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Post by ThugSuperstar on Sept 2, 2014 0:03:55 GMT -5
Did they actually say he's appearing? I'm sure it'll just be Damien Sandow in a Rams jersey making immature gay jokes instead.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2014 0:09:36 GMT -5
they're such PR $#&*#%*#$ that it's a turn off to me HHH has had how many jokes over the years while in DX making fun of Vince or Rock or anybody else for loving c#@k & blah blah blah...the history of the company is based on insensitivity - tolerance sure, but more than a sprinkle of insensitivity they only care about what's convenient for their image & I hope Michael Sam sees right through it It's only very recently that the entire country has become way more tolerant of homosexuality. When WWE actually acknowledged that Darren Young came out that should've been a sign to all that the "Vince loves ..." Days are over. That's exactly my point...they're just following the crowd & wanting to support & host Michael Sam on Raw so that THEY look good in the press. This isn't a decision based on the ethical beliefs of ownership, but because it rolls with the tide of forced change throughout the nation. They aren't apologetic for previous insensitivities & I'm not saying they weren't tolerant, but it is what it is. WWE isn't thinking about anything but their image when it comes to this IMO. I won't say that they wouldn't tolerate Darren Young in past generations (unfair to say so), but it's pretty obvious they would've been quite insensitive about certain things regarding his lifestyle & not cared one bit...now they'd care because of stocks & shareholders & repercussions with the press/media/gay community/etc.
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Post by PenguinDeluxe on Sept 2, 2014 0:12:29 GMT -5
It's only very recently that the entire country has become way more tolerant of homosexuality. When WWE actually acknowledged that Darren Young came out that should've been a sign to all that the "Vince loves ..." Days are over. That's exactly my point...they're just following the crowd & wanting to support & host Michael Sam on Raw so that THEY look good in the press. This isn't a decision based on the ethical beliefs of ownership, but because it rolls with the tide of forced change throughout the nation. They aren't apologetic for previous insensitivities & I'm not saying they weren't tolerant, but it is what it is. WWE isn't thinking about anything but their image when it comes to this IMO. I won't say that they wouldn't tolerate Darren Young in past generations (unfair to say so), but it's pretty obvious they would've been quite insensitive about certain things regarding his lifestyle & not cared one bit...now they'd care because of stocks & shareholders & repercussions with the press/media/gay community/etc. Pat Patterson. Just saying. I'm not saying Vince's humor isn't immature, but if people were more accepting sooner, who knows?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2014 0:16:27 GMT -5
That's exactly my point...they're just following the crowd & wanting to support & host Michael Sam on Raw so that THEY look good in the press. This isn't a decision based on the ethical beliefs of ownership, but because it rolls with the tide of forced change throughout the nation. They aren't apologetic for previous insensitivities & I'm not saying they weren't tolerant, but it is what it is. WWE isn't thinking about anything but their image when it comes to this IMO. I won't say that they wouldn't tolerate Darren Young in past generations (unfair to say so), but it's pretty obvious they would've been quite insensitive about certain things regarding his lifestyle & not cared one bit...now they'd care because of stocks & shareholders & repercussions with the press/media/gay community/etc. Pat Patterson. Just saying. I'm not saying Vince's humor isn't immature, but if people were more accepting sooner, who knows? I realize he's been around forever & I mentioned that they are tolerant. They accept if someone is gay, but still have shown insensitivity beyond measure. It's not even a question....the history of the company doesn't care if someone was gay - but the jokes & comments would make you believe it's something to make fun of...a way to humiliate a man by saying he does certain things. So, for me...anytime I see them do something as a gesture (in any form), it feels empty & for personal gain.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2014 0:17:43 GMT -5
I had to google him to see who he was.
Well, I won't be watching anyway, so go right ahead.
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Post by BØRNS on Sept 2, 2014 0:19:02 GMT -5
I have no problem with Him signing to WWE if that does happen as long as he trains properly and learns the ropes and gains a good character.I really don't care if he's gay or not.And besides he isn't the first former football player they sign I believe Roman Reigns and Ryback were former football players as well as the rock. And John Cena, JBL, Titus O'Neil, Goldberg, etc.
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Post by Sky'sTheLimit on Sept 2, 2014 6:41:26 GMT -5
Don't know who the guy is, not really bothered whether he appears or not.
