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Post by sitruC on Aug 21, 2014 14:40:47 GMT -5
Because he is in my eyes the best wrestler ever.He isn't another Austin who appeals to everyone who hates their boss, he isn't The Rock who rose from a group into one of the biggest stars by being cool and he certainly isn't HHH, although they have some similarities. He is John Cena, what you see is what you get. The guy has spent his adult life attempting to give us enjoyment only to get people online going "LMAO CENA CAUSED PG WWE!!!!" It's ridiculous, the guy puts his job over anything else, he literally said he doesn't want kids just yet because of it and that made me respect him way more, and the people who bash him daily 9/10 times still think TV14 is necessary to enjoy WWE... Cena sums up every good part of WWE, in the media and on WWE, yes he wins alot, yes he is corny, but WWE is a business and like any wise businessman Cena has took all his chances. Mad props to Cena, I hope he wrestles until he's 150. You are certainly welcome to your own opinion, but...you're wrong. lol He's a very hard worker who doesn't deserve the amount of hate he's received, but he's far from the best of all time. That's cool, I am entitled to my opinion no matter what you think however so it isn't really wrong but good try. |
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Post by JC Motors on Aug 21, 2014 15:08:43 GMT -5
He's a hard worker
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Post by ThugSuperstar on Aug 21, 2014 15:11:15 GMT -5
It's worth noting, though, that the WWE basically redesigned their entire product to benefit Cena by moving to a PG product and trying to appeal to a younger audience, which is something they never had to do with guys like Austin, Rock, etc. If they didn't start targeting a younger demographic just for Cena, though, he would've faded out long ago. Lolno. There were two key reasons why WWE had to go PG: 1. A year earlier, a wrestler had murdered his wife and child before committing suicide, and thus the industry's reputation needed cleaning up. 2. Linda McMahon was making a doomed attempt at a political career, and thus her company needed cleaning up. This is the first time I've ever heard a "WWE went PG to benefit Cena" conspiracy theory. It's pretty funny. Are you kidding me? Do you know how many kids have died over the years from giving each other piledrivers and suplexes that hurt the reputation of the wrestling industry and the WWE did nothing in response to it? Linda McMahon's political run put an end to chair shots to the head after someone she was running against made the remark in a political debate or something. They didn't rewrite the entire industry for her. The WWE had already started moving towards gearing towards a PG audience even before that. They saw how John Cena was basically Hulk Hogan 2.0 and realized how marketable he was to kids, so continuing to try and market a product towards anyone over the age of ten would've been counterproductive. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2014 15:26:55 GMT -5
It's worth noting, though, that the WWE basically redesigned their entire product to benefit Cena by moving to a PG product and trying to appeal to a younger audience, which is something they never had to do with guys like Austin, Rock, etc. If they didn't start targeting a younger demographic just for Cena, though, he would've faded out long ago. Lolno. There were two key reasons why WWE had to go PG: 1. A year earlier, a wrestler had murdered his wife and child before committing suicide, and thus the industry's reputation needed cleaning up. 2. Linda McMahon was making a doomed attempt at a political career, and thus her company needed cleaning up. This is the first time I've ever heard a "WWE went PG to benefit Cena" conspiracy theory. It's pretty funny. Plus advertisers were ditching WWE left and right because they did of approve of the content that WWE was producing. |
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Post by Lord Ragnarok on Aug 21, 2014 15:29:05 GMT -5
Women and 12 year olds.
