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Post by ¡Twist Of Cinnamon! on Jul 26, 2014 17:56:15 GMT -5
Good, the Swing is a stupid move,
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2014 17:58:06 GMT -5
I just don't understand why anybody would ever want a heel to stop doing something that makes the crowd cheer and love him.
Just so confusing man, I just don't get it.
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Post by punksnotdead on Jul 26, 2014 18:36:50 GMT -5
I just don't understand why anybody would ever want a heel to stop doing something that makes the crowd cheer and love him. Just so confusing man, I just don't get it. I think the argument is that he organically turned babyface from the move and the whole King of Swing schtick and then WWE forced him back heel, with absolutely no direction or plan for him post WrestleMania. What has his heel status and time with Heyman done for him? Nothing as far as I can tell.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2014 19:15:53 GMT -5
I just don't understand why anybody would ever want a heel to stop doing something that makes the crowd cheer and love him. Just so confusing man, I just don't get it. I think the argument is that he organically turned babyface from the move and the whole King of Swing schtick and then WWE forced him back heel, with absolutely no direction or plan for him post WrestleMania. What has his heel status and time with Heyman done for him? Nothing as far as I can tell. Absolutely nothing, which is exactly what a lot of people on here expected, but if they're not ready to go full on with him yet, might as well keep him heel and save the swing for when they strap the rocket on him to give that big cheer moment. There's only so many people they can push at one time, sometimes people have to sizzle and wait their turn, and unfortunately that's the position Cesaro is in now, and we just need to wait until they either complete the push of Roman or give up on him and move on to the next guy.
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Post by rustyy on Jul 26, 2014 19:52:58 GMT -5
I think the argument is that he organically turned babyface from the move and the whole King of Swing schtick and then WWE forced him back heel, with absolutely no direction or plan for him post WrestleMania. What has his heel status and time with Heyman done for him? Nothing as far as I can tell. Absolutely nothing, which is exactly what a lot of people on here expected, but if they're not ready to go full on with him yet, might as well keep him heel and save the swing for when they strap the rocket on him to give that big cheer moment. There's only so many people they can push at one time, sometimes people have to sizzle and wait their turn, and unfortunately that's the position Cesaro is in now, and we just need to wait until they either complete the push of Roman or give up on him and move on to the next guy. Lol so many people they can push at once. It used to be as many as possible, now it's 3-4 every couple months then kill their momentum.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2014 19:59:41 GMT -5
Good, the Swing is a stupid move, stupid? How is a cool move you rarely see anybody else do and gets huge pops whenever he does it "stupid".
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2014 20:02:48 GMT -5
Absolutely nothing, which is exactly what a lot of people on here expected, but if they're not ready to go full on with him yet, might as well keep him heel and save the swing for when they strap the rocket on him to give that big cheer moment. There's only so many people they can push at one time, sometimes people have to sizzle and wait their turn, and unfortunately that's the position Cesaro is in now, and we just need to wait until they either complete the push of Roman or give up on him and move on to the next guy. Lol so many people they can push at once. It used to be as many as possible, now it's 3-4 every couple months then kill their momentum. Lol yeah WWE can totally push Roman Reigns and Seth Rollins and Dean Ambrose and Bray Wyatt and Cesaro and Wade Barrett and Daniel Bryan and Brock Lesnar and Chris Jericho and Christian and Damien Sandow and Dolph Ziggler and Cody Rhodes and The Miz and Jack Swagger and Tyson Kidd and Justin Gabriel and Kofi Kingston and RVD and Zack Ryder and whoever else the internet happens to have a boner for at the moment ALL for the titles at the same time der. Yeah, there's only so many they can push at one time.
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Post by rustyy on Jul 26, 2014 20:10:55 GMT -5
Lol if there was a mid card some could be pushed. You don't need a title for a push. Jesus, that's wwe mentality right there.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2014 20:11:41 GMT -5
It makes sense as he's heel, but he should've been face after WM, dude was over as and should be the one facing Lesnar at WM next year if Bryan's not able too, not Roman (I have noting against Roman but I think he should be saved for WM 32 personally).
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Post by Midnight on Jul 26, 2014 21:22:48 GMT -5
They should let win do the swing and turn him face, he should be main eventing real soon. WWE better not waste his talent.
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Post by Nivro™ on Jul 26, 2014 21:31:41 GMT -5
Right, and Sting has yet to sign with the WWE, CM Punk is still employed, Cena wont be walking out of Battleground as Champion and the Big Gold belt is retired.
If you listen/read dirt sheets, you're as dumb as they are.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2014 21:52:31 GMT -5
Lol if there was a mid card some could be pushed. You don't need a title for a push. Jesus, that's wwe mentality right there. There is a mid/upper mid card, and that's where Seth Rollins and Dean Ambrose and Bray Wyatt and Cesaro and Wade Barrett and Chris Jericho and Damien Sandow and Dolph Ziggler and Cody Rhodes and The Miz and Jack Swagger and Kofi Kingston and RVD and whoever else the internet happens to have a boner for at the moment are currently in and are getting varying degrees of pushes in, but that's not good enough for you apparently because that's 'THEY'RE KILLING THEIR MOMENTUM'. So if there's not room in title pushes right now and if hanging out in the mid card until there's room is killing their momentum, where else can they go? "lol if there was a low card some could be pushed"?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2014 22:07:22 GMT -5
Not really news, is it? Just belated common sense.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2014 22:07:54 GMT -5
In this day and age, where it's hard to get a crowd to react to a superstar, it baffles me as to why they would purposely take action to halt the reactions he was receiving.