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Post by J12 on Sept 2, 2014 9:44:51 GMT -5
I know many won't agree with this but... When was the last time the WWE offered a 7th round draft pick who didn't make the team an open mic? None. So why treat Sam different just because he is gay. Treat him the same as you would anyone else. Leave him off RAW, just as you would any other 7th rounder, and focus on putting up a great show to counteract MNF next week. My two cents. I think your opinion is shared by many, especially in the sports world. I am a huge advocate for the LBGT community, I think what Michael Sam did was great, but I also think that, in order to achieve the "normalcy" that the community wants (and in my opinion, deserves), we need to stop talking about it. I know that's not fair to expect with the very first individual to come forward, but the process has to be started. Michael Sam is a football player, and he didn't make the cut. It happens several dozen times on 32 teams every single season. I feel bad for Jeff Fisher and company in a way, because no matter how pure their intentions may have been, and how true they are in saying it was strictly a football decision, some people aren't ever going to believe that. There are some that will always think this was a decision, at least in part, based on his sexuality. Maybe it was, I don't know, but why even draft him in the first place if they thought it was an issue? The pundits that are detached from the football world, especially, are going to have a hard time understanding all of this. With all of that being said, I think WWE's invitation is just a desperate ratings grab, as I previously mentioned. They know what they're up against next week, hence the announcement of two Summerslam rematches (one inside a steel cage), and this. They see the money behind Sam's name right now and they want a piece of the pie. I just don't see how it could benefit Sam in any way, shape, or form. As previously mentioned, this is a guy who wants nothing more than to play football. He's certainly not going to burn any bridges. So, what's the most he can do on Raw? Come out and say, "hey, I'd like to thank Jeff Fisher, and the entire St. Louis Rams organization for the opportunity, they were great!" Anything else, and he's going to look like an entitled brat and turn off other potential suitors. That's not compelling. It's not something we haven't heard before, and it's going to call into question his commitment to the sport when he's off making an appearance on the sports world's ugly stepchild while kickoff weekend is in the rear view mirror and MNF is airing live.
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Post by TurboEddie on Sept 2, 2014 10:22:40 GMT -5
"Next week on Raw, a football player talks about football!"
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Post by marino13 on Sept 2, 2014 10:34:18 GMT -5
I know many won't agree with this but... When was the last time the WWE offered a 7th round draft pick who didn't make the team an open mic? None. So why treat Sam different just because he is gay. Treat him the same as you would anyone else. Leave him off RAW, just as you would any other 7th rounder, and focus on putting up a great show to counteract MNF next week. My two cents. I think your opinion is shared by many, especially in the sports world. I am a huge advocate for the LBGT community, I think what Michael Sam did was great, but I also think that, in order to achieve the "normalcy" that the community wants (and in my opinion, deserves), we need to stop talking about it. I know that's not fair to expect with the very first individual to come forward, but the process has to be started. Michael Sam is a football player, and he didn't make the cut. It happens several dozen times on 32 teams every single season. I feel bad for Jeff Fisher and company in a way, because no matter how pure their intentions may have been, and how true they are in saying it was strictly a football decision, some people aren't ever going to believe that. There are some that will always think this was a decision, at least in part, based on his sexuality. Maybe it was, I don't know, but why even draft him in the first place if they thought it was an issue? The pundits that are detached from the football world, especially, are going to have a hard time understanding all of this. With all of that being said, I think WWE's invitation is just a desperate ratings grab, as I previously mentioned. They know what they're up against next week, hence the announcement of two Summerslam rematches (one inside a steel cage), and this. They see the money behind Sam's name right now and they want a piece of the pie. I just don't see how it could benefit Sam in any way, shape, or form. As previously mentioned, this is a guy who wants nothing more than to play football. He's certainly not going to burn any bridges. So, what's the most he can do on Raw? Come out and say, "hey, I'd like to thank Jeff Fisher, and the entire St. Louis Rams organization for the opportunity, they were great!" Anything else, and he's going to look like an entitled brat and turn off other potential suitors. That's not compelling. It's not something we haven't heard before, and it's going to call into question his commitment to the sport when he's off making an appearance on the sports world's ugly stepchild while kickoff weekend is in the rear view mirror and MNF is airing live. Exactly my point, thank you!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2014 10:37:59 GMT -5