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Post by Sleazyness on Aug 21, 2014 15:30:14 GMT -5
He didn't have the injuries that Austin did. He didn't have the opportunities/desire to go onto other things that Rock did. He didn't have the attitude problems that Shawn Michaels did. He didn't have the lack of charisma that Bret Hart did. He didn't have the inability to draw revenue that the New Generation guys did. He didn't have the inability/refusal to handle the WWE schedule that Brock Lesnar did. He didn't have the inability to handle pressure that Eddie Guerrero did. He didn't have the drug habits that Kurt Angle did. He didn't have the boredom-inducing personality that Randy Orton did. He didn't start wrestling at age fifty with asthma like Batista did. Basically, he's their perfect combination of workhorse and box office attraction. He rose to the top relatively young, so he had a good decade ahead of him. He does well with sponsors, he says yes to every talk show/movie cameo/appearance WWE asks him to do, he draws, he sells merchandise, he usually delivers in the big matches, he says all the right things in interviews, and he comes back from year-long injuries in two months to boost revenue. He makes life easy for the company compared to past top guys. The SummerSlam main event indicates it more than anything else. Could you imagine Austin losing a twenty minute squash? Hogan? "That doesn't work for Terry, brother." Bret? Shawn? Goldberg? No chance. Cena does whatever they want him to do, and his body still lets him do it. For now. But the sooner they can get Reigns built up (without blowing it), the better. What has kept Cena on top for so long? This video answers the question: /Thread |
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Post by jcjdotcom on Aug 21, 2014 15:47:40 GMT -5
I made fun of Cena earlier, but I totally agree with what many have said, he does seem like a genuinely good guy, does a ton for charity and provides a positive role model for kids.
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Post by Next Man’s Yeeter on Aug 21, 2014 16:15:57 GMT -5
Lolno. There were two key reasons why WWE had to go PG: 1. A year earlier, a wrestler had murdered his wife and child before committing suicide, and thus the industry's reputation needed cleaning up. 2. Linda McMahon was making a doomed attempt at a political career, and thus her company needed cleaning up. This is the first time I've ever heard a "WWE went PG to benefit Cena" conspiracy theory. It's pretty funny. Plus advertisers were ditching WWE left and right because they did of approve of the content that WWE was producing. Exactly -- wrestling needed cleaning up to move forward. Or we can just ignore that and pretend it was for some kind of John Cena conspiracy lol. |
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Post by BrIaNMeRcY on Aug 21, 2014 16:21:14 GMT -5
Lolno. There were two key reasons why WWE had to go PG: 1. A year earlier, a wrestler had murdered his wife and child before committing suicide, and thus the industry's reputation needed cleaning up. 2. Linda McMahon was making a doomed attempt at a political career, and thus her company needed cleaning up. This is the first time I've ever heard a "WWE went PG to benefit Cena" conspiracy theory. It's pretty funny. Are you kidding me? Do you know how many kids have died over the years from giving each other piledrivers and suplexes that hurt the reputation of the wrestling industry and the WWE did nothing in response to it? Linda McMahon's political run put an end to chair shots to the head after someone she was running against made the remark in a political debate or something. They didn't rewrite the entire industry for her. The WWE had already started moving towards gearing towards a PG audience even before that. They saw how John Cena was basically Hulk Hogan 2.0 and realized how marketable he was to kids, so continuing to try and market a product towards anyone over the age of ten would've been counterproductive. I am going to have to call shens on this. The WWE was left with a massive black eye after the whole Chris Benoit tragedy. Hell, the WWE even strengthened their wellness policy as a result. The WWE went PG for a variety of reasons. They wanted to produce a more family oriented program and clean up their image to appeal more advertisers. John Cena was already selling a ton of merch before the PG Era. |
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Post by revolution on Aug 21, 2014 18:32:24 GMT -5
Because $$$$
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Post by ThugSuperstar on Aug 21, 2014 19:38:37 GMT -5
Are you kidding me? Do you know how many kids have died over the years from giving each other piledrivers and suplexes that hurt the reputation of the wrestling industry and the WWE did nothing in response to it? Linda McMahon's political run put an end to chair shots to the head after someone she was running against made the remark in a political debate or something. They didn't rewrite the entire industry for her. The WWE had already started moving towards gearing towards a PG audience even before that. They saw how John Cena was basically Hulk Hogan 2.0 and realized how marketable he was to kids, so continuing to try and market a product towards anyone over the age of ten would've been counterproductive. I am going to have to call shens on this. The WWE was left with a massive black eye after the whole Chris Benoit tragedy. Hell, the WWE even strengthened their wellness policy as a result. The