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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2014 14:52:52 GMT -5
Well, Austin drew more than Hogan ever did. Austin>Hogan This is 100% false. But that's cool. As I've been telling people for 30+ years... Hulk Hogan tells more stories than Mother Goose. 30+ years? Sounds like someone else is stretching the truth... There was a thread about who is better between Austin and Hogan and some of our fellow board members were breaking out "statistical facts" and stats and calculations and alogorthyms and the death Star and crystal methamphetamine to prove that they were correct.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2014 14:54:54 GMT -5
Ah Hogan....spewing his crap again. Totally still butthurt because Austin's reaction at WM30 blew his away......it was easily 3 times as loud.
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Post by johnnyb on Sept 15, 2014 15:04:51 GMT -5
This is 100% false. But that's cool. 30+ years? Sounds like someone else is stretching the truth... Inflation brother, AE drew more than any era I'm pretty sure. Austin is the reason we have WWE today. So much to unpack there... - What is the start and end date of the Attitude Era? And was Austin even that much bigger a factor than The Rock, who's probably closer to Austin than Austin is to Hogan?
- How do you measure the success? Gross dollars? Net dollars? Growth?
- The Attitude Era wouldn't have happened if Hogan didn't almost single-handedly (in terms of on-air performers) create modern mainstream pro wrestling in the 80s. Don't forget that Hogan and the nWo also jumpstarted the popularity of mid-90s wrestling.
- Or that Austin was only top dog in WWF/WWE for these years: 1998, 1999, 2001, 2002. Four years. Hogan was, without question, the #1 global draw in wrestling from at least 1984-1990, and 1996-97 as well.
- Hogan was also unquestionably a bigger star than Austin during his 2002 comeback. Crushed Austin in merch sales as red & yellow Hogan (not to mention that the nWo shirt was the #1 selling shirt in 2002 as well).
If you're talking "in total unadjusted dollars, who made more in any single year" then the answer is probably Austin in 1998 or 1999. But over their entire careers (which is how this should be measured, without a doubt) there's no way Austin has sold more tickets or made more money than Hulk Hogan. I don't think we'll ever have exact or even approximate numbers to quantify either man's entire impact on the industry, but I don't consider Austin to be in Hogan's league. Wrestling hierarchy (in terms of historical influence and impact on the industry) is really Hogan in the top tier by himself, and then Austin and about five other guys on the second tier.
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Post by mrbiggs on Sept 15, 2014 15:08:45 GMT -5
But he bodyslammed the 9 foot tall, 700 pound Andre The Giant in front of a million people at the Silverdome dude single handedly ending all wars... Brother! ... Hogan is delirious. Not only did Hogan Slam Andre, but to hear him tell it... "I tell ya brother... When I lifted him up and pressed the giant over my head..." Yeah right! lol
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Post by marino13 on Sept 15, 2014 15:08:51 GMT -5
Well, Austin drew more than Hogan ever did. Austin>Hogan This is 100% false. But that's cool. As I've been telling people for 30+ years... Hulk Hogan tells more stories than Mother Goose. 30+ years? Sounds like someone else is stretching the truth... I'm 37 as of today. I've been watching wrestling since I was a kid. I've never been a Hulk Hogan fan. Maybe 28+ would have been more accurate, but I guess I rounded up. So sue me.
