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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2014 14:36:39 GMT -5
Do we have to rehash all of this everytime a new member joins and wants to know when or why not about Scott Hall? Yes. What are you, new?
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Post by William Bartholomew Miekina on Jul 14, 2014 14:47:19 GMT -5
Sorry but all of this is completely absurd to me. Who is Mattel, or anyone else for that matter, to judge Scott Hall based on something that happened so long before his career as Razor Ramon?? It obviously didn't stop Vince McMahon from hiring him or making him famous. Giving him the Intercontinental Championship numerous times. You can dig up a skeleton from anyone's closet. Seriously. There's zero reason not to make a Razor Ramon figure. Thank you! COuldn't have put it better myself.
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Jul 14, 2014 14:48:13 GMT -5
Sorry but all of this is completely absurd to me. Who is Mattel, or anyone else for that matter, to judge Scott Hall based on something that happened so long before his career as Razor Ramon?? Mattel is the company that makes the toys -- if the Mattel guys don't want to make a certain toy, who are you (or any of us) to say they have to make them?
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Post by William Bartholomew Miekina on Jul 14, 2014 14:49:27 GMT -5
Do we have to rehash all of this everytime a new member joins and wants to know when or why not about Scott Hall? Although I am a new member, it doesn't mean I didn't know SIMILAR questions have been asked. I actually find this site back in January when I googled the topic being discussed here. MDT never clarified why they wouldn't make him, only that they wouldn't. And that comment itself was made about 3 years ago. Before he got inducted into the HOF. So maybe things have changed. Maybe someone knows exactly why they won't or cant. Maybe MDT can say "we won't be making him because were sitting at home watching ESPN and saw the documentary and heard the part of him killing someone".
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Post by rustyy on Jul 14, 2014 14:49:53 GMT -5
I think people seem to forget that just because someone CAN be made doesn't mean they will be. Matteldesignteam has stated in the past on other subjects that they won't make a certain attire for a wrestler because they simply weren't fond of it. Ie; Daniel Bryan's primarily white look with red designs he had during his Smackdown WHC run or several of CM Punks attires. I think someone higher up on the design team took personal offense to what Scott Hall did and therefore as a whole they've refused to make it. Regardless of technicalities it all really depends on what they want not what we want although they have been good with giving us a lot of what we ask for. Taking the Vinnie Mac method, throwing away money for personal vendettas.
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Post by William Bartholomew Miekina on Jul 14, 2014 14:50:54 GMT -5
Sorry but all of this is completely absurd to me. Who is Mattel, or anyone else for that matter, to judge Scott Hall based on something that happened so long before his career as Razor Ramon?? Mattel is the company that makes the toys -- if the Mattel guys don't want to make a certain toy, who are you (or any of us) to say they have to make them? Aren't we the customer? Without demand, there is no supply. They can make just John Cena figures from now on, and sooner or later, they'll see the impact it would make on their profits. Therefore, they will have to listen to the customer, because they are the ones buying their figures.
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Post by perfectlyrude on Jul 14, 2014 14:52:30 GMT -5
Do we have to rehash all of this everytime a new member joins and wants to know when or why not about Scott Hall? Yes. What are you, new? No not new, just comfortable knowing if I want a Hall/Razor figure it's going to come from theaxehennig or @theoneandonly1979 and I highly suggest the same route for anyone in need of Hall/Razor. Then if Matty does make a Hall/Razor cool, what's an extra $19 to have the official fig, but in the meantime if you want matty quality fig and are tired of waiting...Axe or Rome.
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Post by perfectlyrude on Jul 14, 2014 14:57:31 GMT -5
Do we have to rehash all of this everytime a new member joins and wants to know when or why not about Scott Hall? Although I am a new member, it doesn't mean I didn't know SIMILAR questions have been asked. I actually find this site back in January when I googled the topic being discussed here. MDT never clarified why they wouldn't make him, only that they wouldn't. And that comment itself was made about 3 years ago. Before he got inducted into the HOF. So maybe things have changed. Maybe someone knows exactly why they won't or cant. Maybe MDT can say "we won't be making him because were sitting at home watching ESPN and saw the documentary and heard the part of him killing someone". Cool no worries. You can click on MattelDesignTeam and read all of thier posts. Scott Hall comes up quite a bit so there's some good info to be found in their posts history.
