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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2014 14:58:23 GMT -5
So then build them on raw, have a draft and send them to a revamped Thursday night Smackdown, problem solved. If WWE can build enough stars to carry a three-hour show and enough new stars to separately carry a two-hour show, and get SyFy to actually go through with a Thursday move, then they'll do it. Thing is, building new stars isn't as easy as people on the Internet think it is. You mean it's not as simple as just smash the guys the internet likes over and then they'll be over with the fans?!
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Post by rustyy on Oct 1, 2014 15:01:46 GMT -5
So then build them on raw, have a draft and send them to a revamped Thursday night Smackdown, problem solved. If WWE can build enough stars to carry a three-hour show and enough new stars to separately carry a two-hour show, and get SyFy to actually go through with a Thursday move, then they'll do it. Thing is, building new stars isn't as easy as people on the Internet think it is. Well, in the last few years we could have had, Barrett, Wyatt, sandow, Rhodes, sheamus, Russev with a better gimmick, Ryback, ambrose, Miz and ziggler. It's easy but most of those people have either been fed to Cena or other veterans, or had their push stopped for no apparent reason other than vince is tired of them.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2014 15:28:43 GMT -5
If WWE can build enough stars to carry a three-hour show and enough new stars to separately carry a two-hour show, and get SyFy to actually go through with a Thursday move, then they'll do it. Thing is, building new stars isn't as easy as people on the Internet think it is. Well, in the last few years we could have had, Barrett, Wyatt, sandow, Rhodes, sheamus, Russev with a better gimmick, Ryback, ambrose, Miz and ziggler. It's easy but most of those people have either been fed to Cena or other veterans, or had their push stopped for no apparent reason other than vince is tired of them. His push hasn't stopped, he hasn't been fed to Cena and Vince isn't tired of him. Stop acting like Ambrose is on the same level as Kofi Kingston, you're insulting your own intelligence and the intelligence of everyone on here.
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Oct 1, 2014 15:29:59 GMT -5
If WWE can build enough stars to carry a three-hour show and enough new stars to separately carry a two-hour show, and get SyFy to actually go through with a Thursday move, then they'll do it. Thing is, building new stars isn't as easy as people on the Internet think it is. You mean it's not as simple as just smash the guys the internet likes over and then they'll be over with the fans?! Now you mention it... If WWE had the sense to take those guys, turn them all heel -- but not those cowardly cheating kind of heels, more like the heroic, brave, fair-fighting kind of heels -- and have them win every match.... We'd be living through a new boom period in no time.
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Oct 1, 2014 15:30:43 GMT -5
Well, in the last few years we could have had, Barrett, Wyatt, sandow, Rhodes, sheamus, Russev with a better gimmick, Ryback, ambrose, Miz and ziggler. It's easy but most of those people have either been fed to Cena or other veterans, or had their push stopped for no apparent reason other than vince is tired of them. His push hasn't stopped, he hasn't been fed to Cena and Vince isn't tired of him. Stop acting like Ambrose is on the same level as Kofi Kingston, you're insulting your own intelligence and the intelligence of everyone on here. He's only really insulting his own. I think the nonsense about Ambrose being buried just makes everyone else laugh.
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Post by rustyy on Oct 1, 2014 15:30:56 GMT -5
Well, in the last few years we could have had, Barrett, Wyatt, sandow, Rhodes, sheamus, Russev with a better gimmick, Ryback, ambrose, Miz and ziggler. It's easy but most of those people have either been fed to Cena or other veterans, or had their push stopped for no apparent reason other than vince is tired of them. His push hasn't stopped, he hasn't been fed to Cena and Vince isn't tired of him. Stop acting like Ambrose is on the same level as Kofi Kingston, you're insulting your own intelligence and the intelligence of everyone on here. If the plan for hell in a cell is true, were a couple weeks away from Ambrose being added to the Cena list. I don't trust WWE with actual talent, there track record is awful. I swear some of you people just act like I make this stuff up and they don't have a history of burying talented people. And you guys know I'm right about every single other person on that list.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2014 15:35:30 GMT -5
His push hasn't stopped, he hasn't been fed to Cena and Vince isn't tired of him. Stop acting like Ambrose is on the same level as Kofi Kingston, you're insulting your own intelligence and the intelligence of everyone on here. If the plan for hell in a cell is true, were a couple weeks away from Ambrose being added to the Cena list. I don't trust WWE with actual talent, there track record is awful. I swear some of you people just act like I make this stuff up and they don't have a history of burying talented people. You don't know if he'll be added to the list. He could end up not being the guy taking the fall if that ends up as a four way match and even if he does, it doesn't hurt him to anyone but the internet fans who think losing to the top guy = a burial. Hogan buried DiBiase, Savage and Andre to listen to how some of you people act regarding losing to the top star in the company. I swear you act like they "bury" every talented person that's ever set foot in the company.
