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Post by jordanimal on Oct 19, 2014 12:03:15 GMT -5
I liked him back in 02-04. still like him now
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Post by Gazza on Oct 19, 2014 12:13:28 GMT -5
Isn't it obvious that Cena plays backstage politics to get to the top? I mean, there's no factual evidence stating this, but it just has to be true! It's the reason internet favourite #73 isn't getting his push and is being kept down. There have been several reports of him having major creative control straight out of the mouths of people he's worked with. Do you seriously think that it isn't Vince putting the title on Cena, or booking Cena to win. You're deluded if you think otherwise wise.
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Post by NXT919 on Oct 19, 2014 12:14:39 GMT -5
I think he's badass!
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Post by ~ Cymru ~ on Oct 19, 2014 12:37:19 GMT -5
He does less moves now. Because he's not a wrestler. He's an ass-kicker. But someone like Cena does it with his "5 moves of death" and thats a bad thing. No I agree with the OP I dont know if thats a booking decision or Brock being lazy but I think it's BS, very rarely do we see Brock do something different these days and I dont care who you are, Cena, Brock, Daniel Bryan, Hogan, doesnt matter if you're in the spot as world champion then you should have a varied move set.
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Post by The Yes Man on Oct 19, 2014 13:12:13 GMT -5
I love Brock, and I don't think he needs to be at every Raw, but he should at least do every PPV, IMO.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Oct 19, 2014 13:27:25 GMT -5
He does less moves now. Because he's not a wrestler. He's an ass-kicker. But someone like Cena does it with his "5 moves of death" and thats a bad thing. No I agree with the OP I dont know if thats a booking decision or Brock being lazy but I think it's BS, very rarely do we see Brock do something different these days and I dont care who you are, Cena, Brock, Daniel Bryan, Hogan, doesnt matter if you're in the spot as world champion then you should have a varied move set. I don't think Cena has only the "five moves of doom" Even if I did, it fits Brock's character and not Xena's.
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Post by Jonathan Karate on Oct 19, 2014 15:02:50 GMT -5
The same thing ive always thought. This guy is something special.
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Post by Slim on Oct 19, 2014 15:23:58 GMT -5
I think nobody can beat Lesnar as he's an ass kicker. So, everyone are saying that Brock will face Roman Reigns at WM, but I can't see Reigns win. Brock destroyed Taker and Cena, I can't think Reigns can beat him. I don't hate Lesnar, I loved his match with CM Punk for example, but I hated his match against Cena at Summerslam, Cena did nothing execpt the AA. And Lesnar just did Suplex, F5 and that's it. At NOC, Cena was going to win the title, so they needed Seth Rollins to keep Lesnar as champion. That sucks. I also think he should just defend his title at every ppvs.
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Post by slappy on Oct 19, 2014 15:29:08 GMT -5
Didn't like him during his first run and I don't like him now.
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Post by King Silva on Oct 19, 2014 15:36:24 GMT -5
I liked all of his matches I just wish he would wrestle more than 3x a year.. But someone like Cena does it with his "5 moves of death" and thats a bad thing. No I agree with the OP I dont know if thats a booking decision or Brock being lazy but I think it's BS, very rarely do we see Brock do something different these days and I dont care who you are, Cena, Brock, Daniel Bryan, Hogan, doesnt matter if you're in the spot as world champion then you should have a varied move set. I don't think Cena has only the "five moves of doom" Even if I did, it fits Brock's character and not Xena's. I had no idea WWE signed the warrior princess Xena!
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Post by cordless2016 on Oct 19, 2014 16:06:08 GMT -5
There have been several reports of him having major creative control straight out of the mouths of people he's worked with. Do you seriously think that it isn't Vince putting the title on Cena, or booking Cena to win. You're deluded if you think otherwise wise. All final decisions are Vince's but multiple men Cena have worked with have stated that he has a say in booking and how things play out. Edge and Jericho have both commented on how Cena came up with the finish for Team Cena vs Nexus and we all know how that ended up for Barrett and the others.
