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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2014 17:59:08 GMT -5
Are you kidding? He made Curtis Axel. And this whole year has been incredible since Mania. 'I AM THE ONE, IN TWENTY ONE AND ONE' Lol...made Curtis Axel? What's he been made into? Michael McGillicutty 2.0? The other stuff I agree with. |
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Post by rustyy on Jul 12, 2014 17:59:19 GMT -5
People need to realize that not being a main eventer or world champion does not mean the wrestler is a failure. You can have a perfectly good career in the mid-card. Exactly. Being a midcarder is perfectly fine and can be entertaining. Take Damien Sandow of yesteryear, with his intellectual saviour gimmick, and Bad News Barrett. Very good wrestlers with good gimmicks who are likeable. They sure as hell arent main eventers (at that stage of their career) but they are doing a great job in the midcard. "Great job in the mid card" that's like coming in last place and saying "well at least I participated". Barrett and Sandow are two of the best talents WWE has had in years, both should be former WWE champions. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2014 17:59:54 GMT -5
Right. Michael was a clean slate when they renamed him, and for a while there he was doing alright. I mean, not everyone goes up against Triple H and comes out an I.C. Champion the next month. He beat Triple H in a 60 minute iron man match. How many other wrestlers can say they did that? Wait, what? When was this? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2014 18:04:26 GMT -5
Enough Paul Heyman guys it's getting so old
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2014 18:05:24 GMT -5
He beat Triple H in a 60 minute iron man match. How many other wrestlers can say they did that? Wait, what? When was this? TripleAtch made a match, Vince came out and said 'its over, Curtis wins' after a few minutes. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2014 18:05:46 GMT -5
Being a midcarder is perfectly fine and can be entertaining, but when you're put with Paul Heyman you're expected to be or become a main eventer, not end up floundering as a borderline jobber. Big Show, Brock Lesnar, CM Punk, Curtis Axel. One of those sticks out like sore thumb. Yeah, Big Show sucked. Transitional Champion, squashed at the Rumble and then immediately forgotten about. Big Show During and After Heyman: 4 time World Champion, 6 time Tag Champion, Intercontinental Champion, US Champion, certified main eventer still today. Curtis Axel During and After Heyman: Intercontinental Champion. Yeah, Curtis Axel is differently the winner. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2014 18:07:30 GMT -5
Yeah, Big Show sucked. Transitional Champion, squashed at the Rumble and then immediately forgotten about. Big Show During and After Heyman: 4 time World Champion, 6 time Tag Champion, Intercontinental Champion, US Champion, certified main eventer still today. Curtis Axel During and After Heyman: Intercontinental Champion. Yeah, Curtis Axel is differently the winner. 2003 for Big Show (the year after heyman.) U.S. Champion. Sorry, you were saying? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2014 18:20:00 GMT -5
Big Show During and After Heyman: 4 time World Champion, 6 time Tag Champion, Intercontinental Champion, US Champion, certified main eventer still today. Curtis Axel During and After Heyman: Intercontinental Champion. Yeah, Curtis Axel is differently the winner. 2003 for Big Show (the year after heyman.) U.S. Champion. Sorry, you were saying? Big Show >>>>>>>>>>> Curtis Axel On a universal level |
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Post by The Natural Eddy Valintino on Jul 12, 2014 18:27:13 GMT -5
Ryback? Failure. But people forget 'Michael McGillicutty' way too easy. But Ryback "failed" before he was put with Heyman. Ryback didn't even fail. They ruined him by not having him win the title at Hell In A Cell. That was on creative not Ryback. I actually disagree with that a little. I think they failed with Ryback when they turned him heel the night after Mania. I don't think Ryback needed to be the champion at Hell in a Cell. After they turned him heel, that's where Ryback's stock fell drastically. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2014 18:34:29 GMT -5
2003 for Big Show (the year after heyman.) U.S. Champion. Sorry, you were saying? Big Show >>>>>>>>>>> Curtis Axel On a universal level 20 Year Vet >>>>>>>>>> 3 (4?) Year Vet. And this is why people don't converse with you. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2014 18:47:03 GMT -5
Big Show >>>>>>>>>>> Curtis Axel On a universal level 20 Year Vet >>>>>>>>>> 3 (4?) Year Vet. And this is why people don't converse with you. Very valid reason why people "don't converse with me." Very valid. I converse in PM's so I don't "spam up a thread" as you like to say. |
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Post by kingnothing ~ Hardwired... on Jul 12, 2014 18:50:30 GMT -5
For me the concept became a bit stale when they brought in Axel. At that point, it went from Brock, Paul's guy from way back when, and Punk, they guy Paul stuck his neck out for behind the scenes, to Axel, who had little to no history anywhere with Heyman. It's like when the nWo started adding members 9, 10, 11 etc. Instead of being organic it starts to feel forced.