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Post by William Bartholomew Miekina on Jul 14, 2014 14:59:48 GMT -5
Although I am a new member, it doesn't mean I didn't know SIMILAR questions have been asked. I actually find this site back in January when I googled the topic being discussed here. MDT never clarified why they wouldn't make him, only that they wouldn't. And that comment itself was made about 3 years ago. Before he got inducted into the HOF. So maybe things have changed. Maybe someone knows exactly why they won't or cant. Maybe MDT can say "we won't be making him because were sitting at home watching ESPN and saw the documentary and heard the part of him killing someone". Cool no worries. You can click on MattelDesignTeam and read all of thier posts. Scott Hall comes up quite a bit so there's some good info to be found in their posts history. Yep... check all that stuff already. Not much aside from that comment about 3 years ago when Hall was down in the dumps. Who knows though :/
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Post by roddydrama on Jul 14, 2014 15:00:38 GMT -5
The thing is that at first when Mattel first took over WWE, it was when WWE was really pushing (the then somewhat new) PG branding of the Company. I think this is why we got so many 80 guys in ratio with Attitude Era guys in the legends line, because aside from the biggest draws (IE Rock and Stone Cold) WWE wanted to shy away from the attitude era. They also said that we would not get action figures in street attires or t-shirts (this has since changed). Also that they would not do flashbacks of current wrestlers (now we've had the Giant and HHH flashbacks).
I think WWE has loosened up on the PG thing now that they are pushing the Network where a lot of edgier things are available including matches of once completely blacklisted (to the point they would even refuse to mention his name) Chris Benoit. Even so I think there is a reason that it was Razor Ramon and not Scott Hall that got inducted into the Hall of Fame. Razor Ramon is a beloved persona where it's easy to define the line between the Character and the man portraying him. Now Scott Hall the wrestler and Scott Hall the man are not so easy to separate from each other. Due to this I think it is possible for Mattel to take a similar stance and make a Razor Ramon figure from the New Generation Era, but I don't think we'll see a Scott Hall (Outsiders/NWO) figure anytime soon.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2014 15:03:22 GMT -5
No not new, just comfortable knowing if I want a Hall/Razor figure it's going to come from theaxehennig or @theoneandonly1979 and I highly suggest the same route for anyone in need of Hall/Razor. Then if Matty does make a Hall/Razor cool, what's an extra $19 to have the official fig, but in the meantime if you want matty quality fig and are tired of waiting...Axe or Rome. I was making a joke. I know you've got that badass '89 collection of mostly Axe customs.
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Post by perfectlyrude on Jul 14, 2014 15:09:30 GMT -5
No not new, just comfortable knowing if I want a Hall/Razor figure it's going to come from theaxehennig or @theoneandonly1979 and I highly suggest the same route for anyone in need of Hall/Razor. Then if Matty does make a Hall/Razor cool, what's an extra $19 to have the official fig, but in the meantime if you want matty quality fig and are tired of waiting...Axe or Rome. I was making a joke. I know you've got that badass '89 collection of mostly Axe customs. I know it bro! I hate texted conversations sometimes its hard to decipher context. I probably worded that a little to dry. We are always kliq @benurich
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Post by William Bartholomew Miekina on Jul 14, 2014 15:09:53 GMT -5
The thing is that at first when Mattel first took over WWE, it was when WWE was really pushing (the then somewhat new) PG branding of the Company. I think this is why we got so many 80 guys in ratio with Attitude Era guys in the legends line, because aside from the biggest draws (IE Rock and Stone Cold) WWE wanted to shy away from the attitude era. They also said that we would not get action figures in street attires or t-shirts (this has since changed). Also that they would not do flashbacks of current wrestlers (now we've had the Giant and HHH flashbacks). I think WWE has loosened up on the PG thing now that they are pushing the Network where a lot of edgier things are available including matches of once completely blacklisted (to the point they would even refuse to mention his name) Chris Benoit. Even so I think there is a reason that it was Razor Ramon and not Scott Hall that got inducted into the Hall of Fame. Razor Ramon is a beloved persona where it's easy to define the line between the Character and the man portraying him. Now Scott Hall the wrestler and Scott Hall the man are not so easy to separate from each other. Due to this I think it is possible for Mattel to take a similar stance and make a Razor Ramon figure from the New Generation Era, but I don't think we'll see a Scott Hall (Outsiders/NWO) figure anytime soon. I agree with this. In the same way that Mattel has given their customers (slowly but surely) most of what is being asked for... I think a Razon Ramon makes perfect sense. This is company that at the end of the day is in business to make profit. it is in business to supply the demand. And like any good business, it listens to its customers. I am sure most if not all wrestlers have a tainted past. In that same token, I doubt parents or kids are doing research on all wrestlers that get released to make sure their real life personas are up to standard.