I know many won't agree with this but... When was the last time the WWE offered a 7th round draft pick who didn't make the team an open mic? None. So why treat Sam different just because he is gay. Treat him the same as you would anyone else. Leave him off RAW, just as you would any other 7th rounder, and focus on putting up a great show to counteract MNF next week. My two cents. I think your opinion is shared by many, especially in the sports world. I am a huge advocate for the LBGT community, I think what Michael Sam did was great, but I also think that, in order to achieve the "normalcy" that the community wants (and in my opinion, deserves), we need to stop talking about it. I know that's not fair to expect with the very first individual to come forward, but the process has to be started. Michael Sam is a football player, and he didn't make the cut. It happens several dozen times on 32 teams every single season. I feel bad for Jeff Fisher and company in a way, because no matter how pure their intentions may have been, and how true they are in saying it was strictly a football decision, some people aren't ever going to believe that. There are some that will always think this was a decision, at least in part, based on his sexuality. Maybe it was, I don't know, but why even draft him in the first place if they thought it was an issue? The pundits that are detached from the football world, especially, are going to have a hard time understanding all of this. With all of that being said, I think WWE's invitation is just a desperate ratings grab, as I previously mentioned. They know what they're up against next week, hence the announcement of two Summerslam rematches (one inside a steel cage), and this. They see the money behind Sam's name right now and they want a piece of the pie. I just don't see how it could benefit Sam in any way, shape, or form. As previously mentioned, this is a guy who wants nothing more than to play football. He's certainly not going to burn any bridges. So, what's the most he can do on Raw? Come out and say, "hey, I'd like to thank Jeff Fisher, and the entire St. Louis Rams organization for the opportunity, they were great!" Anything else, and he's going to look like an entitled brat and turn off other potential suitors. That's not compelling. It's not something we haven't heard before, and it's going to call into question his commitment to the sport when he's off making an appearance on the sports world's ugly stepchild while kickoff weekend is in the rear view mirror and MNF is airing live. excellent post.
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Post by T R W on Sept 2, 2014 10:39:42 GMT -5
As a HUGE football fan, and supporter of Sam's endeavor, I think this is the dumbest ing thing ever.
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Post by Yambag Jones on Sept 2, 2014 11:51:29 GMT -5
I'm not particularly sure what WWE is trying to gain out of the situation. Good press by way of TMZ and then GLAAD? Why as a wrestling audience do we give a sh*t what this guy has to say though? 7th round pick that didn't fit on a team with a fully stacked defensive line. It's not really a big mystery why he got cut. There is a buzz because he's gay, but that's the only reason it matters. The guy is a total moron if he shows up on Raw next week. He's trying to find a job in the NFL. If teams get the impression he's focusing on anything other than being a pro football player right now, so like 15 minutes of fame, they are going to avoid him like the plague. Good press and ratings. Next week is the first Monday night game for the NFL, cue WWE trying to do everything to get a sliver of those ratings for the next 17 weeks...
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Post by RV F'N D on Sept 2, 2014 12:01:26 GMT -5
This is an absolute non-factor move. He isn't relevant to wrestling and barely relevant to football now. This does nothing for ratings, and doesn't make the show more interesting.
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Post by 500DaysofNight on Sept 2, 2014 12:38:33 GMT -5
They never gave Darren Young an open mic to say ANYTHING when he came out. Why give someone who has no ties to the company or wrestling in general an open mic?
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Post by Dr. Mantis Toboggan MD on Sept 2, 2014 15:00:19 GMT -5
I'm a little surprised as to why they revealed he was invited even though he hasn't been confirm. It made sense when the did it to that Politician right before WM 29, because when he flaked after making those comments, it just made him look bad. In this case, WWE could end up looking really stupid.
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Post by CraZsystem on Sept 2, 2014 16:48:55 GMT -5
I know many won't agree with this but... When was the last time the WWE offered a 7th round draft pick who didn't make the team an open mic? None. So why treat Sam different just because he is gay. Treat him the same as you would anyone else. Leave him off RAW, just as you would any other 7th rounder, and focus on putting up a great show to counteract MNF next week. My two cents. My two cents as well. I see this man as any other player who got cut. Just because he's gay doesn't mean a damn thing.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2014 17:16:46 GMT -5
I'm sure it'll just be Damien Sandow in a Rams jersey making immature gay jokes instead. It probably will be. Ugh, please no Michael Samdow.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2014 17:18:46 GMT -5
They never gave Darren Young an open mic to say ANYTHING when he came out. Why give someone who has no ties to the company or wrestling in general an open mic? Darren Young can't cut a good promo though. Maybe Sam can. In all seriousness, he won't be there and for a good reason.
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Post by rustyy on Sept 2, 2014 17:21:55 GMT -5
Yay more filler! Why book stories and good feuds when you can have an NFL failure! What is he gonna say or do? Cut a promo about how he's made it or?
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