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Post by Yambag Jones on Sept 13, 2014 12:45:27 GMT -5
I'm certain he's done wrestling. Without the Streak, I don't see him as a major once-a-year-draw. He deserves to move on and enjoy his life and family. Taker doesn't need the streak to still be a draw I beg to differ. His last two (arguably three or four) WM matches have been terrible. As much as I love the character, I don't need to see him stumble through a match with his opponent doing all the work. The intrigue for the character has been the Streak for a while now. With that over, I don't think it's the same now.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2014 12:48:20 GMT -5
Taker doesn't need the streak to still be a draw I beg to differ. His last two (arguably three or four) WM matches have been terrible. As much as I love the character, I don't need to see him stumble through a match with his opponent doing all the work. The intrigue for the character has been the Streak for a while now. With that over, I don't think it's the same now. It was definitely a selling point, but I think if Taker took a two or three years away and came back, they could easily sell a ppv on it being his first match in two or three years.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2014 12:50:11 GMT -5
Taker doesn't need the streak to still be a draw I beg to differ. His last two (arguably three or four) WM matches have been terrible. As much as I love the character, I don't need to see him stumble through a match with his opponent doing all the work. The intrigue for the character has been the Streak for a while now. With that over, I don't think it's the same now. Wow you are so wrong. Brock match was bad. Punk match was good. Both H matches were good. The name Undertaker draws.
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Post by TX on Sept 13, 2014 13:14:50 GMT -5
His tattoos definitely do look like they've been touched up, although that could just be from the effect on the pics.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2014 13:31:45 GMT -5
Still think he should come back with a Walter White gimmick Wait, you want the Undertaker to be a cancer patient who cooks meth? Brilliant! Paul Heyman is Saul and RD Evans is Jessie. #BetterCallSaul #TheNewStreak #DeadmanWalking
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Post by RybackV1 on Sept 13, 2014 13:31:51 GMT -5
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Post by Roman Bellic on Sept 13, 2014 13:47:15 GMT -5
well, now he can a new streak, 22 pics and 0 at instagramia
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Post by Jamal on Sept 13, 2014 13:50:48 GMT -5
Damn McCool is fine.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2014 13:54:42 GMT -5
Taker doesn't need the streak to still be a draw I beg to differ. His last two (arguably three or four) WM matches have been terrible. As much as I love the character, I don't need to see him stumble through a match with his opponent doing all the work. The intrigue for the character has been the Streak for a while now. With that over, I don't think it's the same now. Whaaa.... His last three or four matches have been terrible? Yeah, NO. His CM Punk and HHH matches were amazing. Don't know what you were watching. His match against Brock Lesnar was the way it was because he suffered a severe 3rd Grade concussion 5 minutes in that knocked him out and had him slipping in and out of consciousness for the duration of the match. He was hurt. We don't know what it could have been had he been healthy. There was nothing about any of the previous matches to show he was "stumbling through and letting his opponent do all the work." That's ridiculous. And now to see him training so hard in martial arts and so physically fit it's a good sign that when completely healed and ready to return he is capable of putting on one last awesome match with an opponent who WON'T do a nasty leg takedown on the outside floor and knock him out on his skull.
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Post by Yambag Jones on Sept 13, 2014 14:05:35 GMT -5
I beg to differ. His last two (arguably three or four) WM matches have been terrible. As much as I love the character, I don't need to see him stumble through a match with his opponent doing all the work. The intrigue for the character has been the Streak for a while now. With that over, I don't think it's the same now. Wow you are so wrong. Brock match was bad. Punk match was good. Both H matches were good. The name Undertaker draws. I know it's probably unlikely for you to do, but looking at it unbiasedly his opponents have carried his matches for years. I'm not saying his last four WM matches were terrible, but his opponents did the heavy lifting. Triple H did it twice, Punk did it once, and Lesnar did his best to do it. Even though he's far more likely to do it than I ever will be, he's probably not capable to carry a match anymore.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2014 14:09:08 GMT -5
Wow you are so wrong. Brock match was bad. Punk match was good. Both H matches were good. The name Undertaker draws. I know it's probably unlikely for you to do, but looking at it unbiasedly his opponents have carried his matches for years. I'm not saying his last four WM matches were terrible, but his opponents did the heavy lifting. Triple H did it twice, Punk did it once, and Lesnar did his best to do it. Even though he's far more likely to do it than I ever will be, he's probably not capable to carry a match anymore. I completely disagree. In fact I always felt that Undertaker carried HHH through both of their last WM matches together. HHH was extremely sluggish during WM 27 and aside from one move Taker did all the bumps, all the wrestling moves, and flying around. It was all him.