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Post by punksnotdead on Jul 14, 2014 15:11:01 GMT -5
Dear MattelDesignTeam, "We know your stance on Scott Hall from previous years, has that position changed since Hall entered the HOF at WM30?" A simple yes or no will suffice. Thank you, and sorry we're so obnoxious. We promise to copy or sticky any response so that it's available every two weeks when someone else asks about it.
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Jul 14, 2014 15:23:04 GMT -5
Mattel is the company that makes the toys -- if the Mattel guys don't want to make a certain toy, who are you (or any of us) to say they have to make them? Aren't we the customer? Without demand, there is no supply. They can make just John Cena figures from now on, and sooner or later, they'll see the impact it would make on their profits. Therefore, they will have to listen to the customer, because they are the ones buying their figures. Right, we vote with our wallets. But there's a difference between that and rude posts saying how dare Mattel not make a figure of Scott Hall.
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Post by PJ on Jul 14, 2014 16:04:38 GMT -5
Aren't we the customer? Without demand, there is no supply. They can make just John Cena figures from now on, and sooner or later, they'll see the impact it would make on their profits. Therefore, they will have to listen to the customer, because they are the ones buying their figures. Right, we vote with our wallets. But there's a difference between that and rude posts saying how dare Mattel not make a figure of Scott Hall. This. And honestly we aren't the customers. The retailers are. That is who buys Mattel's figures. Once the retailer get the figures Mattel has already made their money on the figures. And like Next Man's Sweater said back on page one (I think?) Hall has been no showing and or showing up in poor shape to events as of late so by no means is he a sure thing.
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Post by William Bartholomew Miekina on Jul 14, 2014 16:23:29 GMT -5
Above me. Absolutely. But if WE don't purchase from the retailers, then the retailers won't purchase from Mattel. So ultimately, it's the end customer who dictates what should be made (I don't mean that in a rude way at all). If we all chose to stop purchasing figures, the Targets and Retailers of the world would stop buying from Mattel. That's business. So this thread was by no means meant to demand anything or to come across as an unappreciative prick. I buy Mattel figures simply because I think their product is great and worth me investing in.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2014 16:35:01 GMT -5
What is there to argue about?
Facts;
mdt said no to hall before, wwe also refused to work with him
Wwe has now decided to work with hall again and hall = $
Macho man was also a "never" figure before
Never say never. Things change
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Post by PJ on Jul 14, 2014 17:47:22 GMT -5
Above me. Absolutely. But if WE don't purchase from the retailers, then the retailers won't purchase from Mattel. So ultimately, it's the end customer who dictates what should be made (I don't mean that in a rude way at all). If we all chose to stop purchasing figures, the Targets and Retailers of the world would stop buying from Mattel. That's business. So this thread was by no means meant to demand anything or to come across as an unappreciative prick. I buy Mattel figures simply because I think their product is great and worth me investing in. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Maybe that's how it should be, but it's not. The bottom line it is the retailers, the WWE and Mattel who ultimately decide on what is made and carried. Fact is FlexForce was Mattel's top WWE seller for 2 years. Why was that? Not because we were buying them, but because every retailers was ordering them. And anything that is going to have the WWE and Mattel's logo on it both will sign off on. They don't want any negative controversy with anything their brand is on. That's why Mattel has said Chyna (porn star) and Benoit(murder/suicide) will never be made by Mattel. And Hall was there as well because of his E60 interview where he admitted to killing someone. (self defense or not it was enough to keep Mattel away from him) The WWE softened on him, but that doesn't mean Mattel has. I hope they did because I want both Hall and Razor...but maybe Mattel thinks releasing him would get their company unwanted negative feedback.
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Post by rustyy on Jul 14, 2014 18:17:34 GMT -5
No one even knows Scott hall killed anyone, so unless you're a die hard fan or crazy soccer mom who googles wrestlers you'd never know.
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