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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2014 5:24:30 GMT -5
So this year Halloween is on Friday & for the next couple of years Halloween falls in and around the weekend....
So I'm left wondering why doesn't Vince use the Halloween Havoc name for a PPV? Surely its ideally matched to his PG brand at the moment? and is ripe for cross promotion? He does own it and has used the Great American Bash as a PPV previously so I wonder is there another issue?
I questioned this a couple of years ago too when Halloween fell on the weekend consecutive years but PG was the brand then.
as I have said I think its a perfect match for his PG stuff and a good cross promotion to draw in the kiddies for the kiddies.
thoughts?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2014 7:10:36 GMT -5
Probably because it's a WCW thing, but that can't be the case because they brought back the Great American Bash.
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Post by Evil Abed on Sept 14, 2014 7:38:48 GMT -5
I gotta agree that its because its mostly a WCW thing. I would love to see Halloween Havoc return but I doubt it will. I would have loved to see Halloween Havoc as October's second PPV instead of Battleground or Vengeance the last few years.
Besides the short lived Great American Bash PPV that made its return, I feel like Vince just has no desire to promote anything (not superstar related) that was a WCW creation. (PPV's, Title History, etc...) When guys like Scott Steiner and Goldberg debuted, there was no mention of them being former WCW guys, almost like everyone already recognizes their names, no need to promote their time in WCW.
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Post by Mr Wrestling Jr. on Sept 14, 2014 7:40:54 GMT -5
Yeah like already said, anything WCW Vince doesn't seem to have a great deal of appreciation for. I feel like once he decides to let others have a more stronger say in the company there might be a chance, but until such a time, all WWE, nothing that once competed against him.
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Sept 14, 2014 9:36:01 GMT -5
That's a lot of "PG" mentions in one post haha.
The answer is simple: Hell in a Cell is more marketable. If a year ever fell where October 31st was a Sunday and they saw somewhere else in the calendar to put Hell in a Cell, maybe they'd do Halloween Havoc. But apart from the old Survivor Series deal, WWE has only rarely strongly themed a PPV with a holiday.
Names like Halloween Havoc, Christmas Chaos, Memorial Day Meltdown etc are all kind of lame, too. Lame enough that I could only really see them ever being used as In Your House sub-headings.
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Post by Prophet of Ash on Sept 14, 2014 10:24:42 GMT -5
That's a lot of "PG" mentions in one post haha. The answer is simple: Hell in a Cell is more marketable. If a year ever fell where October 31st was a Sunday and they saw somewhere else in the calendar to put Hell in a Cell, maybe they'd do Halloween Havoc. But apart from the old Survivor Series deal, WWE has only rarely strongly themed a PPV with a holiday. Names like Halloween Havoc, Christmas Chaos, Memorial Day Meltdown etc are all kind of lame, too. Lame enough that I could only really see them ever being used as In Your House sub-headings. Memorial Day Meltdown would be awesome.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2014 10:27:45 GMT -5
I wouldn't mind there being a "Halloween Havoc" WCW type of reunion. Appearance by Bischoff, NWO, Dean Malenko, Flair, Sting, all of those guys. It would be very good and I think marketable IMO.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Sept 14, 2014 10:30:05 GMT -5
I wouldn't mind there being a "Halloween Havoc" WCW type of reunion. Appearance by Bischoff, NWO, Dean Malenko, Flair, Sting, all of those guys. It would be very good and I think marketable IMO. A marketable WCW reunion? Doubtful.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2014 10:34:47 GMT -5
I wouldn't mind there being a "Halloween Havoc" WCW type of reunion. Appearance by Bischoff, NWO, Dean Malenko, Flair, Sting, all of those guys. It would be very good and I think marketable IMO. A marketable WCW reunion? Doubtful. Well, I mean, think about it. No one thought an ECW reunion would be good in 05, but yet that was the most bought or watched PPV of that year (I might be wrong, and if I am, I know it was up there on the list) WCW had some strong viewers, and if those people saw WCW have some type of reunion show they would be brought back to the product? I don't know. I think it could be something good.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2014 10:37:29 GMT -5
I wouldn't mind there being a "Halloween Havoc" WCW type of reunion. Appearance by Bischoff, NWO, Dean Malenko, Flair, Sting, all of those guys. It would be very good and I think marketable IMO. Too bad we pretty much had that (minus Malenko) in TNA from 2010-2012 and it was pretty terrible. A marketable WCW reunion? Doubtful. Well, I mean, think about it. No one thought an ECW reunion would be good in 05, but yet that was the most bought or watched PPV of that year (I might be wrong, and if I am, I know it was up there on the list) WCW had some strong viewers, and if those people saw WCW have some type of reunion show they would be brought back to the product? I don't know. I think it could be something good. LOL, WrestleMania 21 was the most bought PPV in 2005...and one of the top bought PPVs of all time to that point.
