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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2014 13:27:56 GMT -5
Cesaro's lack of a push is more his fault than anything. He has great matches and in-ring ability, but there's nothing about him that makes him marketable. He can't get heat as a heel, nor can he get the big face pops. He can't connect with the audience, at least not yet, like he needs to. Sandow is more over now than he was with the briefcase. You cannot compare Ambrose to either of those guys. Ambrose is insanely over and has the "it" factor that both Sandow and Cesaro lack. Even if Ambrose were to lose to Cena, it won't leave him floundering. Cesaro was insanely over too. May lack the "it" factor, but what does Bobby Roode have to do with this? Also, side note: Weren't people afraid that Dean Ambrose would be forgotten about after the Shield Breakup? I believe that Rollins and Ambrose have had more air time and more of a direct angle than anyone on the roster right now, and Ambrose is being made to look like a star. Cesaro was never crazy over. He never consistently got a reaction. Wrestlemania and the Raw after don't count, otherwise Fandango would be a world champ by now. Bobby Roode uses that nickname? That's terrible. Some people were afraid of Ambrose getting lost in the shuffle, but it's pretty obvious that's not happening.
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Post by BrIaNMeRcY on Oct 1, 2014 13:35:17 GMT -5
If Cena wasn't involved, what exactly can he do at the moment? There isn't a slew of guys he can have a short term program with. In the process, Dean Ambrose can get the rub from Cena to make him look like a bigger deal. Are you willing to donate some funds to give the WWE to pay to see Lesnar appear more often? I'd think not. The WWE is trying to use Lesnar sparingly because the more they use him, the more $$$ they have to pay him. Lesnar should be used as special attraction, not like another guy on the roster. I subscribe to the Network even though I only watch NXT and a couple PPV's a month. I think the numbers for HiaC would be better with Lesnar involved, which leads to higher profit. A profit? Are you kidding me? The WWE Network is operating at a loss right now. As of June 30th, 2014, the WWE has not reached their break even point with the network. As of those ordering on PPV, the WWE only gets $21 out of the $54.95 for domestic buys.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2014 14:43:29 GMT -5
You can not build up the Ambrose vs Rollins feud for months and not give us the big payoff. Name something WWE has done in recent years that gave us a big payoff we all were hoping for? WWE's game plan has been to turn the gun around and shoot themselves in the face and then ask questions later.
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Post by marino13 on Oct 1, 2014 15:04:12 GMT -5
You can not build up the Ambrose vs Rollins feud for months and not give us the big payoff. Name something WWE has done in recent years that gave us a big payoff we all were hoping for?
WWE's game plan has been to turn the gun around and shoot themselves in the face and then ask questions later. Ok sure....
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2014 15:24:37 GMT -5
Name something WWE has done in recent years that gave us a big payoff we all were hoping for?
WWE's game plan has been to turn the gun around and shoot themselves in the face and then ask questions later. Ok sure.... How many months did it take for that to pay off? The build up beginning at Summer Slam 2013 to Royal Rumble 2014 was incredibly annoying and fits perfectly with how WWE doesn't know how to build up and execute properly. It was just annoying let down after annoying let down. If the Universe didn't boo Rey Mysterio like they did as entry #30, he absolutely would not have been shoe-horned into the main event at WMXXX (and I'm saying this as the biggest D Bry fan.) I sincerely and highly doubt that WWE had the knowledge or insight before hand that they were going to build him up to a WrestleMania win like that? To me it felt like they were just attempting to please the Universe. My whole argument is that creative can't come up with these things organically and blows all their potential. Was DBry winning WMXXX what we wanted? Yes. Was it in the cards way in advance? Highly doubtful.
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Post by marino13 on Oct 1, 2014 15:25:44 GMT -5
Ok sure.... How many months did it take for that to pay off? The build up beginning at Summer Slam 2013 to Royal Rumble 2014 was incredibly annoying and fits perfectly with how WWE doesn't know how to build up and execute properly. It was just annoying let down after annoying let down. If the Universe didn't boo Rey Mysterio like they did as entry #30, he absolutely would not have been shoe-horned into the main event at WMXXX (and I'm saying this as the biggest D Bry fan.) I sincerely and highly doubt that WWE had the knowledge or insight before hand that they were going to build him up to a WrestleMania win like that? To me it felt like they were just attempting to please the Universe. My whole argument is that creative can't come up with these things organically and blows all their potential. Was DBry winning WMXXX what we wanted? Yes. Was it in the cards way in advance? Highly doubtful. Don't know. Don't pretend to. But I enjoyed it thoroughly. All of it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2014 15:30:03 GMT -5
How many months did it take for that to pay off? The build up beginning at Summer Slam 2013 to Royal Rumble 2014 was incredibly annoying and fits perfectly with how WWE doesn't know how to build up and execute properly. It was just annoying let down after annoying let down. If the Universe didn't boo Rey Mysterio like they did as entry #30, he absolutely would not have been shoe-horned into the main event at WMXXX (and I'm saying this as the biggest D Bry fan.) I sincerely and highly doubt that WWE had the knowledge or insight before hand that they were going to build him up to a WrestleMania win like that? To me it felt like they were just attempting to please the Universe. My whole argument is that creative can't come up with these things organically and blows all their potential. Was DBry winning WMXXX what we wanted? Yes. Was it in the cards way in advance? Highly doubtful. Don't know. Don't pretend to. But I enjoyed it thoroughly. All of it. Believe me, I was very satisfied with WMXXX, but that eight/nine month build up was just awful.