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Post by Yambag Jones on Sept 13, 2014 14:12:50 GMT -5
I know it's probably unlikely for you to do, but looking at it unbiasedly his opponents have carried his matches for years. I'm not saying his last four WM matches were terrible, but his opponents did the heavy lifting. Triple H did it twice, Punk did it once, and Lesnar did his best to do it. Even though he's far more likely to do it than I ever will be, he's probably not capable to carry a match anymore. I completely disagree. In fact I always felt that Undertaker carried HHH through both of their last WM matches together. HHH was extremely sluggish during WM 27 and aside from one move Taker did all the bumps, all the wrestling moves, and flying around. It was all him. It's easier for me to believe that Triple H moved more slow to not make the Undertaker look bad. I'm not trying to bash the guy, I've always loved seeing him perform.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2014 14:19:29 GMT -5
I completely disagree. In fact I always felt that Undertaker carried HHH through both of their last WM matches together. HHH was extremely sluggish during WM 27 and aside from one move Taker did all the bumps, all the wrestling moves, and flying around. It was all him. It's easier for me to believe that Triple H moved more slow to not make the Undertaker look bad. I'm not trying to bash the guy, I've always loved seeing him perform. LoL, ok you can believe what you want. Taker was the one doing the suicide dives, table bumps, clotheslines and submission holds and HHH was the one just.... lying there. In BOTH matches. So... yeah. The Doomsday for Undertaker rants have always been ridiculous to me. Yeah he's broken down and suffering from chronic injuries but I've always felt some smarks on the internet have magnified and over exaggerated things to the nth degree. His match with Brock stands out and should be isolated for exactly what it was and nothing more. A match where Taker was severely injured by a completely impulsive and boneheaded move 5 minutes in. It's not fair to judge his performance based on 25 minutes of hardly being conscious and barely even being able to stand he was so out of it. And then to look at everything else he's done in the past 5 years through that harsh and critical lens is nonsensical. To say he isn't a draw without the streak is also completely ridiculous when he was legendary years before the streak ever even became a big deal. He never needed it to draw or have a feud and even now I'd say it would be a huge draw for fans wondering what post-streak Taker would even be like.
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Post by Yambag Jones on Sept 13, 2014 14:22:30 GMT -5
It's easier for me to believe that Triple H moved more slow to not make the Undertaker look bad. I'm not trying to bash the guy, I've always loved seeing him perform. Yeah he's broken down and suffering from chronic injuries This
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Post by Yambag Jones on Sept 13, 2014 14:23:30 GMT -5
I feel like I hijacked this thread, I'm sorry guys.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2014 14:37:56 GMT -5
I feel like people make too much of a big deal of Undertaker showing age and use it as something to hold against him. It's like they take mark-dom too far and truly believe he's this mythical being from the darkside who is never supposed to age. He's heading into his 50s. Are we supposed to believe his beard wouldn't get grey? I didn't see HBK getting the same treatment when he started looking sunken and almost completely bald yet hanging onto a Heyman-like, mullet-esque mop of hair. Or Stone Cold when he got all tubby and soft, or Nash when he started looking like Kenny Rogers. Aside from the grey-white hair in his beard and being obviously much thinner which we can see is from working out a lot, I think Taker honesty doesn't look that much different. He's been dying his hair for YEARS. He's always been a pale, freckled ginger. Do people actually believe he walks around with black eyeliner, a phony black beard and robes everyday? Even now if he dyed his beard dark again and his eyebrows I honestly think he'd look the same as usual and not really drastically aged.
