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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2014 11:41:21 GMT -5
How is Punk number 2.. Their feud was literally like 2 months with a match a MITB and SS. Orton vs. Cena had countless matches in tons of different stips. He's way before Punk. But its a tie between him and Edge Punk feuded with Cena from July 2011-October 2011 and from July 2012-February 2013, that's a total of 12 months, not 2. You also have to take the quality of the feud into account. Cena and Orton NEVER had chemistry, and adding in that they've appeared in 19 PPV matches together with only one that I consider actually memorable, says a lot. Cena and Edge had a lot of chemistry and out of their 9 PPV matches, I consider at least 4-5 of them memorable. Cena and Punk also had a lot of chemistry and out of their 6 PPV matches, I consider 3-4 of them memorable. They didn't feud from July 2012-February 2013.. Every PPV match he had in that time period with Punk was Triple Threats with another person and their one singles match at NOC. Then in December, Cena feuded with Ziggler and Punk wasn't even on the card and then he feuded with Rock in January to February |
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Post by Kanenite on Sept 14, 2014 14:32:44 GMT -5
Edge was the first guy to bring something special out of Cena after he initially won the title. Their rivalry is one of the best of recent times, and should of been ranked #1.
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Post by sitruC on Sept 14, 2014 14:42:15 GMT -5
All I remember from Cena and Orton is the amazing promos their matches always got.
Cena and Edges feud made both men main eventers in my eyes.
Punk and Cena told the greatest story in modern wrestling, anyone disagreeing that it wasn't amazing is trying to be an edgy anti-Punk person.
Any 3 are good enough for me, hated The Rock feud.
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Post by johnnyb on Sept 14, 2014 14:43:20 GMT -5
No one in WWE history has gotten watchable matches out of Cena more consistently than CM Punk. To me, that would make him #1 on my list (if I gave a damn about Cena). I think if you consider how compelling the storylines were, Rock would be #1 and Punk would be a close #2. And to be honest, I can't name a single PPV off the top of my head that was headlined by Cena/Orton. Maybe they had a lot of matches (no idea) and maybe some of them were good (can't confirm) but when I thought of this list off the top of my head Orton wasn't even on it. Edge is a legitimate choice for #1 because his matches with Cena really established him as a main eventer (though I don't think Edge ever had a particularly memorable win over Cena, save for his MITB cash-in match, during which Cena, even after getting his ass kicked in an Elimination Chamber match, began the match by kicking out of Edge's finishing move. Worth noting that in subsequent video highlights of that match, the spear kickout is always edited out).
Man, this thread just reminded me of a hundred reasons why I hate John Cena. Thanks a lot.
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Post by Dr. Mantis Toboggan MD on Sept 14, 2014 14:46:49 GMT -5
Punk feuded with Cena from July 2011-October 2011 and from July 2012-February 2013, that's a total of 12 months, not 2. You also have to take the quality of the feud into account. Cena and Orton NEVER had chemistry, and adding in that they've appeared in 19 PPV matches together with only one that I consider actually memorable, says a lot. Cena and Edge had a lot of chemistry and out of their 9 PPV matches, I consider at least 4-5 of them memorable. Cena and Punk also had a lot of chemistry and out of their 6 PPV matches, I consider 3-4 of them memorable. They didn't feud from July 2012-February 2013.. Every PPV match he had in that time period with Punk was Triple Threats with another person and their one singles match at NOC. Then in December, Cena feuded with Ziggler and Punk wasn't even on the card and then he feuded with Rock in January to February On the February 25th Raw Punk unsuccessfully challenged Cena for his spot in the WM 29 main event, with their live event matches being Cena and Ryback vs Punk and Ziggler. The feud was definitely meant to have gone differently, but Cena got hurt, so they threw Ryback in. The majority of Orton and Cena's matches also featured more than just them (i.e. EC, Triple Threat, and Fatal 4-Way). Also, if you look back for the first half of 2006, Edge was also feuding with Mick Foley, and a lot of his matches with Cena were also feature more than just them as well. Again, it's about which feud was more memorable as opposed to how many matches they had, while also being seen in generally positive light. People always talk about Rock being Austin's most memorable feud, but Austin actually had more matches and had longer feuds with both Undertaker and Triple H. His feud with Taker saw almost twice the matches as Rock vs Austin, but was pretty forgettable since they didn't ever have a solid match. |