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Post by marino13 on Oct 1, 2014 15:37:06 GMT -5
Don't know. Don't pretend to. But I enjoyed it thoroughly. All of it. Believe me, I was very satisfied with WMXXX, but that eight/nine month build up was just awful. I enjoyed that too.
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Oct 1, 2014 18:16:55 GMT -5
Isn't it rumored Orton's going babyface? Maybe he does some crap to give Ambrose the shot at Rollins that they've been staving off. you believe that then come hell in a cell when Cena wins. I will be here to say I told you so. I enjoyed how quiet you were after you spammed the board telling everyone Cena was winning at SummerSlam and Michael Cole would be cheering or whatever. You weren't here to say you told us so that time. go watch wrestle mania when he throws Big show out of the ring to win the Andre the giant battle royal. and still say he can't get a reaction. Yes, that time he picked up a giant over his head is indicative of his day-in day-out ability to get a reaction. Lol.
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Oct 1, 2014 18:19:40 GMT -5
Ok sure.... How many months did it take for that to pay off? Enough months for it to happen on the grandest stage of all.
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Post by Daria on Oct 1, 2014 18:36:17 GMT -5
What's going on with the www title?
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Post by ICW on Oct 1, 2014 19:00:55 GMT -5
It's amazing that they could actually up this Ambrose/Rollins feud because Cena needs an opponent. Ugh x100
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Post by cordless2016 on Oct 1, 2014 19:28:29 GMT -5
Considering how weak the main event is right now one would think the WWE would put Cena with someone who isn't in the main event and could use a program with Cena to gain momentum. Dean and Seth don't need Cena to get over. They are both already the best things going in the WWE. Put Cena with someone like Cesaro who could use a boost in the arm. Put him in a short feud with Wyatt and let Bray finally get the big win he didn't get earlier this year. Hell they could stop jerking around with Rusev and put him with Cena and see where it goes. This way they build three guys instead of two guys having their momentum slowed to work a weak program with Cena. But this would also be thinking logically.
The main reason I'm worrying about Cena being placed with Dean and Seth is because Cena is coming off of two massive beat downs from Brock. Cena has never looked near as vulnerable and human as he did against Brock. We all saw what happened to Bray before that Cena/Brock feud, so imagine how dominant the WWE will push Cena coming off of those matches. The WWE will likely want to push Cena strong for a while to build his momentum back and I fear Dean and Seth will suffer for it like so many guys in the past have.
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Post by #DI-WHY? on Oct 1, 2014 20:41:07 GMT -5
Guys, expect this.
Whenever WWE sees we like something they try to insert Cena to make us like him too. So whenever something is actually good, expect Cena to show up.
Also, don't expect him to deny either! Cena LOVES burying new talents.
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Post by HVMMONS on Oct 2, 2014 1:08:17 GMT -5
I hope Ambrose goes over Cena to face Rollins at HIAC by some distraction by whoever. In my perfect world I would have Dean demolish on Cena just like Brock did, but we know on this green earth, that will never happen anytime soon.
I can live through another pointless Cena/Orton match. Actually, I'll just use that match as my piss break.
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Post by Rob on Oct 2, 2014 1:49:07 GMT -5
Ambrose has to fight and win a match against Cena in order to have a match with a guy who stomped his head through cinder blocks? Why cant they have Cena sit out a ing PPV for once if there is nothing for him to do? This is WWE booking at its finest in 2014. This is what happens when you put the belt on someone who wrestles once every 4 months. Stupid WWE is stupid.
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Post by adzy on Oct 2, 2014 2:05:27 GMT -5
The Wrestling Observer Newsletter reports that the current plan is for Hell In a Cell to start with Cena vs. Ambrose. The winner of that would main event the show with Rollins in the Cell and the loser would face Orton, also in the Cell."Source: Lords of Pain Randy gets annoyed because he has to fight a 'loser' and starts his face turn by attacking Seth in his match?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2014 2:32:24 GMT -5
I never thought I'd say this but come on Cena Vs Orton.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2014 7:51:30 GMT -5
How many months did it take for that to pay off? Enough months for it to happen on the grandest stage of all. You're OK with with nine plus months of no direction story lines / annoying story lines / shoe-horned story lines so long as there's a pay off at WrestleMania? I wish I had your patience.
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Oct 2, 2014 8:30:16 GMT -5
Enough months for it to happen on the grandest stage of all. You're OK with with nine plus months of no direction story lines / annoying story lines / shoe-horned story lines so long as there's a pay off at WrestleMania? I wish I had your patience. You whined about WWE not doing long-term payoffs, and then when someone referenced an incredible long-term payoff, you complain that it took too long.
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