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Post by Ian from 616Entertainment. on Mar 27, 2014 23:14:37 GMT -5
I think it could hurt his career. I think this really shows the boys, and any executives of WWE or any other company he might work for that he's not a team player. He claimed to be somebody that wanted to get guys like Tyson Kidd, Colt Cabana, Luke Gallows, Vladamir Kozlov and other held down and disrespected wrestlers equal and fair treatment and CM Punk also claimed that he wanted to make WWE fun again for the fans. Then, because he felt HE should be the main event, he breached his contract and walked out on the other superstars, his company that invested a lot of time and money into him, and his fans that spend a lot of time and money supporting him and buying his products. CM Punk is just another guy in a long list of guys in the business that only cares about themselves. All that change he talked about wanting...it was all just BS. He said what he said and did what he did to politic himself into a better position for HIMSELF. He never made WWE a better place for anybody but himself, and even that wasn't good enough for him. He proved to be a guy that sticks up for the younger guys/guys that are held down by being so outspoken on the subject. He wanted to make it fun again for the fans? He did. He brought me back to wrestling after I left the terrible 2008 product behind for three years. Your entire final paragraph is wrong, in my opinion. He cared about himself? Uh, he should. Sure, he's an employee, but he's also a human being. You can work at ing Target if you want to. If they want you to work all these crazy, unhealthy hours and you bust your ass for years and don't see a payoff, you don't get in return what you put in, you should find something else to do. It's an unhealthy relationship. I think getting himself in a better position is the move that actually did help the other guys. He was able to do it, he broke the mold. The first big indy guy to come in and make it work. Look how many of these guys are on the roster now, thriving.
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Post by Joe/Smurf on Mar 27, 2014 23:54:26 GMT -5
We haven't the slightest idea is what the true story is behind him leaving the company. We have no understanding WHY he left, just that he did. I think I'd have to know the whole story before I said whether or not he damaged his career. From the sounds of everything, it seems like he and Vince had a pretty okay relationship or that Vince actually at least trusted him at this point of his career. So, who knows on what terms he left.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2014 23:57:43 GMT -5
he ended it, so damaged? yes, but he doesn't care because he's done
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2014 0:12:19 GMT -5
His career wasn't damaged... WWE was making him feud with axel and Ryback for s sake that's damaging a career.... Lol he left before they made him do stupid craplike that more often
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Post by BØRNS on Mar 28, 2014 0:32:28 GMT -5
Umm, no. I think that if/when he wants to return, he will get a major upswing in interest because it'll be cool again to be a fan. He'll get a lot of support and WWE would position him in a good way, I think.
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Post by Nirvana is Happiness on Mar 28, 2014 1:23:54 GMT -5
As much as I've enjoyed Punk from ROH all the way to headlinging WWE events, I feel like he has done something to his wrestling legacy. I'm not sure if he has added to it or tarnished it yet, but I do miss him and his on screen appeal. I hope he will return within in the next three to four months and when he does, I really hope feels rested up, ready to go full throttle, and give us the best work of his career in the ring and on the mic. Maybe in this day and age, this is what the wrestling industry needs. Who knows? I do think, as of my now, to some of the roster he could look like a little bitch and to the other half he could look like a hero. Like I said, who knows?
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Post by K5 on Mar 28, 2014 1:40:02 GMT -5
i'm a massive fan of punk, but i think it's pretty undeniable that he stepped on a few toes. that being said, his career in my opinion was mishandled from the beginning, so it was always damaged.
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Post by King Silva on Mar 28, 2014 3:51:56 GMT -5
I think it did. It certainly didn't help so I would not be surprised if the higher ups held a grudge be it blatant or subtle.
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Post by kingnothing ~ Hardwired... on Mar 28, 2014 4:22:26 GMT -5
We haven't the slightest idea is what the true story is behind him leaving the company. We have no understanding WHY he left, just that he did. I think I'd have to know the whole story before I said whether or not he damaged his career. From the sounds of everything, it seems like he and Vince had a pretty okay relationship or that Vince actually at least trusted him at this point of his career. So, who knows on what terms he left. Do we really have no idea? Forget all the dirt sheets on this one with the reports from "those within the company" and look at what others are saying. Jr, Austin, Foley have all implied the same things, and I have a hard time believing that they're just speculating.
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Post by Emerald Enthusiast on Mar 29, 2014 5:30:28 GMT -5
Hall, Nash, and Hogan, three men who owe their success in the business to Vince McMahon, joined his biggest rival and tried to put WWE out of business. They all ended up working for him a few years later, as did Paul Heyman and Jim Cornette, both of whom were once competitors with no love for Vince. Feelings don't stay hurt when there is money to be made.
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Post by kingnothing ~ Hardwired... on Mar 29, 2014 15:10:46 GMT -5
Hall, Nash, and Hogan, three men who owe their success in the business to Vince McMahon, joined his biggest rival and tried to put WWE out of business. They all ended up working for him a few years later, as did Paul Heyman and Jim Cornette, both of whom were once competitors with no love for Vince. Feelings don't stay hurt when there is money to be made. I get the "money to be made" argument, but Hall, Nash, and Hogan all did something a little different: they left when their contracts were up. Sure, Punk could come back and money would be made. Water passes under the bridge and whatnot. But if it was a walk out like most seem to believe it was, there are many more consequences for that action besides the monetary type.