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Post by rustyy on Sept 14, 2014 14:53:42 GMT -5
All I know is that the list is wrong. 1. Edge 2. CM Punk 3. Randy Orton 4. The Rock 5. Brock Lesnar 6. Batista 7. JBL 8. Tripe H 9. Kurt Angle 10. The WWE Universe I put the Universe last because it's obviously not an actual wrestler, but an argument could be made that the fans are indeed his biggest rival and it could go number one. How is Punk number 2.. Their feud was literally like 2 months with a match a MITB and SS. Orton vs. Cena had countless matches in tons of different stips. He's way before Punk. But its a tie between him and Edge Because the Orton feudS sucked and they have no chemistry. Plus, during their biggest match ever announcement you could hear a pin drop. Punk/Cena was hot. You don't need a year long rivalry to have the best rivalry. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2014 14:56:28 GMT -5
Edge at number one and Punk at number two would be my choices
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Post by Brad on Sept 14, 2014 15:08:51 GMT -5
Edge at number one and Punk at number two would be my choices Without a doubt |
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Post by McBlake on Sept 14, 2014 16:44:14 GMT -5
I'm in agreement with Orton being number 1 despite being repetitive and boring at the time. The number of matches different types of matches and storyline easily has Orton as his biggest rival imo.
Think the most underrated one would be JBL.
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Post by rustyy on Sept 14, 2014 16:58:13 GMT -5
I'm in agreement with Orton being number 1 despite being repetitive and boring at the time. The number of matches different types of matches and storyline easily has Orton as his biggest rival imo. Think the most underrated one would be JBL. Just because he's had so many matches doesn't make the feud any better. Kingston and Ziggler faced every week for a year but that doesn't make it a good feud. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2014 17:15:05 GMT -5
I'm in agreement with Orton being number 1 despite being repetitive and boring at the time. The number of matches different types of matches and storyline easily has Orton as his biggest rival imo. Think the most underrated one would be JBL. Just because he's had so many matches doesn't make the feud any better. Kingston and Ziggler faced every week for a year but that doesn't make it a good feud. WWE should rank "Sheamus and Del Rio" the greatest feud of all time by that logic lol. |
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Post by cordless2016 on Sept 14, 2014 21:04:12 GMT -5
1) Edge - Every top face needs a top heel. Hogan needed Piper and Savage. Bret needed Owen and HBK. Austin needed Rock and HHH. And Cena needed Edge. Edge helped legitimize Cena as the top face and gave Cena some of his best matches ever.
2) Randy Orton - IMO they have not had one memorable match together but seeing as they've faced each other so many times Orton rightfully deserves to be here. They've had some good promos and builds, but sadly they've never had the chemistry like Cena did with other guys he worked with.
3) Batista - For years they were the top 2 dogs of the WWE but were separated on different shows. The WWE rushed their first match in 2008 but there is no denying it had a big match feel. When they finally had a proper big match build in 2010 it was gold. Heeltista was great and it finally felt that there was a top heel who could physically match Cena in the ring. Batista gave the feeling that even as a heel he could defeat Cena clean.
4) HHH - Yes they've only fought twice but both of their matches had a big time feel to them. Both matches, while not classics, delivered and Cena was officially the man after going over at WM22.
5) The Rock - For years the WWE teased this feud and when Rocky finally returned it again gave Cena another big time feud. While their matches weren't the best they both gave great promos and it was one of those rare moments where we got to see 2 legit top stars from different generations go at it.
