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Post by attitudesback on Aug 31, 2014 11:01:13 GMT -5
Eh, I understand some people love having 100% accurate figures and stuff but the Flair is still real cool for me, same went for E20 Punk although he never wore it, still looked cool on the shelf.
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Post by Halloween King on Aug 31, 2014 14:38:15 GMT -5
Eh, I understand some people love having 100% accurate figures and stuff but the Flair is still real cool for me, same went for E20 Punk although he never wore it, still looked cool on the shelf. See that's my point though. E20 is an elite figure. Defining Moments are supposed to be figures which reflect/represent a moment in a wrestlers career, thats why they call the line DEFINING MOMENTS. Had Mattel put that flair in an elite box I wouldnt have an issue with his appearance being off. I see it as Bait and Switch on Mattel's part. Had Mattel put that Flair figure in an elite Box and sold it as an online exclusive, either with RSC or someone else I wouldnt have had any issue. But they put him in a defining moments box, he defines no moment with that look and is missing the defining moments gold stand. I equate it to going to Mcdonalds, buying a happy meal, and then seeing you got a cold burger, and no toy. It wasnt what you thought you were going to get and then you see you're missing something that should have been in the box.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2014 14:57:45 GMT -5
Flair is definitely a standard elite figure in a DM box with a higher price for no reason. Pretty weak.
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Post by IwasULTIMATE!!!! on Aug 31, 2014 15:04:17 GMT -5
Well first of all, Ric has had SEVERAL defining moments but I'm pretty sure Bill said that when they got the rights to do Flair the worked on him right away. He made a Flair that would be pleasing to the OVERALL collector demographic. Did he ever wear those trunks with that robe in that era? No. Or probably not ever but who cares? If we only ever got ONE Flair from Mattel, it is still a damn good one. Besides, you made the purchase despite knowing damn well what he looked like and came with.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2014 15:12:49 GMT -5
If we only ever got ONE Flair from Mattel, it is still a damn good one No Flair with that torso can be considered a "damn good one. "
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Post by attitudesback on Aug 31, 2014 15:25:02 GMT -5
Eh, I understand some people love having 100% accurate figures and stuff but the Flair is still real cool for me, same went for E20 Punk although he never wore it, still looked cool on the shelf. See that's my point though. E20 is an elite figure. Defining Moments are supposed to be figures which reflect/represent a moment in a wrestlers career, thats why they call the line DEFINING MOMENTS. Had Mattel put that flair in an elite box I wouldnt have an issue with his appearance being off. I see it as Bait and Switch on Mattel's part. Had Mattel put that Flair figure in an elite Box and sold it as an online exclusive, either with RSC or someone else I wouldnt have had any issue. But they put him in a defining moments box, he defines no moment with that look and is missing the defining moments gold stand. I equate it to going to Mcdonalds, buying a happy meal, and then seeing you got a cold burger, and no toy. It wasnt what you thought you were going to get and then you see you're missing something that should have been in the box. I actually fully understand and to be honest agree with you, it's not a defining moment, if said moment never actually took place. I think it's really just a way of releasing an elite and charging higher price/including the cloth robe and belt. Take nothing away from the figure, I mean I love it but it shouldn't have been marketed as a "defining moment".
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Post by Bandalero on Sept 2, 2014 8:58:56 GMT -5
Milincoln, while I'm inclined to agree with you that Flair's outfit isn't a defining moment by definition, this lamenting over a missing gold stand really throws your argument out the window for me. You've been collecting as long as I have and know very well that Mattel stopped producing stands for the last few years. Do I necessarily believe or agree with their business decision? No I don't, but you can't legitimately use THAT as a gripe knowing full well how it has been for the last few years.
If we want to be picky, Flair wore this exact outfit against Rick Steamboat in '89 - if not Chi Town Rumble, then Wrestle War - I can't remember exactly. No he didn't wear the black/white feathery robe with it, but MDT Bill did say that it's an iconic robe. Flair's attire is actually pretty iconic too.
Should the series have been called "Iconic Moments" or something like that, then we wouldn't have been having any sort of debate.
For the record, I too dislike his super cut torso, which he's never had in his entire career - but you don't get more iconic than his Carolina blue trunks and black/white feathery robe.
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Post by JCF on Sept 2, 2014 9:32:32 GMT -5
I'll agree with the Rowan complaint. Hate the limited arm movement aspect and hope in future releases it can be fixed.
