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Post by The Kevstaaa on Sept 15, 2014 7:47:13 GMT -5
With people like Lesnar, Hogan, Jericho, HHH, Orton, Reigns , Ambrose, Wyatt's , Usos , Swagger, etc with merchandise on the stands . I highly highly doubt that Cena is outselling everyone combined. You can highly doubt it from blind Cena hatred, but that doesn't make it any less true. I've no idea why you've included Swagger in that list, his shirts have been selling poorly (well the black one at least, the blue might be doing better). Cena might not be outselling everyone including Hogan combined, but he was definitely outselling everyone on the active roster combined -- that info is several weeks old though and may be from the point before the Reigns, Rollins and Ambrose individual merch launched. Cena's single-handed merchandise dominance is due to the previous #2 sellers Punk and Bryan being off TV. Yes he is. As much as you may like to imagine that Cena doesn't make the company lots of money, he does. Much more than anyone else they have. None of that is true. The company is losing money right now because of the network, but before they started spending money on the network in 2011, they were in an incredibly solid place financially. For the last several years, Cena has been getting them sponsorship deals and partnerships that they'd never have gotten without him. And they have indeed broken records over the last decade. Greatest-grossing live event they've ever done, WrestleMania 29. And WrestleManias 21, 23 and 28 all broke company PPV buy records. WrestleMania 30 was technically the most-bought/most-watched WrestleMania, too. If you think the purpose for turning someone heel is "he will be cheered a lot more" then you probably shouldn't be making the calls on the heel turns. So I'm not a big John Cena fan, but this post makes so much sense. I was going to say that WrestleMania 29 broke records and is their second or third highest attended WrestleMania I believe. And the sponsorships are hugs. It's why, when Brock Lesnar says that there would be no John Cena if he was still with the company, I'd have to disagree. I feel that Cena would be 1A or the number 2 guy at the very least because he's the prototypical guy to do all of the appearances and have the sponsorships. Brock isn't going to grant any Make-A-Wishes. Anyway, back to the topic at hand, John Cena is money, whether people like it or not.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2014 9:00:56 GMT -5
Me personally, I have no interest in seeing Cena even entertain the thought of turning heel...these pro wrestling jargon terms are somewhat irrelevant to today's most accessible version of it, ostensibly now called 'sports entertainment'...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2014 10:34:09 GMT -5
Yeah.......nothing really newsworthy here IMO.....
Cena sells bundles of merch I thought all hands knew that. I mean...Who would be even approaching him on the merch sales?
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Post by Mr. McCluer on Sept 15, 2014 10:35:54 GMT -5
Cena needs to turn heel. I honestly think if he does it'll prolong his career and it will make it even more memorable when he finally turns face again.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2014 10:38:45 GMT -5
Yeah.......nothing really newsworthy here IMO..... Cena sells bundles of merch I thought all hands knew that. I mean...Who would be even approaching him on the merch sales? Jeff Hardy in 2009...but then he got high. Why Jeff...why....
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2014 10:41:05 GMT -5
Yeah.......nothing really newsworthy here IMO..... Cena sells bundles of merch I thought all hands knew that. I mean...Who would be even approaching him on the merch sales? Jeff Hardy in 2009...but then he got high. Why Jeff...why.... In 2014 who would even be approaching him on merch sales? he is practically the sole focus of all WWE TV......
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Post by BrIaNMeRcY on Sept 15, 2014 10:42:25 GMT -5
Why is this considered news? Oh wait, it must have been an incredibly slow news day.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2014 10:43:54 GMT -5
Jeff Hardy in 2009...but then he got high. Why Jeff...why.... In 2014 who would even be approaching him on merch sales? he is practically the sole focus of all WWE TV...... Possibilities with Jeff would have been endless if he kept his crap together.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Sept 15, 2014 10:50:42 GMT -5
In 2014 who would even be approaching him on merch sales? he is practically the sole focus of all WWE TV...... Possibilities with Jeff would have been endless if he kept his crap together. I never liked Jeff Hardy throughout his entire career, but dammit if 2008-2009 Jeff didn't make me a fan. I was totally a fan and he was the most popular guy on the roster.
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Sept 15, 2014 10:51:26 GMT -5
Jeff Hardy in 2009...but then he got high. Why Jeff...why.... In 2014 who would even be approaching him on merch sales? he is practically the sole focus of all WWE TV...... If CM Punk was around, he'd be a strong, strong number two seller. He had a t-shirt that even outsold Cena's for a month once. The merchandise pecking order for most of the last three years was Cena fairly well ahead of Punk, then a huge gap after Punk before the third guy (which would've been Sheamus usually, unless I'm forgetting someone... Ryder for a while might have been #3 actually).