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Sept 14, 2014 10:40:05 GMT -5
A marketable WCW reunion? Doubtful. Well, I mean, think about it. No one thought an ECW reunion would be good in 05 That was four years after ECW folded. There have been a hundred ECW reunions in the decade since then, and they've constantly gotten worse. In 2005, it was very easy within a WWE budget to put together an ECW show in 2005. Everybody from ECW was either a nobody (and thus cheap) or they were already contracted to WWE. Who is left from WCW that isn't retired and wouldn't cost a bomb?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2014 10:41:15 GMT -5
Well, I mean, think about it. No one thought an ECW reunion would be good in 05 That was four years after ECW folded. There have been a hundred ECW reunions in the decade since then, and they've constantly gotten worse. In 2005, it was very easy within a WWE budget to put together an ECW show. Everybody from ECW was either a nobody (and thus cheap) or they were already contracted to WWE. Who is left from WCW that isn't retired and wouldn't cost a bomb? Plus, ONS 2005 was six months after the highest selling WWE DVD to that point---the Rise and Fall of ECW. There was a TON of momentum behind the ECW brand at that point, that's why the show was so successful.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Sept 14, 2014 10:42:47 GMT -5
A marketable WCW reunion? Doubtful. Well, I mean, think about it. No one thought an ECW reunion would be good in 05, but yet that was the most bought or watched PPV of that year (I might be wrong, and if I am, I know it was up there on the list) WCW had some strong viewers, and if those people saw WCW have some type of reunion show they would be brought back to the product? I don't know. I think it could be something good. ECW was a cheap reunion that people wanted back in 2005. It was just four years since they closed and ECW always had a rabid/passionate fan base. WCW guys would want too much money to come back, it's been far too long and the demand for a WCW reunion isn't high.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2014 10:51:29 GMT -5
I wouldn't mind there being a "Halloween Havoc" WCW type of reunion. Appearance by Bischoff, NWO, Dean Malenko, Flair, Sting, all of those guys. It would be very good and I think marketable IMO. Too bad we pretty much had that (minus Malenko) in TNA from 2010-2012 and it was pretty terrible. Well, I mean, think about it. No one thought an ECW reunion would be good in 05, but yet that was the most bought or watched PPV of that year (I might be wrong, and if I am, I know it was up there on the list) WCW had some strong viewers, and if those people saw WCW have some type of reunion show they would be brought back to the product? I don't know. I think it could be something good. LOL, WrestleMania 21 was the most bought PPV in 2005...and one of the top bought PPVs of all time to that point. Heyman said in an interview that ONS was pretty high on the list. Like I said, no one thought ECW would've been as big as it was, and look at what happened.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2014 10:53:43 GMT -5
Well, I mean, think about it. No one thought an ECW reunion would be good in 05 That was four years after ECW folded. There have been a hundred ECW reunions in the decade since then, and they've constantly gotten worse. In 2005, it was very easy within a WWE budget to put together an ECW show in 2005. Everybody from ECW was either a nobody (and thus cheap) or they were already contracted to WWE. Who is left from WCW that isn't retired and wouldn't cost a bomb? Sting, Flair (or is he on a date basis?), Booker T, Hogan, so there's a few left that was influential.