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Post by rustyy on Oct 1, 2014 15:41:00 GMT -5
If the plan for hell in a cell is true, were a couple weeks away from Ambrose being added to the Cena list. I don't trust WWE with actual talent, there track record is awful. I swear some of you people just act like I make this stuff up and they don't have a history of burying talented people. You don't know if he'll be added to the list. He could end up not being the guy taking the fall if that ends up as a four way match and even if he does, it doesn't hurt him to anyone but the internet fans who think losing to the top guy = a burial. Hogan buried DiBiase, Savage and Andre to listen to how some of you people act regarding losing to the top star in the company. I swear you act like they "bury" every talented person that's ever set foot in the company. No, I don't act like anything. Cena buries people, you're blind if you deny that. Look at Wade Barrett, debut as the hottest heel in the world, faces off for the WWE title in his first year, faces Cena and has been lower/mid card ever since. Or we can talk about Sandow, or Wyatt. Both face for titles/are dominant and after they come out looking about 10 times worse than before, Cena's goal as a top guy is to make others look good even in defeat. What would give me the idea that Ambrose would go over Cena? Really, anything? Because his track record is not very good with up and coming talent.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2014 15:49:18 GMT -5
You don't know if he'll be added to the list. He could end up not being the guy taking the fall if that ends up as a four way match and even if he does, it doesn't hurt him to anyone but the internet fans who think losing to the top guy = a burial. Hogan buried DiBiase, Savage and Andre to listen to how some of you people act regarding losing to the top star in the company. I swear you act like they "bury" every talented person that's ever set foot in the company. No, I don't act like anything. Cena buries people, you're blind if you deny that. Look at Wade Barrett, debut as the hottest heel in the world, faces off for the WWE title in his first year, faces Cena and has been lower/mid card ever since. Or we can talk about Sandow, or Wyatt. Both face for titles/are dominant and after they come out looking about 10 times worse than before, Cena's goal as a top guy is to make others look good even in defeat. What would give me the idea that Ambrose would go over Cena? Really, anything? Because his track record is not very good with up and coming talent. The booking of Barrett can largely go back to the program with Cena, but him constantly losing out against Orton doesn't help him either. Sandow was never going to be a huge deal, despite winning MITB. Wyatt didn't need to win the feud with Cena, but he certainly could have come out of it looking better. I've said a number of times how much I hated the finish to Extreme Rules. Even if he had won in a more convincing fashion, Jericho was still his next destination. He'd be in the same spot he is right now, he'd just have the benefit of looking a bit better against Cena. Wyatt will be fine, the character is something people want to see and that's enough to keep him around as long as he has good material. And both faced for titles? No, one of them did and it was Sandow. Wyatt never challenged for a title prior to the matches with Cena, only after (MITB). A dominant heel going into a program with the top babyface and losing is common practice in wrestling. re: - "Cena's goal as a top guy is to make others look good even in defeat." Like he did with Cesaro on RAW in February. Oh wait, Cesaro didn't win the World Title right after that happened so he's been buried. Putting Cesaro with Heyman killed him more than looking like a threat against Cena ever would have. re: Ambrose - He doesn't HAVE to go over Cena in that match. His main issue is with Rollins. That's who he should pin if the four way happens and he ends up the winner. Ambrose could win, finish off that conflict with Rollins and move on.
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Post by sitruC on Oct 1, 2014 15:54:59 GMT -5
Yes it currently is.
An example is the flag business, they're trying to be edgy doing it only to apologise straight after.
I honestly believe it's down to lazy booking, since there's no competition all they really have to do is produce a show once a week of any quality, I can't really blame them either.
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Post by rustyy on Oct 1, 2014 16:04:49 GMT -5
No, I don't act like anything. Cena buries people, you're blind if you deny that. Look at Wade Barrett, debut as the hottest heel in the world, faces off for the WWE title in his first year, faces Cena and has been lower/mid card ever since. Or we can talk about Sandow, or Wyatt. Both face for titles/are dominant and after they come out looking about 10 times worse than before, Cena's goal as a top guy is to make others look good even in defeat. What would give me the idea that Ambrose would go over Cena? Really, anything? Because his track record is not very good with up and coming talent. The booking of Barrett can largely go back to the program with Cena, but him constantly losing out against Orton doesn't help him either. Sandow was never going to be a huge deal, despite winning MITB. Wyatt didn't need to win the feud with Cena, but he certainly could have come out of it looking better. I've said a number of times how much I hated the finish to Extreme Rules. Even if he had won in a more convincing fashion, Jericho was still his next destination. He'd be in the same spot he is right now, he'd just have the benefit of looking a bit better against Cena. Wyatt will be fine, the character is something people want to see and that's enough to keep him around as long as he has good material. And both faced for titles? No, one of them did and it was Sandow. Wyatt never challenged for a title prior to the matches with Cena, only after (MITB). A dominant heel going into a program with the top babyface and losing is common practice in wrestling. re: - "Cena's goal as a top guy is to make others look good even in defeat." Like he did with Cesaro on RAW in February. Oh wait, Cesaro didn't win the World Title right after that