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Post by rustyy on Sept 15, 2014 15:12:41 GMT -5
This is 100% false. But that's cool. 30+ years? Sounds like someone else is stretching the truth... There was a thread about who is better between Austin and Hogan and some of our fellow board members were breaking out "statistical facts" and stats and calculations and alogorthyms and the death Star and crystal methamphetamine to prove that they were correct. And how else do you prove something? By posting opinions and making things up? No. You post facts. That's how debates work.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2014 15:19:13 GMT -5
There was a thread about who is better between Austin and Hogan and some of our fellow board members were breaking out "statistical facts" and stats and calculations and alogorthyms and the death Star and crystal methamphetamine to prove that they were correct. And how else do you prove something? By posting opinions and making things up? No. You post facts. That's how debates work. All hail the great Rustyy with two y's
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Post by mrbiggs on Sept 15, 2014 15:20:10 GMT -5
Not only that, but does anyone out there remember the HOF Ceremony at WM... I can't remember what year it was, sorry... But Austin and Hogan were both on it. I know Austin was inducting someone into the HOF (Again, my memory has let me down), but Austin came out to do his thing and talked about how he had been looking for something in the back and couldn't find it, but he did find a big can of whoop ass with Hulk Hogan's name all over it!? I remember Austin turning and flashing Hogan a grin and when the camera hit Hogan's face, the goof looked like he was going to cry! lol I guess the "mighty in his own mind" Hogan couldn't believe someone had the audacity to put him in his place and make him look like the washed up has been he has been for YEARS now! I guess I am going to end my rant by saying that whether you like Hogan or Austin better, that's your pinion and you have the right to it. I respect it, but I (again, in my opinion) think that Austin is better than Hogan. I have watched wrestling all of my life, over 30 years now, and I have to say that Austin is the better performer. Let's face it, neither one is spectacular in the ring, but Austin made me turn away from Nitro on Monday nights just to hear him talk and watch his antics in the ring. Hogan was even boring with a mic when he was in the NWO, and that was the best he had ever been. When wrestling went from "Real" to entertainment, I think abilities with the mic and in front of a camera came into the spotlight and Hogan could never catch up. Star like the Austin, the Rock, even DX took it and ran with it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2014 15:24:45 GMT -5
When I went to RAW in Houston, videos of Austin got bigger cheers than 90% of the roster.
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Sept 15, 2014 15:27:08 GMT -5
If you're talking "in total unadjusted dollars, who made more in any single year" then the answer is probably Austin in 1998 or 1999. But over their entire careers (which is how this should be measured, without a doubt) there's no way Austin has sold more tickets or made more money than Hulk Hogan. Across their entire careers, Hogan sold more tickets than Austin and Austin brought more revenue than Hogan. Hogan was a big ticket seller for most of the eighties (average 10,000 attendance) and Austin only had about three years on top (average 14,000 attendance). As far as money, the WWF in '98-99 made more money than it did during the entire Hogan era combined. There are various mitigating factors for both -- credit given to their supporting players (Piper, Savage, Rock, DX etc), the different sized entrance sets, the different cable/TV circumstances etc. But like every time this thread comes up, most people just pick their favourite and pretend that guy outdid the other at everything.
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Post by rustyy on Sept 15, 2014 15:30:24 GMT -5
And how else do you prove something? By posting opinions and making things up? No. You post facts. That's how debates work. All hail the great Rustyy with two y's Yeah, hail me. Because you can't actually think of a rebuttal due to me being right.
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Post by johnnyb on Sept 15, 2014 15:37:09 GMT -5
If you're talking "in total unadjusted dollars, who made more in any single year" then the answer is probably Austin in 1998 or 1999. But over their entire careers (which is how this should be measured, without a doubt) there's no way Austin has sold more tickets or made more money than Hulk Hogan. Across their entire careers, Hogan sold more tickets than Austin and Austin brought more revenue than Hogan. Hogan was a big ticket seller for most of the eighties (average 10,000 attendance) and Austin only had about three years on top (average 14,000 attendance). As far as money, the WWF in '98-99 made more money than it did during the entire Hogan era combined.There are various mitigating factors for both -- credit given to their supporting players (Piper, Savage, Rock, DX etc), the different sized entrance sets, the different cable/TV circumstances etc. But like every time this thread comes up, most people just pick their favourite and pretend that guy outdid the other at everything. Maybe in gross, unadjusted dollars. I'd have to see actual numbers to back this up. I rate this a half truth.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2014 15:38:27 GMT -5
All hail the great Rustyy with two y's Yeah, hail me. Because you can't actually think of a rebuttal due to me being right. No, I actually don't like seeing your name on my notification screen so I was hoping you wouldn't quote me anymore by way of me being a bunghole.