WWE went PG for a variety of reasons. They wanted to produce a more family oriented program and clean up their image to appeal more advertisers. John Cena was already selling a ton of merch before the PG Era. The Benoit murders had nothing to do with the company moving towards the PG Era. They were still running risqué angles and storylines way after that. It started the institution of the Wellness Policy, yes, but I think we can all agree that the drug testing system was started more of a way to get the media off the company's backs, and the testing itself is pretty much a joke. Orton has failed numerous tests (one was right before his SummerSlam match with Hogan) and they've let him skate by. If it was a guy like Heath Slater or Fandango, they would've been fired a long time ago. And I'm not denying that Cena sold merchandise - he absolutely did, and that's part of my point. He was selling merchandise, and after a while it became clear that crowds were turning on him except for a younger audience. If you don't think the WWE doesn't keep track of what age demographic is buying certain products, you're nuts. They realized they didn't have a superstar who could've been as big as Austin was with an older audience, which is why it was necessary to change their target audience. It never would've worked if they kept going on the same path of trying to get Cena over with teenagers and young adults. People seem to forget that even though they acknowledge the whole "Cena sucks" movement now, there was a long period of time when they tried to make it seem like nobody was turning on him and everything was fine and dandy. They couldn't keep doing that. |
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Post by LA Times on Aug 21, 2014 19:50:27 GMT -5
For all the talk about how John Cena is for kids, he also has an adult fanbase and wouldve been a superstar if the WWE was producing TV-MA programming. He loves wrestling, never left for other opportunities and is the perfect face of the company for media and charity. He has "it".
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Post by BrIaNMeRcY on Aug 21, 2014 20:05:44 GMT -5
I am going to have to call shens on this. The WWE was left with a massive black eye after the whole Chris Benoit tragedy. Hell, the WWE even strengthened their wellness policy as a result. The WWE went PG for a variety of reasons. They wanted to produce a more family oriented program and clean up their image to appeal more advertisers. John Cena was already selling a ton of merch before the PG Era. The Benoit murders had nothing to do with the company moving towards the PG Era. They were still running risqué angles and storylines way after that. It started the institution of the Wellness Policy, yes, but I think we can all agree that the drug testing system was started more of a way to get the media off the company's backs, and the testing itself is pretty much a joke. Orton has failed numerous tests (one was right before his SummerSlam match with Hogan) and they've let him skate by. If it was a guy like Heath Slater or Fandango, they would've been fired a long time ago. And I'm not denying that Cena sold merchandise - he absolutely did, and that's part of my point. He was selling merchandise, and after a while it became clear that crowds were turning on him except for a younger audience. If you don't think the WWE doesn't keep track of what age demographic is buying certain products, you're nuts. They realized they didn't have a superstar who could've been as big as Austin was with an older audience, which is why it was necessary to change their target audience. It never would've worked if they kept going on the same path of trying to get Cena over with teenagers and young adults. People seem to forget that even though they acknowledge the whole "Cena sucks" movement now, there was a long period of time when they tried to make it seem like nobody was turning on him and everything was fine and dandy. They couldn't keep doing that. Let be clear first, I have been reading your posts for such a long, long time now. After the Benoit Tragedy, the WWE could not make any snap changes in their product. They had to let the media have their fun, let things simmer and then cool down. Once the media was off of their back, they slowly made changes that would give them a better image. You failed to mention that it is the adults who but John Cena's merch, not the kids. I am willing to say that those people who chant "Cena Sucks" are the first who buys Cena's merch. One thing that sets Steve Austin apart from Cena, is Austin embodied what every blue collar wanted to do to their boss everyday. Cena is one of those clean cut, white meat good guys who thrives on passion and the love of the industry. Cena has sacrificed his life for the industry. The WWE took that and made Cena one of their go-to guys. Everybody who wants Cena to turn heel should really think hard why they won't happen. As long as he churns out millions of dollars, the WWE would provide the 600 volts of electricity to keep the Cena train moving. |
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Post by ThugSuperstar on Aug 21, 2014 21:25:28 GMT -5