Even with Cesaro, I couldn't help but think it seemed odd, and not just because he'd won the battle royal the night before and was receiving a thunderous face reaction from the crowd.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2014 18:51:05 GMT -5
But Ryback "failed" before he was put with Heyman. Ryback didn't even fail. They ruined him by not having him win the title at Hell In A Cell. That was on creative not Ryback. I actually disagree with that a little. I think they failed with Ryback when they turned him heel the night after Mania. I don't think Ryback needed to be the champion at Hell in a Cell. After they turned him heel, that's where Ryback's stock fell drastically. To add to misteps with Ryback, I was really surprised at the Wrestlemania loss. Henry didn't have as much to gain from a win as Ryback did and while the Shell Shock was cool after the match, it woulda been better if it gave him the win. |
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Jul 12, 2014 18:52:19 GMT -5
Heyman's current run these last two years has proven that he's absolutely gold with an established superstar, but kind of a kiss of death for an up-and-coming guy.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2014 19:05:44 GMT -5
Bring him in to reform Kaientai.
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Post by The Natural Eddy Valintino on Jul 12, 2014 19:18:44 GMT -5
I actually disagree with that a little. I think they failed with Ryback when they turned him heel the night after Mania. I don't think Ryback needed to be the champion at Hell in a Cell. After they turned him heel, that's where Ryback's stock fell drastically. To add to misteps with Ryback, I was really surprised at the Wrestlemania loss. Henry didn't have as much to gain from a win as Ryback did and while the Shell Shock was cool after the match, it woulda been better if it gave him the win. That to. I remember being pissed when Henry won that match. |
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Post by jayrod2009 on Jul 12, 2014 19:23:07 GMT -5
I don't blame Heyman for Ryback / Axel. / Cesaro not getting over.
Axel is good in the ring, but sucks on the mic.
Cesaro is awesome in the ring, but sucks on a mic.
Ryback is good in the ring, and is ok on the mic.
Heyman is their mouthpiece. The fans aren't behind these guys. We need a game changer.
Bring in Zayne and start a summer/fall series between him and Cesaro. This will garnish fans. Keep Cesaro heel with Heyman. This will put over Cesaro as a heel, and establish a new face in Zayne.
Ryback and Axel need to go after the Tag Team Gold. A good heel team is needed other than Rowan/Harper. After a tag title run, a split is needed ( I know, it happens a lot) but this split will have Ryback turn on the Heyman guys. Leading to a Ryback / Zayne vs Axel / Cesaro match . More than likely a few times. Ryback becomes face, culminating with an attempted Shellshock on Heyman, when Lesnar's music hits. Giving is a Survivor Series match of Lesnar - Ryback. Obviously Ryback won't win. But he will come out a fan favorite. From here, WWE needs to ride the lightning of his face run much like last time. Book him with more wins, and a US / IC title run, and finally a World Title run after WM31, possible Summerslam 2015. Ryback is a true behemoth face. They need to bring that back.
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Post by Gazza on Jul 12, 2014 20:05:19 GMT -5
How can his run be forgettable apart from Punk and Lesnar when them two have made up majority of his run? That makes no sense.
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Jul 12, 2014 20:09:43 GMT -5
Ryback? Failure. But people forget 'Michael McGillicutty' way too easy. But Ryback "failed" before he was put with Heyman. Ryback didn't even fail. They ruined him by not having him win the title at Hell In A Cell. That was on creative not Ryback. Yup. Give a guy a Goldberg gimmick, his execution leads to it getting over enough to draw one of the strongest B-show numbers in forever, and then you have him lose his first ever big match... There's no way he can recover from that. The unbeatable gimmick's done there and then, and the performer is screwed. Ryback was dead that night. Then The Shield dug the grave and tossed him in, and spent three or four months shoveling dirt on him. By the time he was feuding with Henry, Ryback was just a ghost. |
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Post by JC Motors on Jul 12, 2014 21:35:36 GMT -5
I don't want to see any more Paul Heyman guys. It's been done to death now. It was cool when he had Axel. After that, whooh. It has been done to death. |
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