads 392 of 400 laps, and doesn't lose the lead under green on the track at all, then talk to me. As good as it may have been, his performance still wasn't a 2016 MTJ Coke 600 performance.
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Post by Nivro™ on May 29, 2018 18:57:19 GMT -5
Im just gonna throw this out there...
Trevor Bayne 2017 Kansas- 10th Charlotte- 16th
Matt Kennesth 2018 Kansas- 36th Charlotte- 17th
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Post by SodaGuy on May 29, 2018 20:13:41 GMT -5
P2 isn't bad. Wanted a win, but MTJ had bad pit stops most of the night. Room for improvement there for sure. And I won't necessarily "hate" but when KB leads 392 of 400 laps, and doesn't lose the lead under green on the track at all, then talk to me. As good as it may have been, his performance still wasn't a 2016 MTJ Coke 600 performance.
i kid because i care
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Post by finnbalor1 on May 30, 2018 19:47:56 GMT -5
P2 isn't bad. Wanted a win, but MTJ had bad pit stops most of the night. Room for improvement there for sure. And I won't necessarily "hate" but when KB leads 392 of 400 laps, and doesn't lose the lead under green on the track at all, then talk to me. As good as it may have been, his performance still wasn't a 2016 MTJ Coke 600 performance. Yeah his crew has been pretty rough this year .I think thats his biggest difference from last year if he got the same production out of them he'll be where he was last year. I think Visser needs to hire his own pit crew not saying Gibbs is giving him a bad crew but I think the owner should have control over the crew not another owner.
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Post by Nivro™ on May 30, 2018 19:55:37 GMT -5
P2 isn't bad. Wanted a win, but MTJ had bad pit stops most of the night. Room for improvement there for sure. And I won't necessarily "hate" but when KB leads 392 of 400 laps, and doesn't lose the lead under green on the track at all, then talk to me. As good as it may have been, his performance still wasn't a 2016 MTJ Coke 600 performance. Yeah his crew has been pretty rough this year .I think thats his biggest difference from last year if he got the same production out of them he'll be where he was last year. I think Visser needs to hire his own pit crew not saying Gibbs is giving him a bad crew but I think the owner should have control over the crew not another owner. Gibbs is no doubt poaching Crew from MTJ. The proof is how good they were last year and how many problems the Gibbs drivers had...now MTJ crew is mediocre and Gibbs drivers and almost flawless. If I have an alliance with a team and they're giving me the short end of the stick, dont think I wouldnt have a problem slapping a blue oval or bowtie on my car. Not saying its happening but you gotta question it.
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Post by finnbalor1 on May 30, 2018 20:38:04 GMT -5
Yeah his crew has been pretty rough this year .I think thats his biggest difference from last year if he got the same production out of them he'll be where he was last year. I think Visser needs to hire his own pit crew not saying Gibbs is giving him a bad crew but I think the owner should have control over the crew not another owner. Gibbs is no doubt poaching Crew from MTJ. The proof is how good they were last year and how many problems the Gibbs drivers had...now MTJ crew is mediocre and Gibbs drivers and almost flawless. If I have an alliance with a team and they're giving me the short end of the stick, dont think I wouldnt have a problem slapping a blue oval or bowtie on my car. Not saying its happening but you gotta question it. Yeah I think you're right I dont think they are getting no where near the crew they got last year but I dont know it for sure maybe they are just having some bad luck or need time to work together but like you said anybody got to question it. I think Gibbs helped them out more last year because Visser was giving Jones a car to drive until Gibbs could find him a spot now he got Erik under his banner he doesn't need Furniture Row anymore and it didnt help any when Truex beat Kyle for the championship. I just think Visser gotta go out and hire his own crew I mean the man owns a championship team. Does he want the situation at the Brickyard to happen again going into Homestead .
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Post by SodaGuy on May 31, 2018 1:59:08 GMT -5
It's not poaching when they are already your employees but I digress. There was turnover within the line-ups simply because there is almost always turnovers within organizations especially when there is a restructuring within the organizations. The No. 77 shuttering following Erik Jones moving to the No. 20 basically opened the door for Joe Gibbs Racing to bring some of their crew-members back into their organizational crews. There were two of those crew members brought back into the organization. Denny Hamlin has one of them on the No. 11 team (jackman) and Kyle Busch has one of them (fueler) on the No. 18 team. I'd imagine most people here would agree it's smart for Joe Gibbs Racing to bring those two back into their organization instead of allowing them to be signed by another organization given the circumstances.