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Post by killerkapowski on Sept 2, 2014 11:03:28 GMT -5
I'll agree with the Rowan complaint. Hate the limited arm movement aspect and hope in future releases it can be fixed. I know right. I was hoping they would put that same pliable plastic on SS Taker's sleeves on Rowan to help alleviate the arm movement.
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Post by Richikane on Sept 2, 2014 18:39:06 GMT -5
Yesterday was a good day as far as figures goes. I found and purchased Rowan and Harper of the Wyatt family. And I opened up one of my Flairs. I didnt take any pictures because by this point we have all seen them in pictures. Sadly all 3 figures had something to them that I did not like. First I was disappointed by the Harper figure. When I saw his shirt I knew it would hinder his torso articulation. Surely enough his rubber shirt makes it hard for Harper to bend at the torso. I just think a painted on shirt, like his basic, would have been better for play ability. Even a cloth shirt would have been better. When I say shirt im referring to his white tank top. His Red Flannel comes off pretty easy. Then on to Rowan. His work jumpsuit/overall blocks his arm movement. At the shoulders his suit/shirt sticks out so it is impossible to put Rowan's arms straight up. So think of when a wrestler wins a match and they raise his arm in victory, Rowan can not be posed that way. With both of the Wyatts, Rowan and Harper, I feel Mattel did a better job with the Basics. So if you're reading this and cant decide which to get, elites or basics, I would say get the basics. The Basics are better for posing and I guess playing, unless you take that white rubber shirt off of Harper. The only thing that makes the Elites slightly better is the lamb mask and the lantern. Also while on the Wyatts, am I the only one who thinks they look like Janitors? And then last, the biggest disappointment, Flair. I was not a fan of the Flair from the moment I saw it. The line is called defining moments but that figure reflects no moment at all. His face looks like older flair, his body is very cut, Flair was never that defined but I think they were going for a younger Flair with the body look. Looks aside, what really disappointed me was the lack of a gold stand for the figure. All of the defining moments figures I've had up until now had a Gold stand for the figure to stand on, Flair does not. I guess it's just another cost cutting measure on Mattel's part. Well remember, they took out the stands so that the cost wouldn't ever have to raise for elites or basics. If we want to keep paying $15 for Elites then we can't get the stands.
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Post by snapbacksandkicks on Sept 2, 2014 18:49:33 GMT -5
I would have to disagree, harper may lack playability but its not like he actually bends that much at the abs, and how is the harper basic better than the elite? isn't the arm problem for both figs, and no figures have come with stands since 2011, why would flair? I think they did an outstanding job on flair, even my dad who is really picky about how figs look when a I show him said that flair was the best fig I've shown him. so my only complaint about flair is his ing waist was sealed shut just like my wm XXX shawn michaels wtf, I had to put it in hot water in case anyone was wondering how to fix that
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Post by Halloween King on Sept 2, 2014 19:27:23 GMT -5
Yesterday was a good day as far as figures goes. I found and purchased Rowan and Harper of the Wyatt family. And I opened up one of my Flairs. I didnt take any pictures because by this point we have all seen them in pictures. Sadly all 3 figures had something to them that I did not like. First I was disappointed by the Harper figure. When I saw his shirt I knew it would hinder his torso articulation. Surely enough his rubber shirt makes it hard for Harper to bend at the torso. I just think a painted on shirt, like his basic, would have been better for play ability. Even a cloth shirt would have been better. When I say shirt im referring to his white tank top. His Red Flannel comes off pretty easy. Then on to Rowan. His work jumpsuit/overall blocks his arm movement. At the shoulders his suit/shirt sticks out so it is impossible to put Rowan's arms straight up. So think of when a wrestler wins a match and they raise his arm in victory, Rowan can not be posed that way. With both of the Wyatts, Rowan and Harper, I feel Mattel did a better job with the Basics. So if you're reading this and cant decide which to get, elites or basics, I would say get the basics. The Basics are better for posing and I guess playing, unless you take that white rubber shirt off of Harper. The only thing that makes the Elites slightly better is the lamb mask and the lantern. Also while on the Wyatts, am I the only one who thinks they look like Janitors? And then last, the biggest disappointment, Flair. I was not a fan of the Flair from the moment I saw it. The line is called defining moments but that figure reflects no moment at all. His face looks like older flair, his body is very cut, Flair was never that defined but I think they were going for a younger Flair with the body look. Looks aside, what really disappointed me was the lack of a gold stand for the figure. All of the defining moments figures I've had up until now had a Gold stand for the figure to stand on, Flair does not. I guess it's just another cost cutting measure on Mattel's part. Well remember, they took out the stands so that the cost wouldn't ever have to raise for elites or basics. If we want to keep paying $15 for Elites then we can't get the stands. I cant remember ever having paid 15 dollars for an Elite. They cost 22.99 at my local Target. 21.99 at my local TRU. And I think 18.99 at the Walmarts near me, only the walmarts near me havnt had elites for a long time. They dont even have pegs for elites at the Walmarts near me, only those Basic Cenas in a shirt and the Cena 2 packs with the Rock. The only time I can remember elites selling for less is if they have some kind of special sale. Also I dont mind stands not being included in the regular elite line. I do mind that Mattel didnt put a stand in with the Defining Moments Ric Flair.