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2014 10:53:09 GMT -5
Possibilities with Jeff would have been endless if he kept his crap together. I never liked Jeff Hardy throughout his entire career, but dammit if 2008-2009 Jeff didn't make me a fan. I was totally a fan and he was the most popular guy on the roster. I'll admit Jeff isn't the best on the mic, but he just got over for being Jeff. Not to mention men, women, and children cheered for him.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2014 11:00:47 GMT -5
In 2014 who would even be approaching him on merch sales? he is practically the sole focus of all WWE TV...... If CM Punk was around, he'd be a strong, strong number two seller. He had a t-shirt that even outsold Cena's for a month once. The merchandise pecking order for most of the last three years was Cena fairly well ahead of Punk, then a huge gap after Punk before the third guy (which would've been Sheamus usually, unless I'm forgetting someone... Ryder for a while might have been #3 actually). Like I say.....given who's around now in fall 2014 Its not suprising news at all. I knew Punk briefly outsold Cena but that 2 years ago too in 2011/12. I know Sheamus stuff is a good seller too and may be in the top 5 but I'm willing to bet there is a colossal difference between Cena at 1# and whoever may be at 2#.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2014 11:03:30 GMT -5
In 2014 who would even be approaching him on merch sales? he is practically the sole focus of all WWE TV...... Possibilities with Jeff would have been endless if he kept his crap together. I agree 100% man. The proof was there.....If only he had stuck around maybe Vince could've gotten him straightened out.
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Post by RybackV1 on Sept 15, 2014 11:09:32 GMT -5
You can highly doubt it from blind Cena hatred, but that doesn't make it any less true. I've no idea why you've included Swagger in that list, his shirts have been selling poorly (well the black one at least, the blue might be doing better). Cena might not be outselling everyone including Hogan combined, but he was definitely outselling everyone on the active roster combined -- that info is several weeks old though and may be from the point before the Reigns, Rollins and Ambrose individual merch launched. Cena's single-handed merchandise dominance is due to the previous #2 sellers Punk and Bryan being off TV. Yes he is. As much as you may like to imagine that Cena doesn't make the company lots of money, he does. Much more than anyone else they have. None of that is true. The company is losing money right now because of the network, but before they started spending money on the network in 2011, they were in an incredibly solid place financially. For the last several years, Cena has been getting them sponsorship deals and partnerships that they'd never have gotten without him. And they have indeed broken records over the last decade. Greatest-grossing live event they've ever done, WrestleMania 29. And WrestleManias 21, 23 and 28 all broke company PPV buy records. WrestleMania 30 was technically the most-bought/most-watched WrestleMania, too. If you think the purpose for turning someone heel is "he will be cheered a lot more" then you probably shouldn't be making the calls on the heel turns. So I'm not a big John Cena fan, but this post makes so much sense. I was going to say that WrestleMania 29 broke records and is their second or third highest attended WrestleMania I believe. And the sponsorships are hugs. It's why, when Brock Lesnar says that there would be no John Cena if he was still with the company, I'd have to disagree. I feel that Cena would be 1A or the number 2 guy at the very least because he's the prototypical guy to do all of the appearances and have the sponsorships. Brock isn't going to grant any Make-A-Wishes. Anyway, back to the topic at hand, John Cena is money, whether people like it or not. Lol if anyone truly thinks it was Cena that sold that mania and not the top Hollywood actor on the face of the earth. Look at all the other manias he's been apart of without the star power of names like Lesnar or Rock
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Sept 15, 2014 11:11:45 GMT -5
So I'm not a big John Cena fan, but this post makes so much sense. I was going to say that WrestleMania 29 broke records and is their second or third highest attended WrestleMania I believe. And the sponsorships are hugs. It's why, when Brock Lesnar says that there would be no John Cena if he was still with the company, I'd have to disagree. I feel that Cena would be 1A or the number 2 guy at the very least because he's the prototypical guy to do all of the appearances and have the sponsorships. Brock isn't going to grant any Make-A-Wishes. Anyway, back to the topic at hand, John Cena is money, whether people like it or not. Lol if anyone truly thinks it was Cena that sold that mania and not the top Hollywood actor on the face of the earth. Look at all the other manias he's been apart of without the star power of names like Lesnar or Rock Yea, I highly doubt that The Rock vs. Alberto Del Rio, The Rock vs. Ryback, The Rock vs. Mark Henry, or The Rock vs. Jack Swagger would've sold nearly as well.
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Post by Lebowski on Sept 15, 2014 11:13:01 GMT -5
Nearly as well? They would have been bombs!
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Post by johnnyb on Sept 15, 2014 11:19:06 GMT -5
The whole "should Cena turn heel when he makes so much from merch sales" conversation is a complex one... to me it's a "chicken or the egg" thing more than a black and white issue. I understand why people think there's a right and wrong answer to it, but I think the right kind of Cena heel turn (i.e. one that makes sense and has a fair amount of build to it vs. a Russo-esque swerve for the sake of the surprise) could actually be a huge boost for the company and the industry. If done the right way, you could create a handful of new babyfaces and have a lot of money-making feuds down the road that would make up for the immediate drop in merchandise sales.