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Post by Dan on Mar 29, 2014 15:24:41 GMT -5
I think he's looking at it now in the way that he could either stay in the active roster constantly on the road and not ever being made the number one guy, or take a long hiatus, allow his body to recover and return on a Batista/Rock type deal worth more with an easier schedule.
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Post by Emerald Enthusiast on Mar 29, 2014 22:54:55 GMT -5
Hall, Nash, and Hogan, three men who owe their success in the business to Vince McMahon, joined his biggest rival and tried to put WWE out of business. They all ended up working for him a few years later, as did Paul Heyman and Jim Cornette, both of whom were once competitors with no love for Vince. Feelings don't stay hurt when there is money to be made. I get the "money to be made" argument, but Hall, Nash, and Hogan all did something a little different: they left when their contracts were up. Sure, Punk could come back and money would be made. Water passes under the bridge and whatnot. But if it was a walk out like most seem to believe it was, there are many more consequences for that action besides the monetary type. Vince was widely known to be furious at all three men. The WWF threatened to sue Bischoff, Hall, and Nash citing copyright infringement if their WCW personas, both in look and name, resembled the gimmicks he built for them. Likewise, Vince has been quoted as saying that Hogan told him that he, Hulk, would "never work for another company" before jumping to WCW. Regardless of the validity of Vince's POV, there was a time when Vince would have destroyed the careers of Hogan, Hall, and Nash had he had the opportunity. Then came the opportunity to cash in on WCW's mid 90s success and Vince jumped on it. He was more than happy to have them feud with his top talent, Rock and Austin, and gave Hogan the title (a ridiculous move) despite his vitriol just a few years prior. Vince might be angry at Punk, but I doubt very seriously if he has the kind of loathing for Punk that he had for the original NWO. If he got over that, he'll get over Punk's walkout.
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Post by Calcifer Boheme on Mar 29, 2014 23:19:05 GMT -5
No. He doesn't need WWE, and if he ever wanted to come back they would treat him like the star he is. People have done worse to them and been treated like gold, so I don't think it would be a problem.
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Post by Alpha Q Up on Mar 29, 2014 23:26:26 GMT -5
I get the "money to be made" argument, but Hall, Nash, and Hogan all did something a little different: they left when their contracts were up. Sure, Punk could come back and money would be made. Water passes under the bridge and whatnot. But if it was a walk out like most seem to believe it was, there are many more consequences for that action besides the monetary type. Vince was widely known to be furious at all three men. The WWF threatened to sue Bischoff, Hall, and Nash citing copyright infringement if their WCW personas, both in look and name, resembled the gimmicks he built for them. Likewise, Vince has been quoted as saying that Hogan told him that he, Hulk, would "never work for another company" before jumping to WCW. Regardless of the validity of Vince's POV, there was a time when Vince would have destroyed the careers of Hogan, Hall, and Nash had he had the opportunity. Then came the opportunity to cash in on WCW's mid 90s success and Vince jumped on it. He was more than happy to have them feud with his top talent, Rock and Austin, and gave Hogan the title (a ridiculous move) despite his vitriol just a few years prior. Vince might be angry at Punk, but I doubt very seriously if he has the kind of loathing for Punk that he had for the original NWO. If he got over that, he'll get over Punk's walkout. I don't think anybody disagrees that Vince won't give two schits about the past if Punk can bring in the money, which he will. It's about HHH and his huge ego being destroyed by Punk refusing to wrestle him at Mania. Will HHH be able to forgive him? I really doubt it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2014 1:19:53 GMT -5
Hell no! As long as Punk can draw money, Vince will work with him. That being said, he will definitely have to job a high profile match and will likely never get the top spot that he left for in the first place.
Nevertheless, I tend to agree with the popular thought process that Punk didn't feel a match with Triple H at WM 30 was worth the time and effort with all his injuries and general fatigue. Plus it's kind of hard to enjoy all that hard-earned money on the WWE schedule. If he had been given the main event, I'm sure he would have battled through it. Either way, despite all his ruckus, he's hardly done anything to blacklist himself permanently from WWE. I seriously doubt we've seen the last of him...
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Post by Escape The Rules on Mar 30, 2014 15:03:30 GMT -5
It's not all about the money. If that was the case he would've left in July 2011. And if it was all about the money he would've left AFTER Wrestlemania this year where he would've collected a very nice sum.
He was obviously burned out and likely there's a whole bunch of other reasons & the straw broke the proverbial camel's back.
If this is how his career ends, it'll be a shame. I don't think it damaged his career but it isn't a good way for a guy like him to go out.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2014 2:51:59 GMT -5
"Oh my god Tenay, its Punker Brooks! whats he doing in the impact zome?!"
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Post by Flair Forever on Mar 31, 2014 7:27:29 GMT -5
Yes, I believe he has damaged his career, to an extent....
While I'm quite sure CM Punk and WWE will work together again.... Vince & Triple H will never make him the "top guy" again, he's proven to be too temperamental and they won't put the company in his hands. At best, he'll be a feature attraction, not unlike many of the "Part Timers" he claims to be so against. And that might not be a bad spot for CM Punk at this stage in his career - he's already talked about retirement soon anyway....
The WWE is very forgiving.... but it never forgets. Triple H said on his DVD (airing on WWE Network) that Vince told Hunter he'd "eat sh*t and learn to like it." I suspect this will apply to CM Punk, if he opts to come back.....
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Post by Epic Z on Mar 31, 2014 10:42:24 GMT -5
No CM Punk didn't damage his career, but fans are damaging there perception of CM Punk though if that makes sense. (Coming from a Punk supporter, I am not mad at him)
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