Maybe someone can help me "see the light", but I do not see one positive aspect in the WWE doing this.
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Post by punksnotdead on Jul 26, 2014 22:17:26 GMT -5
I think the argument is that he organically turned babyface from the move and the whole King of Swing schtick and then WWE forced him back heel, with absolutely no direction or plan for him post WrestleMania. What has his heel status and time with Heyman done for him? Nothing as far as I can tell. Absolutely nothing, which is exactly what a lot of people on here expected, but if they're not ready to go full on with him yet, might as well keep him heel and save the swing for when they strap the rocket on him to give that big cheer moment. There's only so many people they can push at one time, sometimes people have to sizzle and wait their turn, and unfortunately that's the position Cesaro is in now, and we just need to wait until they either complete the push of Roman or give up on him and move on to the next guy. I agree with this, but I always saw Cesaro getting a place holder IC title run to circumvent him not being able to be in the main event immediately. I'm not complaining at all because I think Cesaro was a lock to win MITB had he stayed the course and a guy I like more in Seth Rollins ended up winning. So I get the give and take of it but there are times when once you lose the momentum a guy accumulates it can be lost for good. Ryback is a perfect example, as we've been talking about him plenty around here lately. I think Cesaro is way more talented than Ryback but putting a guy on the back burner when he's found a way to finally connect with the audience and break through can be detrimental to the talent too. I feel like there is a general lack of attention to the guys that aren't in the main 2-4 angles. It's been going on for a long time, so it's definitely not new, but you don't have to push everyone to the world title in order to give fans a reason to care about a wrestler or feud. If Cesaro is a heel, why not put him in a really compelling feud with Dolph Ziggler, so a guy the fans will boo him against? WWE's go-to move is to just send a wrestler out aimlessly for months on end to have meaningless filler matches until something is available for them to do. So when said wrestler is finally inserted into something that matters, the fans don't care by default because there has been no build. It's just a vicious cycle that I wish would end with this modern day creative path.
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Post by ¡Twist Of Cinnamon! on Jul 26, 2014 22:35:43 GMT -5
Good, the Swing is a stupid move, stupid? How is a cool move you rarely see anybody else do and gets huge pops whenever he does it "stupid". The Worm always got a huge pop and no one else does it, does that instantly make it a cool move? All the Swing does is make the opponent dizzy, yeah that'll keep someone down for a three count...
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Post by rustyy on Jul 26, 2014 23:16:16 GMT -5
Lol if there was a mid card some could be pushed. You don't need a title for a push. Jesus, that's wwe mentality right there. There is a mid/upper mid card, and that's where Seth Rollins and Dean Ambrose and Bray Wyatt and Cesaro and Wade Barrett and Chris Jericho and Damien Sandow and Dolph Ziggler and Cody Rhodes and The Miz and Jack Swagger and Kofi Kingston and RVD and whoever else the internet happens to have a boner for at the moment are currently in and are getting varying degrees of pushes in, but that's not good enough for you apparently because that's 'THEY'RE KILLING THEIR MOMENTUM'. So if there's not room in title pushes right now and if hanging out in the mid card until there's room is killing their momentum, where else can they go? "lol if there was a low card some could be pushed"? You just said they didn't kill Damien Sandow's momentum. Or Barrett's. Oh my god.
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Post by Falconsinclair on Jul 26, 2014 23:43:06 GMT -5
Let's break down the average week in the WWE...
Raw is a 3+ hour long show, which when you take away commercial time/recaps and promo work that leaves about an hour and half of actual wrestling.
Main Event/Superstars/NXT are all hour long shows on the Network/International markets and after recaps of Raw you get about a half hour of actual wrestling. NXT features more wrestling that Event/Superstars as it is treated as "Outside of the WWE Universe"
Smackdown is two hours, which after recaps/etc features about an hour of actual wrestling
So over the course of a week WWE features about 3-3.5 hours of new matches. With a roster of about 50-60 talents (at least on the Main Roster) this creates very limited spots for guys or gals to get pushed. If the WWE stopped treating their fans like they have severe ADHD by cutting back on all the damn recaps. We would see more and more guys and girls getting decent pushes. I personally think this could be achieved by eliminating the "Writers" and handing the booking back to guys who have worked in the industry most of their lives. The WWE has some of the most creative bookers under their umbrella and they are essentially wasting their talents by not doing anything with them.
Sure the WWE didn't have the Television presence they have today back in the 80's & 90's but I bet you if you asked a casual fan to name 20 current WWE stars and 20 "Legends" they would come up with the "Legends" without breaking a sweat before they name 20 active wrestlers.
Plain and simple the WWE has but all their eggs in the John Cena/Randy Orton baskets for so long that everyone else has started to fall by the wayside, and in my humble opinion this has to do more with the "Hollywood Writers" not knowing anything about the business and there for treating everyone not named Cena like utter crap in the fans eyes.
As for the Cesaro Swing. Kevin Dunn ruined that move long before Cesaro stopped using it in recent weeks.
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Post by Adam on Jul 26, 2014 23:43:59 GMT -5
In this day and age, where it's hard to get a crowd to react to a superstar, it baffles me as to why they would purposely take action to halt the reactions he was receiving. Maybe someone can help me "see the light", but I do not see one positive aspect in the WWE doing this. I refer you back to this post from page one: This isn't news. This was reported months ago, and makes perfect sense. You don't get a guy over as a heel by giving him babyface moves. WWE wrestlers too often try to be "cool" heels and do cool moves, which makes them useless heels.
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Post by King Silva on Jul 27, 2014 0:20:23 GMT -5
That is bullsh*t (if this is true)..
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