Now.. there were three direct changes on the No. 78 team heading into the 2018 season. They have a new tire carrier who came from Richard Childress Racing and the No. 3 team from the previous season to replace their tire carrier from the 2017 season which is now working on the No. 11 team with Denny Hamlin. They have a new jackman who was the jackman on the No. 20 last season. There was basically a swap of the jackman between the No. 78 and No. 20 teams. They've also got a brand new tire changer who came from Joe Gibbs Racing and worked on the No. 18 / No. 19 teams during the 2017 season. The No. 18 has been said countless times to be one of the best crews in the business and Joe Gibbs Racing loaned the tire changer to them. If getting the tire changer who helped win a championship in 2015 and led them back to the final four in 2016.. then there's a bunch of teams that'd love Gibbs to give 'em the short stick.
There are many reasons that could explain the issues with the No. 78. They could be struggling with the new rules including the spec air gun and less men over the wall during stops. They could just be having chemistry issues at the moment. Hell.. maybe they're actually going a good job compared to everyone but the No. 18 / No. 11 teams are back to being a cut above the rest again. Again.. many reasons could explain it other than some crazy ass theory that Gibbs is trying to screw them because "oh well we don't need 'em and they beat us for the championship" when that literally goes against everything that they and Toyota have been doing for the last several seasons.
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Post by finnbalor1 on May 31, 2018 18:23:21 GMT -5
Yeah I say most the times you see turnovers in NASCAR but I never seen a championship team change over half their crew. I'm not saying its a bad thing for Gibbs he owns the 11,18,19 and 20 he should make those teams the strongest as possible thats what he owes his drivers and fans but like Nivro said you still got to question if he is doing it. I'm not saying he doing it like I said they could be just having bad luck or getting used to working with each other or like you said could be just the new rules they need time to get use to them. I dont think its "some crazy a$$ theory" to think Kyle and Joe didnt like getting beat by their own crew in the championship but thats my opinion. My main thing I was saying I just think Visser should hire his own crew and not let what happen last year at the Brickyard happen again.
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Post by finnbalor1 on Jun 1, 2018 21:15:45 GMT -5
Blaney and Harvick on front row and McMurray and Truex Jr starting 3rd and 4th for Sunday. Seems like Ryan is strong at Pocono again.
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Post by SodaGuy on Jun 3, 2018 16:05:48 GMT -5
It’s beyond ridiculous that the third place driver is at a disadvantage on restarts to the fourth place driver. He’s running better than him, but gets screwed on double file restarts? It’s pretty damn stupid. Either so away with double file restarts or have them use the cone file for heavens sake. Should never be a disadvantage to be running *better* than someone.
Guess it’s expected from a sanctioning body that’s trying to be sports entertainment than an actual sport.
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Post by finnbalor1 on Jun 3, 2018 16:17:24 GMT -5
Imo the best car won even after his problem in the pits I thought Harvick could get back to him but the 78 was to strong at the end. I think thats the best 4 cars in the sport and it was nice to see all of them run for the win instead of couple having problems and 1 or 2 run away from the field I just hoped Harvick wouldnt be the last of the 4. Imo one of the best races all season its gonna be a great Chase if these 4 run like this rest of the season.
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Post by blissfan4life on Jun 3, 2018 16:22:01 GMT -5
Boo Truex won!
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Post by SodaGuy on Jun 3, 2018 16:22:12 GMT -5
‘least IndyCar is on today. Best racing in the world. Don’t @ me.
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Post by finnbalor1 on Jun 3, 2018 16:25:01 GMT -5
It’s beyond ridiculous that the third place driver is at a disadvantage on restarts to the fourth place driver. He’s running better than him, but gets screwed on double file restarts? It’s pretty damn stupid. Either so away with double file restarts or have them use the cone file for heavens sake. Should never be a disadvantage to be running *better* than someone. Guess it’s expected from a sanctioning body that’s trying to be sports entertainment than an actual sport. I agree it doesn't make sense the third,fifth, seventh etc. Are at a disadvantage to the car beside them I dont really know how to fix it. It will be to much trouble letting them pick their lane only thing I can think of whatever lane the leader lines up in the odd cars lines up behind him but thats still not a great fix when sometimes teammates let's each other in but it is gotta be something done to fix it .
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Post by ~*Young $ Money*~ on Jun 3, 2018 17:09:33 GMT -5
Go get a tissue you crybabies. If it was your driver you'd be jumping up and down.
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