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Post by rustyy on Sept 15, 2014 15:44:42 GMT -5
Yeah, hail me. Because you can't actually think of a rebuttal due to me being right. No, I actually don't like seeing your name on my notification screen so I was hoping you wouldn't quote me anymore by way of me being a bunghole. Then block me lol. Very simple. Besides, even if you wanted to you don't have any argument.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2014 15:48:00 GMT -5
No, I actually don't like seeing your name on my notification screen so I was hoping you wouldn't quote me anymore by way of me being a bunghole. Then block me lol. Very simple. Besides, even if you wanted to you don't have any argument. If I wanted to, I could. Because I can Google stuff just like anybody else. But I don't care that much to be right all the time like you do.
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Post by johnnyb on Sept 15, 2014 15:48:30 GMT -5
Just something of an aside here, if the numbers don't agree with this then maybe I won't either, but I think a lot of the "Austin was a bigger draw than Hogan" is accepted as fact, as spoken by the WWF through a lens, at the time that Austin was their top draw (which coincided with Hogan's second big run on top with the nWo). Just like the Monday Night Wars documentaries, it's very interesting to hear perspectives on it, but when the WWF/WWE won the war, their the ones writing the history books. If we don't actually see how the math checks out, I'd be very dubious of any claims made by WWE during or immediately after the Monday Night Wars.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2014 15:48:45 GMT -5
This is 100% false. But that's cool. 30+ years? Sounds like someone else is stretching the truth... Inflation brother, AE drew more than any era I'm pretty sure. Austin is the reason we have WWE today. Inflation doesn't change how many people are in the building. 10,000 people in 1988 is the same as 10,000 people in 1998. Also--weren't you the same guy who complained about me saying Rock drew more than Punk and said that bringing up who drew more is silly unless you're a shareholder in WWE?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2014 15:49:48 GMT -5
Yeah Austin would have FOR SURE been booed. If The Rock got booed, then so would have Austin. If they'd wrestled in 2002 in Hogan's first big match back in the WWF, Austin (who everyone saw every week) would have been booed. Nowadays, not so much. I really don't think Austin would have been boo'd. Maybe by a few, but not as much as Hogan lovers would think. Austin always received a huge pop, and even to this day, when they even mention his name on tv, he gets a huge reaction. When was the last time you heard an in ring interview or promo that you didn't hear "What" at least a dozen times. Hell, even on ROH and TNA... Many times on the latter when Hogan was the one in the ring doing the talking?!
I read that as huge erection.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2014 15:50:36 GMT -5
Inflation brother, AE drew more than any era I'm pretty sure. Austin is the reason we have WWE today. Inflation doesn't change how many people are in the building. 10,000 people in 1988 is the same as 10,000 people in 1998. Also--weren't you the same guy who complained about me saying Rock drew more than Punk and said that bringing up who drew more is silly unless you're a shareholder in WWE? I wanna like this 1,000 times
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2014 15:52:27 GMT -5
If you're talking "in total unadjusted dollars, who made more in any single year" then the answer is probably Austin in 1998 or 1999. But over their entire careers (which is how this should be measured, without a doubt) there's no way Austin has sold more tickets or made more money than Hulk Hogan. Across their entire careers, Hogan sold more tickets than Austin and Austin brought more revenue than Hogan. Hogan was a big ticket seller for most of the eighties (average 10,000 attendance) and Austin only had about three years on top (average 14,000 attendance). As far as money, the WWF in '98-99 made more money than it did during the entire Hogan era combined. There are various mitigating factors for both -- credit given to their supporting players (Piper, Savage, Rock, DX etc), the different sized entrance sets, the different cable/TV circumstances etc. But like every time this thread comes up, most people just pick their favourite and pretend that guy outdid the other at everything.Pretty much.
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