Right now John Cena is 1995 Hogan: He's by far the biggest star in the industry, but wrestling as a whole isn't nearly as big as it was 10 years ago. Maybe you lose the red-and-yellow merch sales today, but if you do this right, everyone else's merch is going to sell even better a year from now.
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Post by johnnyb on Sept 15, 2014 11:28:35 GMT -5
Lol if anyone truly thinks it was Cena that sold that mania and not the top Hollywood actor on the face of the earth. Look at all the other manias he's been apart of without the star power of names like Lesnar or Rock Yea, I highly doubt that The Rock vs. Alberto Del Rio, The Rock vs. Ryback, The Rock vs. Mark Henry, or The Rock vs. Jack Swagger would've sold nearly as well. Yeah, neither would Rock vs. Slater or Rock vs. Gabriel. Way to pick the cream of the crop as your examples of "anybody but Cena". Rock vs. Orton, Rock vs. Punk, Rock vs. Triple H, Rock vs. Lesnar, Rock vs. Undertaker, Rock vs. Bryan, Rock vs. The Shield... two or three months of build (in addition to some other Cena match) and you would have gotten at least that many buys last year. Rock vs. Cena II was such a throwaway match. Honestly, I often forget it even took place and I don't remember a single detail from their WM29 match. Yeah it contributed to the overall sales, but you would have gotten more buys with something like Rock vs. Punk (if Punk had kept the WWE title until the event). To me, the rematch was almost a vanity project for Cena, who always needs to get his win back. I know Rocky was game for it and that it was the plan all along, but nothing about the rematch felt special and I think it's going to go down as one of the least memorable main events in Wrestlemania history.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Sept 15, 2014 11:31:31 GMT -5
Yea, I highly doubt that The Rock vs. Alberto Del Rio, The Rock vs. Ryback, The Rock vs. Mark Henry, or The Rock vs. Jack Swagger would've sold nearly as well. Yeah, neither would Rock vs. Slater or Rock vs. Gabriel. Way to pick the cream of the crop as your examples of "anybody but Cena". Rock vs. Orton, Rock vs. Punk, Rock vs. Triple H, Rock vs. Lesnar, Rock vs. Undertaker, Rock vs. Bryan, Rock vs. The Shield... two or three months of build (in addition to some other Cena match) and you would have gotten at least that many buys last year. Rock vs. Cena II was such a throwaway match. Honestly, I often forget it even took place and I don't remember a single detail from their WM29 match. Yeah it contributed to the overall sales, but you would have gotten more buys with something like Rock vs. Punk (if Punk had kept the WWE title until the event). To me, the rematch was almost a vanity project for Cena, who always needs to get his win back. I know Rocky was game for it and that it was the plan all along, but nothing about the rematch felt special and I think it's going to go down as one of the least memorable main events in Wrestlemania history. Oh, I know that there were other guys who could've produced a huge buyrate. I still say it should have been Rock/Cena/Punk. My point was that "LOL if you think that Cena truly sold WrestleMania and not the biggest star in Hollywood" was incorrect. The Rock couldn't just produce that buyrate on his own. It has to be with someone else who is marketable, like a John Cena or the guys you mentioned. I'm saying that acting like Cena had nothing to do with it is absurd.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Sept 15, 2014 11:32:59 GMT -5
Yea, I highly doubt that The Rock vs. Alberto Del Rio, The Rock vs. Ryback, The Rock vs. Mark Henry, or The Rock vs. Jack Swagger would've sold nearly as well. Yeah, neither would Rock vs. Slater or Rock vs. Gabriel. Way to pick the cream of the crop as your examples of "anybody but Cena". Rock vs. Orton, Rock vs. Punk, Rock vs. Triple H, Rock vs. Lesnar, Rock vs. Undertaker, Rock vs. Bryan, Rock vs. The Shield... two or three months of build (in addition to some other Cena match) and you would have gotten at least that many buys last year. Rock vs. Cena II was such a throwaway match. Honestly, I often forget it even took place and I don't remember a single detail from their WM29 match. Yeah it contributed to the overall sales, but you would have gotten more buys with something like Rock vs. Punk (if Punk had kept the WWE title until the event). To me, the rematch was almost a vanity project for Cena, who always needs to get his win back. I know Rocky was game for it and that it was the plan all along, but nothing about the rematch felt special and I think it's going to go down as one of the least memorable main events in Wrestlemania history. Also, the four guys I mentioned were in two of the other matches at WrestleMania. The World Title match and Ryback/Henry.
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