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Post by Halloween King on Sept 2, 2014 19:29:49 GMT -5
I would have to disagree, harper may lack playability but its not like he actually bends that much at the abs, and how is the harper basic better than the elite? isn't the arm problem for both figs, and no figures have come with stands since 2011, why would flair? I think they did an outstanding job on flair, even my dad who is really picky about how figs look when a I show him said that flair was the best fig I've shown him. so my only complaint about flair is his ing waist was sealed shut just like my wm XXX shawn michaels wtf, I had to put it in hot water in case anyone was wondering how to fix that I cant remember the last time I saw the Stands for figures. I just remember that all my DEFINING MOMENTS figures came with gold stands. So I would have thought Mattel wouldnt screw around with the way that particular toy line is presented/released to the customers.
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Post by Halloween King on Sept 2, 2014 19:37:58 GMT -5
Milincoln, while I'm inclined to agree with you that Flair's outfit isn't a defining moment by definition, this lamenting over a missing gold stand really throws your argument out the window for me. You've been collecting as long as I have and know very well that Mattel stopped producing stands for the last few years. Do I necessarily believe or agree with their business decision? No I don't, but you can't legitimately use THAT as a gripe knowing full well how it has been for the last few years. If we want to be picky, Flair wore this exact outfit against Rick Steamboat in '89 - if not Chi Town Rumble, then Wrestle War - I can't remember exactly. No he didn't wear the black/white feathery robe with it, but MDT Bill did say that it's an iconic robe. Flair's attire is actually pretty iconic too. Should the series have been called "Iconic Moments" or something like that, then we wouldn't have been having any sort of debate. For the record, I too dislike his super cut torso, which he's never had in his entire career - but you don't get more iconic than his Carolina blue trunks and black/white feathery robe. Again, I dont remember when they stopped making stands. I just know all of my Defining Moments figures have gold stands. They resurrected a dead series to, I think, get more money from the customers who really wanted a flair. So if you're going to use that name, Defining Moments, then please include everything that came with the other Defining Moments figures. I just see it as Bait and Switch. I see that Flair as a clear sign that Mattel phoned it in with that figure. Had they put some effort into making his look resemble a ppv or had they included the gold stand that came with every Defining Moment figure, until now, I wouldnt be as disappointed with this figure. For what was given to the customers I think they were better off putting the Flair figure in a regular Elite box and selling it for 24.99 as an online exclusive. Also that is one awesome signature pic, you should have put the NWA title on Flair.
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Post by Halloween King on Sept 2, 2014 19:46:17 GMT -5
Well first of all, Ric has had SEVERAL defining moments but I'm pretty sure Bill said that when they got the rights to do Flair the worked on him right away. He made a Flair that would be pleasing to the OVERALL collector demographic. Did he ever wear those trunks with that robe in that era? No. Or probably not ever but who cares? If we only ever got ONE Flair from Mattel, it is still a damn good one. Besides, you made the purchase despite knowing damn well what he looked like and came with. Yes I did purchase TWO flairs. That's why as a paying customer I feel I have the right to voice my dissatisfaction on how Mattel performed with this figure. I bought the Flair because I wanted a Ric Flair. I bought the figure because I know online exclusives tend to cost much more later on after their release. I bought the Flair because it's a new outing by mattel, Im the type of customer who will purchase a figure if that figure hasnt been made before. I love that you agree with me that this flair represents no moment in his career btw.