That being said I don't know why McCool has finally posted full pics of him on her instagram or he's finally relented to let his picture be shown. She's always been so careful to not show all of him or crop his face out of photos. It could be a way to show the dirtsheets that he's not some crippled, broken down man who can barely move and is running scared from Big Bad Brock. Or, more likely he and McCool are actively fundraising for their charity and trying to use what they can to raise awareness. Undertaker has definitely helped by appearing. Either way, I'm just glad to see these pics. First, he's clearly happy. I've always thought his relationship with McCool was impressive for many reasons but mostly because they've kept it so classy and out of the spotlight. She clearly looks after him. Second, he's obviously healthy if he's training this hard. What he's training for I don't know but he's said to be in some impressive shape. Don't know what it will lead to but I'm excited to find out. If it turns out being a last match with a proper send off and an opponent who won't stupidly injure him then I'm all for it.
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Post by sitruC on Sept 13, 2014 14:49:02 GMT -5
I think people are looking too far into this, like when a teacher asks "Why did he make the curtains brown?"
The girl probably just wants to upload pictures of her and her husband to her Instagram to look back on it later on in life and he agreed. Not "he wants to show people he can walk" or "he is Walter White", he's just an ordinary guy with an extraordinary job/character.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2014 14:55:08 GMT -5
I think people are looking too far into this, like when a teacher asks "Why did he make the curtains brown?" The girl probably just wants to upload pictures of her and her husband to her Instagram to look back on it later on in life and he agreed. Not "he wants to show people he can walk" or "he is Walter White", he's just an ordinary guy with an extraordinary job/character. I agree that it's not a big deal in and of itself but I don't think people are surprised that she's showing him. I think it's because she is showing him NOW and never did before. McCool got Instagram in April and if you look back through her posts she makes a point of never mentioning who her husband is and even when she does refer to him she always calls him "hubs." There are a few photos where you can see his arm or hand but she carefully crops out the rest of him. It's become a running joke, like everyone knows who her husband is but she refused to show a full pic. In July she posted that she was finally giving in and posting a picture of "me and my husband together." Only she made a joke that she screwed up the cropping and all you could see was his chest. She again took his face out. So now it's surprising to some that in the last week alone 3 full pictures of him have showed up on instagram. Even when they were still on the road together and in the wwe and had been a couple for years it was a rarity for fans to capture a photo of them together.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2014 15:07:17 GMT -5
Taker is a universally respected legend with lots of money and a hot wife.
Good for Taker. Proud to be a fan
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Post by Mizzah on Sept 13, 2014 20:03:36 GMT -5
I feel like people make too much of a big deal of Undertaker showing age and use it as something to hold against him. It's like they take mark-dom too far and truly believe he's this mythical being from the darkside who is never supposed to age. He's heading into his 50s. Are we supposed to believe his beard wouldn't get grey? I didn't see HBK getting the same treatment when he started looking sunken and almost completely bald yet hanging onto a Heyman-like, mullet-esque mop of hair. Or Stone Cold when he got all tubby and soft, or Nash when he started looking like Kenny Rogers. Aside from the grey-white hair in his beard and being obviously much thinner which we can see is from working out a lot, I think Taker honesty doesn't look that much different. He's been dying his hair for YEARS. He's always been a pale, freckled ginger. Do people actually believe he walks around with black eyeliner, a phony black beard and robes everyday? Even now if he dyed his beard dark again and his eyebrows I honestly think he'd look the same as usual and not really drastically aged. That being said I don't know why McCool has finally posted full pics of him on her instagram or he's finally relented to let his picture be shown. She's always been so careful to not show all of him or crop his face out of photos. It could be a way to show the dirtsheets that he's not some crippled, broken down man who can barely move and is running scared from spam Brock. Or, more likely he and McCool are actively fundraising for their charity and trying to use what they can to raise awareness. Undertaker has definitely helped by appearing. Either way, I'm just glad to see these pics. First, he's clearly happy. I've always thought his relationship with McCool was impressive for many reasons but mostly because they've kept it so classy and out of the spotlight. She clearly looks after him. Second, he's obviously healthy if he's training this hard. What he's training for I don't know but he's said to be in some impressive shape. Don't know what it will lead to but I'm excited to find out. If it turns out being a last match with a proper send off and an opponent who won't stupidly injure him then I'm all for it. Perfectly said. Some of Takers best matches have happened in recent years, and it shows he still has it. He, imo, will always be one of those timeless classics that I will always be in awe over, because he always puts on one of the best matches.
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