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Post by King Silva on Jul 26, 2014 2:07:08 GMT -5
Ryback because he could have been world champion whereas I highly doubt Ryder would have been taken seriously in the main event scene (even if he was loved by WWE).
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2014 3:16:58 GMT -5
Ryback or Ryder? Ryback was main eventing PPVs for the title. Ryder had the #1 highest selling merchandise. Both are now basically nothing. a tie, but honestly....Carlito, John Morrison, Shelton Benjamin trio are the ones that sting the most for me -- a lot can be said about why they are personally to blame, but if the company pulled 'the' trigger like they are doing with reigns? those 3 would be having 5 star ppv matches for the next 10 years together
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Post by Mox on Jul 26, 2014 3:22:23 GMT -5
I'm not arguing Ryback hasn't fallen significantly. But I don't think he's in tag-team hell like some do. I also don't consider him a jobber. I think he's a legit mid-carder right now, and he's getting great crowd reactions. The guy is on an upswing, which Ryder is not (despite being on TV a bit more and recently winning).
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Post by Duck Holliday on Jul 26, 2014 5:09:01 GMT -5
Damien Sandow lol But out of those 2 Ryback probably because Ryder was a fad totally agree on Sandow. I have to give it to Ryback, he just felt like he had a much higher ceiling.
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Post by Gazza on Jul 26, 2014 5:18:15 GMT -5
It's close but Ryder for me, The guy got over himself without TV time or WWE's help, and made a bunch of money for WWE. It wasn't a fad in the slightest, has he still gets pops today to say he's pretty much never on TV and when he is he usually loses. WWE clearly just didn't want someone they didn't "make" being one of the most over superstar.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2014 5:32:42 GMT -5
Ryback.
You would've thought not, based on the look that Vince is after, but I digress...Ryder's no slouch here, but despite what he did to get over and then get humiliated as he has been is unfathomable to certain extents...and even when he won on RAW he needed help from two Divas...
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Post by TurboEddie on Jul 26, 2014 8:21:02 GMT -5
Ryback. Dude was bigger than Cena.
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Post by Iron Bison on Jul 26, 2014 9:57:33 GMT -5
Can't really compare the two. Ryback was what WWE wanted and Ryder was what WE wanted.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2014 10:20:40 GMT -5
Both, but I'll go with Ryder because...well people where chanting "We Want Ryder, Woo Woo Woo" during a Rock promo. Very few people can say they were cheered over The Rock.
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Post by Lord Ragnarok on Jul 26, 2014 10:21:47 GMT -5
Neither. They both suck terribly.
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Post by adzy on Jul 26, 2014 15:18:03 GMT -5
Ryback, although i wasn't really around for Ryders run i was for Rybacks...i was at a local house show (Survivor Series tour UK) and the pops he got were immense. He's in an OK spot atm, but i really,think he could be a strong mid card champ/occasional main eventer
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Post by Drink it in maaaaaaan on Jul 26, 2014 17:38:07 GMT -5
R-Truth......
But truthfully Ryback, even though I love Zack Ryder!
Both
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2014 5:27:50 GMT -5
Ryback.
they were SO f*cking close with him. People say he was done after the HIAC loss but that just isn't true.
1)if the loss in HIAC had been booked correctly? Ryback would have looked like a real warrior and Punk a way more dangerous and cunning individual. there is a way for people to lose and their aura be preserved. Vince used to be great at it.
2)Ryback never got his revenge against the Shield......after numerous beatdowns. VERY wrong again on the booking teams part.
3)He looked like an idiot against Mark Henry. an absolute idiot. Vince should have called an audible when he heard that reaction for Ryback hoisting Henry for the shock. When he did it after the match?nobody cared.
then his reasoning for turning heel was absolutely atrocious.
Ryback should have dethroned an unstoppable Big Show for the WHC at WM that year.