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Post by YES! YES! YES! on Sept 2, 2014 20:11:46 GMT -5
Dunno bout you guys, but my Elite Harper's torso articulation isnt hindered by the shirt
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Post by hitmancmedge on Sept 2, 2014 21:20:04 GMT -5
Some people really do take this stuff wayyyyy too seriously. That Flair is on point!
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Post by MWFD on Sept 3, 2014 10:23:10 GMT -5
Yesterday was a good day as far as figures goes. I found and purchased Rowan and Harper of the Wyatt family. And I opened up one of my Flairs. I didnt take any pictures because by this point we have all seen them in pictures. Sadly all 3 figures had something to them that I did not like. First I was disappointed by the Harper figure. When I saw his shirt I knew it would hinder his torso articulation. Surely enough his rubber shirt makes it hard for Harper to bend at the torso. I just think a painted on shirt, like his basic, would have been better for play ability. Even a cloth shirt would have been better. When I say shirt im referring to his white tank top. His Red Flannel comes off pretty easy. Then on to Rowan. His work jumpsuit/overall blocks his arm movement. At the shoulders his suit/shirt sticks out so it is impossible to put Rowan's arms straight up. So think of when a wrestler wins a match and they raise his arm in victory, Rowan can not be posed that way. With both of the Wyatts, Rowan and Harper, I feel Mattel did a better job with the Basics. So if you're reading this and cant decide which to get, elites or basics, I would say get the basics. The Basics are better for posing and I guess playing, unless you take that white rubber shirt off of Harper. The only thing that makes the Elites slightly better is the lamb mask and the lantern. Also while on the Wyatts, am I the only one who thinks they look like Janitors? And then last, the biggest disappointment, Flair. I was not a fan of the Flair from the moment I saw it. The line is called defining moments but that figure reflects no moment at all. His face looks like older flair, his body is very cut, Flair was never that defined but I think they were going for a younger Flair with the body look. Looks aside, what really disappointed me was the lack of a gold stand for the figure. All of the defining moments figures I've had up until now had a Gold stand for the figure to stand on, Flair does not. I guess it's just another cost cutting measure on Mattel's part. I liked your post because of the time you spent composing, and while I do not collect current figures (only Legends/Flashbacks through 1997), I do agree with the disappointment in the 'moment', or lack thereof, chosen for Flair. I would have loved a WrestleMania VIII figure in red, with red robe to pair with E23 Savage and still hope and believe that we will get that eventually, but the blue figure we got seems to be a mish-mosh of all different Flairs and not any one particular, famous moment. Having said that, I think the figure is awesome and Mattel should be very proud of this product. It also is a nice benefit for those who create customs that they can use different parts of this figure to create Flairs from different periods. Another thing I've noticed is that it appears the Defining Moments series, which launched with the gimmick of capturing a true 'moment', now seems to be filling the role of the 'more expensive than Elite' line. During the first DM releases, the moment varied from being a match (WrestleMania VII for Savage and Warrior), promo (Triple H return to Raw) or even the more vague in time period but specific attire (The Dragon from Summer 1991). Now the line seems to be moving away from a specific moment and is being used to put more detail and accessories onto a figure, regardless of whether it captures a 'defining moment' of the wrestler's career. Then again, Flair could just be a complete one-off as the upcoming DMs could definitely fit a moment judging by what we've seen from the proto images so far. Hulk could be from WrestleMania III, Razor could be from Survivor Series '92 (his PPV debut), I've never been a WCW fan so I can't call-out with any degree of certainty what the Sting moment is but a quick thought would be Starrcade '97, and Rocky Maivia's debut at Survivor Series '96. Either way, I am very happy to have the Defining Moments line return and regardless of whether it stays with the traditional moment-capturing theme or moves to a way of releasing figures with an increased production budget. The figures have been the best in the WWE line and I can only hope that level of quality continues. Now, if Mattel would just resurrect that Legends line complete with the beautiful old-school logo packaging and give that line one more shot with the right figures...
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Post by PJ on Sept 3, 2014 12:29:47 GMT -5
^ Yes Sting's figure is Starcade 97 when he beat Hogan for the title.
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Post by Halloween King on Sept 3, 2014 14:53:36 GMT -5
Some people really do take this stuff wayyyyy too seriously. That Flair is on point! It's not that I take figures that seriously. I just take being lied to seriously. I also take being short changed seriously.
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