The Benoit murders had nothing to do with the company moving towards the PG Era. They were still running risqué angles and storylines way after that. It started the institution of the Wellness Policy, yes, but I think we can all agree that the drug testing system was started more of a way to get the media off the company's backs, and the testing itself is pretty much a joke. Orton has failed numerous tests (one was right before his SummerSlam match with Hogan) and they've let him skate by. If it was a guy like Heath Slater or Fandango, they would've been fired a long time ago. And I'm not denying that Cena sold merchandise - he absolutely did, and that's part of my point. He was selling merchandise, and after a while it became clear that crowds were turning on him except for a younger audience. If you don't think the WWE doesn't keep track of what age demographic is buying certain products, you're nuts. They realized they didn't have a superstar who could've been as big as Austin was with an older audience, which is why it was necessary to change their target audience. It never would've worked if they kept going on the same path of trying to get Cena over with teenagers and young adults. People seem to forget that even though they acknowledge the whole "Cena sucks" movement now, there was a long period of time when they tried to make it seem like nobody was turning on him and everything was fine and dandy. They couldn't keep doing that. Let be clear first, I have been reading your posts for such a long, long time now. After the Benoit Tragedy, the WWE could not make any snap changes in their product. They had to let the media have their fun, let things simmer and then cool down. Once the media was off of their back, they slowly made changes that would give them a better image. You failed to mention that it is the adults who but John Cena's merch, not the kids. I am willing to say that those people who chant "Cena Sucks" are the first who buys Cena's merch. One thing that sets Steve Austin apart from Cena, is Austin embodied what every blue collar wanted to do to their boss everyday. Cena is one of those clean cut, white meat good guys who thrives on passion and the love of the industry. Cena has sacrificed his life for the industry. The WWE took that and made Cena one of their go-to guys. Everybody who wants Cena to turn heel should really think hard why they won't happen. As long as he churns out millions of dollars, the WWE would provide the 600 volts of electricity to keep the Cena train moving. I agree with what you're saying about Cena's passion. I've never questioned his dedication to the industry one bit, and I fully understand why they haven't and won't ever turn him heel in the foreseeable future because of the reasons I outlined above - they haven't created anybody who can match his star power. But I don't believe, for the most part, that he's had many adults who make up his fan base in about eight years, and that's simply because adults are no longer his target demographic. His character began to attract a younger audience, and the product really had to shift towards that way since Cena is the star. If they were able to make Cena as marketable to adults as he was to kids, there wouldn't have been a need to move to a PG-themed product. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2014 21:32:35 GMT -5
Vince McMahon's spiteful nature towards internet fans.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2014 21:38:45 GMT -5
heart.
passion.
willingness.
attitude.
marketability.
look.
wrestling skill.
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Post by Next Man’s Yeeter on Aug 21, 2014 21:59:01 GMT -5
If they were able to make Cena as marketable to adults as he was to kids, there wouldn't have been a need to move to a PG-themed product. Lol. Except for the actual, real reasons that they had to go PG. |
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Post by ICW on Aug 21, 2014 22:42:20 GMT -5
Why has Cena been on top for so long? To torture most of us on this very website.
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Post by ThugSuperstar on Aug 21, 2014 23:41:59 GMT -5
If they were able to make Cena as marketable to adults as he was to kids, there wouldn't have been a need to move to a PG-themed product. Lol. Except for the actual, real reasons that they had to go PG. I already explained to you why you're wrong. Cena was already telling kiddie jokes and all that before the company turned PG, and they then shifted the programming in that direction since his character is better suited for children. If Linda McMahon running for office was the reason for them targeting a younger demographic, why haven't they gone back to being edgier since she lost 40 times by now? The answer is because their biggest star, John Cena, wouldn't generate the same revenue if they were relying on him to appeal to 20 year olds as opposed to 10 year olds. |
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Post by Next Man’s Yeeter on Aug 22, 2014 0:19:09 GMT -5
I already explained to you why you're wrong. Lol, you haven't explained what you think you've explained. Do you really think it's a coincidence that WWE now has partnerships with Mattel, Kmart and numerous other brands? That WWE has cartoon deals with The Flintstones and Scooby Doo? You think these things just happened by random chance due to a company direction change that was all about adults at TV tapings booing John Cena? Actually think about the things you're saying for a second lol. I'm very curious, was this something you came up with in 2008 or later on? Have you ever found anyone else who believed you? Of all the things to bash Cena about, a way off the mark conspiracy theory is a pretty strange choice. Personally, I'd have gone with bashing his weak STF, at least that's a criticism with some accuracy. |
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