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Post by Colter on Jul 27, 2014 5:32:05 GMT -5
Ryback. they were SO f*cking close with him. People say he was done after the HIAC loss but that just isn't true. 1)if the loss in HIAC had been booked correctly? Ryback would have looked like a real warrior and Punk a way more dangerous and cunning individual. there is a way for people to lose and their aura be preserved. Vince used to be great at it. 2)Ryback never got his revenge against the Shield......after numerous beatdowns. VERY wrong again on the booking teams part. 3)He looked like an idiot against Mark Henry. an absolute idiot. Vince should have called an audible when he heard that reaction for Ryback hoisting Henry for the shock. When he did it after the match?nobody cared. then his reasoning for turning heel was absolutely atrocious. Ryback should have dethroned an unstoppable Big Show for the WHC at WM that year. Agree 110%. You hit the nail on the head, man.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2014 6:09:39 GMT -5
I think that they dropped the ball more with Ryback. He had more appeal to WWE's target audience in my opinion, based on his moves and the taunt being a kid friendly type one. Overall they were both in very high positions. Ryder as the #1 merch seller and Ryback as main eventing vs. Punk. I personally prefer Ryback as a talent to Ryder because of the god horrible acting he did in that Kane angle, plus Ryback is pretty good for a big guy, the Big Guy. Ryback for sure. The guy was over, just as over as Bryan was a couple of months ago. They could have made him into a star and many believed he was going to be the "Goldberg" of this generation. It's a shame poor writing and booking screwed him over but I hope he can bounce back from it. I don't believe Ryder even had the ball up high to be honest. I knew he was never going to be the main-event guy, but when they cancelled his show and stripped him of his personality, he as a wrestler went down as well. There is no way in hell that Ryback was getting Daniel Bryan reactions during his highest times. A lot of the crowd was behind him but there was no universal sounds of excitement like when Bryan came out of the curtain.
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Post by sitruC on Jul 27, 2014 7:59:27 GMT -5
I can't say because they both came up different ways
I'd say Tensai and Ryback would be better, but to answer this probably Ryder. WWE didn't really need another big guy at the time and still don't, but in this era how could Ryder not be getting used weekly?
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Jul 27, 2014 8:30:01 GMT -5
Ryback. they were SO f*cking close with him. People say he was done after the HIAC loss but that just isn't true. 1)if the loss in HIAC had been booked correctly? Ryback would have looked like a real warrior and Punk a way more dangerous and cunning individual. there is a way for people to lose and their aura be preserved. Vince used to be great at it. 2)Ryback never got his revenge against the Shield......after numerous beatdowns. VERY wrong again on the booking teams part. 3)He looked like an idiot against Mark Henry. an absolute idiot. Vince should have called an audible when he heard that reaction for Ryback hoisting Henry for the shock. When he did it after the match?nobody cared. then his reasoning for turning heel was absolutely atrocious. Ryback should have dethroned an unstoppable Big Show for the WHC at WM that year. You continue to just be so right about booking.
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Post by marino13 on Jul 27, 2014 8:30:50 GMT -5
Ryback. they were SO f*cking close with him. People say he was done after the HIAC loss but that just isn't true. 1)if the loss in HIAC had been booked correctly? Ryback would have looked like a real warrior and Punk a way more dangerous and cunning individual. there is a way for people to lose and their aura be preserved. Vince used to be great at it. 2)Ryback never got his revenge against the Shield......after numerous beatdowns. VERY wrong again on the booking teams part. 3)He looked like an idiot against Mark Henry. an absolute idiot. Vince should have called an audible when he heard that reaction for Ryback hoisting Henry for the shock. When he did it after the match?nobody cared. then his reasoning for turning heel was absolutely atrocious. Ryback should have dethroned an unstoppable Big Show for the WHC at WM that year. I've said the same thing since that year's WM. Had it not been for Big Show's contract ending and them throwing the belt on Del Rio, Ryback's career may have panned out a hell of a lot differently. I would have booked Big Show strong till WM. Then have Ryback steamroll over him within minutes.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2014 9:21:47 GMT -5
Ryback. they were SO f*cking close with him. People say he was done after the HIAC loss but that just isn't true. 1)if the loss in HIAC had been booked correctly? Ryback would have looked like a real warrior and Punk a way more dangerous and cunning individual. there is a way for people to lose and their aura be preserved. Vince used to be great at it. 2)Ryback never got his revenge against the Shield......after numerous beatdowns. VERY wrong again on the booking teams part. 3)He looked like an idiot against Mark Henry. an absolute idiot. Vince should have called an audible when he heard that reaction for Ryback hoisting Henry for the shock. When he did it after the match?nobody cared. then his reasoning for turning heel was absolutely atrocious. Ryback should have dethroned an unstoppable Big Show for the WHC at WM that year. I've said the same thing since that year's WM. Had it not been for Big Show's contract ending and them throwing the belt on Del Rio, Ryback's career may have panned out a hell of a lot differently. I would have booked Big Show strong till WM. Then have Ryback steamroll over him within minutes. Yup. It would have been so easy to still do Ryback vs Show as well......easy to book how their feud starts and the WM match writes itself. Ryback would have been instantly made......plus it would have made way more sense for Show to be the reason Ryback forgot about the Shield......instead of the disposable Henry who nobody has given a genuine f*ck about for years. Yet Ryback was sacrificed for him..... Henry must have photos of Vince, the Chippendales and an industrial size tub of waxy soap to continue to be featured the way he is.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2014 10:16:01 GMT -5
Ryback, by far, they made him look like a unstoppable badass machine, it was so cool.
Also, he was SO OVER, like really, just watch this video, the pop is CRAZY:
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