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Sept 14, 2014 10:56:03 GMT -5
That was four years after ECW folded. There have been a hundred ECW reunions in the decade since then, and they've constantly gotten worse. In 2005, it was very easy within a WWE budget to put together an ECW show in 2005. Everybody from ECW was either a nobody (and thus cheap) or they were already contracted to WWE. Who is left from WCW that isn't retired and wouldn't cost a bomb? Sting, Flair (or is he on a date basis?), Booker T, Hogan, so there's a few left that was influential. Flair is retired, Hogan is too far gone to wrestle. Sting's big last match probably isn't against Booker T, and even if it was, that would still leave 6-7 matches left to fill.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2014 11:03:35 GMT -5
Too bad we pretty much had that (minus Malenko) in TNA from 2010-2012 and it was pretty terrible. LOL, WrestleMania 21 was the most bought PPV in 2005...and one of the top bought PPVs of all time to that point. Heyman said in an interview that ONS was pretty high on the list. Like I said, no one thought ECW would've been as big as it was, and look at what happened. Everyone expected the ECW PPV to do a big number (340,000 isn't a gigantic number, by the way) because the brand had momentum after a critically acclaimed and widely purchased DVD. ECW was something that fans still missed and a show with the right card (which this one had) was going to do well because of the momentum the brand had. WCW has no momentum as a brand, even if they got Sting to work a match on the show.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Sept 14, 2014 11:03:35 GMT -5
Too bad we pretty much had that (minus Malenko) in TNA from 2010-2012 and it was pretty terrible. LOL, WrestleMania 21 was the most bought PPV in 2005...and one of the top bought PPVs of all time to that point. Heyman said in an interview that ONS was pretty high on the list. Like I said, no one thought ECW would've been as big as it was, and look at what happened. Everyone knew that the ECW Pay-Per-View would be a success. It wasn't expensive to put together and, with the Rise and Fall DVD selling so well, they expected it to be a success.
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Post by El Armbar on Sept 14, 2014 11:03:42 GMT -5
I could see a RAW or Smackdown with the Halloween Havoc theme. After it was no longer an annual WWE ppv, they used the Great American Bash for a live Smackdown theme in July 2012.
BTW - If you thought Eva Marie was terrible watch Halloween Havoc 2000: Konnan & Tygress vs. Shane Douglas & Torrie Wilson.
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Post by BrIaNMeRcY on Sept 14, 2014 11:19:06 GMT -5
A marketable WCW reunion? Doubtful. Well, I mean, think about it. No one thought an ECW reunion would be good in 05, but yet that was the most bought or watched PPV of that year (I might be wrong, and if I am, I know it was up there on the list) WCW had some strong viewers, and if those people saw WCW have some type of reunion show they would be brought back to the product? I don't know. I think it could be something good. I am calling shens big time on this. One of the reasons why One Night Stand 2005 was a success was because of the success of "The Rise & Fall of ECW" DVD that was released in November 2004. A WCW reunion show wouldn't have the same success as an ECW show. It is sad that they keep on dong these ECW reunion shows. They should let ECW live in peace. I mean, holy ****, it has been close to fourteen years since the demise of ECW. Going back to the original post, one of the reasons is Vince McMahon would much rather use what his company created. As for them using the Great American Bash, it has to do with how patriotic Vince McMahon is. Which is why the ropes were red-white-blue for so many years. Now looking back, none of the Halloween Havoc events took place on Halloween. No earlier than the 23rd and no later than the 29th did WCW hold Halloween Havoc. I could see a RAW or Smackdown with the Halloween Havoc theme. After it was no longer an annual WWE ppv, they used the Great American Bash for a live Smackdown theme in July 2012. The WWE did do a Halloween Themed episode of SmackDown in 2002. One notable thing that came out of it was the birth of John Cena's rap gimmick. 2005 buyrates in order of most to least purchased: 2005: WrestleMania 21: 980,000 SummerSlam: 650,000 Royal Rumble: 575,000 Vengeance: 420,000 Survivor Series: 400,000 ECW One Night Stand: 340,000 Backlash 2005: 320,000 Armageddon: 320,000 Great American Bash: 280,000 Judgment Day: 260,000 Unforgiven: 250,000 Taboo Tuesday: 250,000 No Way Out: 240,000 No Mercy: 230,000
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