happened so he's been buried. Putting Cesaro with Heyman killed him more than looking like a threat against Cena ever would have. re: Ambrose - He doesn't HAVE to go over Cena in that match. His main issue is with Rollins. That's who he should pin if the four way happens and he ends up the winner. Ambrose could win, finish off that conflict with Rollins and move on. The babyface can go over in the end but the heel should still look like a threat. Which they don't after Cena man handled 3 monster heels consistently. If Barrett never lost to Cena the Nexus would have still been a thing and he could have been world champion, he was so over it was ridiculous. That was a defining moment of the PG era when they debuted, but instead of capitalizing on it, we got CENAWINSLOL. Sandow should have beaten Del Rio, then got beat by Cena, at least then I'd be happy. Sandow gets to be world champ, no one could take that away from him, instead now he's playing sidekick to Miz, they should get an NXT guy to do that, not someone with so much talent. Wyatt, is just too good for modern day Vince, he doesn't know how to handle him, he should be the new Undertaker like persona but instead they'll probably break up the family and they'll all be released/become jobbers. That's one person, that doesn't make up for the infinitely more talented people he has buried in the last few years. Heyman and booking killed Cesaro, I'll give you that. The plan I read was Cena/Ambrose winner faces Rollins in the cell and loser faces Orton. I haven't read any reports lately, have they changed? If so, that makes me a little happier because the scenario I heard was for sure a negative one.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2014 16:25:00 GMT -5
The babyface can go over in the end but the heel should still look like a threat. Which they don't after Cena man handled 3 monster heels consistently. If Barrett never lost to Cena the Nexus would have still been a thing and he could have been world champion, he was so over it was ridiculous. That was a defining moment of the PG era when they debuted, but instead of capitalizing on it, we got CENAWINSLOL. Sandow should have beaten Del Rio, then got beat by Cena, at least then I'd be happy. Sandow gets to be world champ, no one could take that away from him, instead now he's playing sidekick to Miz, they should get an NXT guy to do that, not someone with so much talent. Wyatt, is just too good for modern day Vince, he doesn't know how to handle him, he should be the new Undertaker like persona but instead they'll probably break up the family and they'll all be released/become jobbers. It indeed was a defining era for the PG era...and not in a good way at all. That's one person, that doesn't make up for the infinitely more talented people he has buried in the last few years. Heyman and booking killed Cesaro, I'll give you that. Never said it did. The plan I read was Cena/Ambrose winner faces Rollins in the cell and loser faces Orton. I haven't read any reports lately, have they changed? If so, that makes me a little happier because the scenario I heard was for sure a negative one. I read today they were looking at a four way with Orton/Ambrose/Rollins/Cena. Though, I figured if they did a Cena/Ambrose match, Orton starts to turn babyface by giving Ambrose the win so Cena goes after Orton and Ambrose gets his shot at Rollins. Cena doesn't lose clean, he has a reason to face Orton again and we'd get the Cell match everyone wants. They could also do the same thing but with Orton helping Cena but that would make no sense whatsoever.
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Post by rustyy on Oct 1, 2014 16:30:26 GMT -5
The babyface can go over in the end but the heel should still look like a threat. Which they don't after Cena man handled 3 monster heels consistently. If Barrett never lost to Cena the Nexus would have still been a thing and he could have been world champion, he was so over it was ridiculous. That was a defining moment of the PG era when they debuted, but instead of capitalizing on it, we got CENAWINSLOL. Sandow should have beaten Del Rio, then got beat by Cena, at least then I'd be happy. Sandow gets to be world champ, no one could take that away from him, instead now he's playing sidekick to Miz, they should get an NXT guy to do that, not someone with so much talent. Wyatt, is just too good for modern day Vince, he doesn't know how to handle him, he should be the new Undertaker like persona but instead they'll probably break up the family and they'll all be released/become jobbers. It indeed was a defining era for the PG era...and not in a good way at all. That's one person, that doesn't make up for the infinitely more talented people he has buried in the last few years. Heyman and booking killed Cesaro, I'll give you that. Never said it did. The plan I read was Cena/Ambrose winner faces Rollins in the cell and loser faces Orton. I haven't read any reports lately, have they changed? If so, that makes me a little happier because the scenario I heard was for sure a negative one. I read today they were looking at a four way with Orton/Ambrose/Rollins/Cena. Though, I figured if they did a Cena/Ambrose match, Orton starts to turn babyface by giving Ambrose the win so Cena goes after Orton and Ambrose gets his shot at Rollins. Cena doesn't lose clean, he has a reason to face Orton again and we'd get the Cell match everyone wants. They could also do the same thing but with Orton helping Cena but that would make no sense whatsoever. I meant their debut, which was a great way to debut and could have lead to great things. Mostly for Barrett, really didn't care about anyone else in Nexus besides Gabriel, but I really enjoy the high flying style. I hadn't read that, so that does come as a plesant surprise but I still don't really trust them. Although, I could bank on the fact WWE can't resist a Cena/Orton one on one match, but if Ambrose/Rollins actually does happen than it should main event the show. There is a new video on WWE's YouTube where Cena swears his revenge on Rollins, that makes me feel like they are gonna do Rollins/Cena and Ambrose/Orton. I'll settle for the fourway, but Rollins/Ambrose can't end like that, that would be the worst end to a feud in a long time.
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