6) Chris Jericho
7) Brock Lesnar
8) Kurt Angle
9) CM Punk
10) Big Show
Honorable Mention: JBL
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Post by Joe/Smurf on Sept 15, 2014 0:21:30 GMT -5
I'd say Orton or Edge should be number one because it seemed like Cena had un-ending feuds with them for no reason... but if we're talkign "greatest" rivalries, it HAS to be Punk. That produced the best TV by far. Rock would be shortly thereafter, even if I didn't like anything from either of them, a lot of people did.
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Post by J12 on Sept 15, 2014 11:47:32 GMT -5
Top three should be Edge, Punk and Rock. Orton being at #1 on a WWE list doesn't surprise me though, since they like to pretend that Cena vs Orton is the Austin vs Rock of this generation. Yeah, this. I always thought that Cena/Punk was what WWE always hoped Cena/Orton would be. I'd rank Edge at #1, though, just because of the sheer length of the rivalry and the fact that it made Edge. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2014 11:48:59 GMT -5
I'm in agreement with Orton being number 1 despite being repetitive and boring at the time. The number of matches different types of matches and storyline easily has Orton as his biggest rival imo. Think the most underrated one would be JBL. Just because he's had so many matches doesn't make the feud any better. Kingston and Ziggler faced every week for a year but that doesn't make it a good feud. And being a snarky elitist jackass doesn't make Cena vs. Punk the feud that defines Cena. Top three should be Edge, Punk and Rock. Orton being at #1 on a WWE list doesn't surprise me though, since they like to pretend that Cena vs Orton is the Austin vs Rock of this generation. Yeah, this. I always thought that Cena/Punk was what WWE always hoped Cena/Orton would be. I'd rank Edge at #1, though, just because of the sheer length of the rivalry and the fact that it made Edge. It kind of solidified Cena as the top guy, too. Granted, he was pretty much already there but that feud sealed it. |
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Post by J12 on Sept 15, 2014 11:52:34 GMT -5
Just because he's had so many matches doesn't make the feud any better. Kingston and Ziggler faced every week for a year but that doesn't make it a good feud. And being a snarky elitist jackass doesn't make Cena vs. Punk the feud that defines Cena. Yeah, this. I always thought that Cena/Punk was what WWE always hoped Cena/Orton would be. I'd rank Edge at #1, though, just because of the sheer length of the rivalry and the fact that it made Edge. It kind of solidified Cena as the top guy, too. Granted, he was pretty much already there but that feud sealed it. I would agree with that. It was already clear that Cena was coming into his own as "the" guy, but Edge was the first real "super-villain" he had to constantly do battle with. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2014 11:55:27 GMT -5
And being a snarky elitist jackass doesn't make Cena vs. Punk the feud that defines Cena. It kind of solidified Cena as the top guy, too. Granted, he was pretty much already there but that feud sealed it. I would agree with that. It was already clear that Cena was coming into his own as "the" guy, but Edge was the first real "super-villain" he had to constantly do battle with. Agreed. He's also one of the better ones. Edge, for all the negative stuff people write about him after his retirement, was the perfect main event heel for WWE 2006-2009. |
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Post by rustyy on Sept 15, 2014 12:31:23 GMT -5
Just because he's had so many matches doesn't make the feud any better. Kingston and Ziggler faced every week for a year but that doesn't make it a good feud. And being a snarky elitist jackass doesn't make Cena vs. Punk the feud that defines Cena. Please direct me to where I was a snarky elitist jackass. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2014 12:49:57 GMT -5
And being a snarky elitist jackass doesn't make Cena vs. Punk the feud that defines Cena. Please direct me to where I was a snarky elitist jackass. I could be cute and say "every post you make", but I'll go with my favorite example: No, MELTZERS star ratings are stupid, not star ratings. I rate matches myself. I enjoyed the Brock/Punk match a lot more than anything else, they both put their all in it and it turned out. I hated both Cena matches because it felt like a Goldberg squash against a random jobber. And at least in the Punk match Lesnar wasn't crying for help because he was so hurt. We're just going to have to agree to disagree here, you are never going to see things the way I do. That's not being a snarky, elitist jackass? |
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Post by Rob on Sept 15, 2014 13:02:17 GMT -5
Edge/Cena should definitely be #1 by far.
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