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Post by cordless2016 on Oct 19, 2014 16:10:43 GMT -5
He does less moves now. Because he's not a wrestler. He's an ass-kicker. But someone like Cena does it with his "5 moves of death" and thats a bad thing. No I agree with the OP I dont know if thats a booking decision or Brock being lazy but I think it's BS, very rarely do we see Brock do something different these days and I dont care who you are, Cena, Brock, Daniel Bryan, Hogan, doesnt matter if you're in the spot as world champion then you should have a varied move set. I agree that everyone should have a veried move set, but in Brock's case I think the limited moves he does fits his character. He been pushed as an unstoppable monster. The few moves he does are enough to defeat his opponents in mere moments. I think it should be rare that we see Lesnar use new because, because it would mean that his opponent is able to withstand his normal moveset and Brock has to do something new to defeat this person.
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Post by Gazza on Oct 19, 2014 16:36:39 GMT -5
Do you seriously think that it isn't Vince putting the title on Cena, or booking Cena to win. You're deluded if you think otherwise wise. All final decisions are Vince's but multiple men Cena have worked with have stated that he has a say in booking and how things play out. Edge and Jericho have both commented on how Cena came up with the finish for Team Cena vs Nexus and we all know how that ended up for Barrett and the others. Even if he did, he won't be the first wrestler to pick an ending or have a say in booking and he won't be the last. People just like to use it as an excuse to hate Cena when most top guys will have or have had a say in booking.
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Post by Joe/Smurf on Oct 19, 2014 16:51:35 GMT -5
He's a monster. He's not supposed to be in there doing moonsaults and craps. He's good at what he does and clearly knows what he's doing. Would I like to see him on TV more? Yes. But why hold that against him? He entertains me so I like him just the same as I ever did.
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Post by tehforoh on Oct 19, 2014 16:53:33 GMT -5
Rusev entertains me more than Brock ever will.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Oct 19, 2014 18:23:31 GMT -5
He's a monster. He's not supposed to be in there doing moonsaults and craps. He's good at what he does and clearly knows what he's doing. Would I like to see him on TV more? Yes. But why hold that against him? He entertains me so I like him just the same as I ever did. Bravo.
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Post by cordless2016 on Oct 19, 2014 19:21:45 GMT -5
All final decisions are Vince's but multiple men Cena have worked with have stated that he has a say in booking and how things play out. Edge and Jericho have both commented on how Cena came up with the finish for Team Cena vs Nexus and we all know how that ended up for Barrett and the others. Even if he did, he won't be the first wrestler to pick an ending or have a say in booking and he won't be the last. People just like to use it as an excuse to hate Cena when most top guys will have or have had a say in booking. What do other top stars have to do with this conversation? We were specifically talking about Cena. As for other top stars, I haven't seen anyone known for using their clout for booking be given a free pass. Hogan is the master at it. HBK and HHH are right behind him. Hell even darlings like Austin and Taker were known for using their power to book matches. The only top stars I have never really heard any stories about using power to change bookings were Rocky, Foley, and Kane (Bret is right behind them if not for the Montreal incident). Cena isn't getting any extra hate for it. It is just one of many reasons why people can't stand Cena or his character.
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Post by The Mask of Truth on Oct 20, 2014 2:18:07 GMT -5
This thread should've included a poll for the Wfigs Universe to cast a vote.
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Post by rustyy on Oct 20, 2014 2:27:30 GMT -5
He's the only guy on the roster that is legitimately a monster. I love him and I love his promos. I feel like we should be thankful. It's pro wrestling, you can build monsters. Why should we be thankful? Because we only have to see him three times a year? He can take his pre recorded promos and lazy ass back to Minnesota. its a ing travesty that he was GIFTED the WWE title and doesn't have to do a god damn thing to earn it. You can say whatever you like about how Brock Lesnar doesn't deserve to be the WWE Champion, but he has the best matches on every single card he's on and sided with Paul Heyman makes him that much better. Brock Lesnar is the best thing going in the WWE today and if he truly gave absolutely no s about wrestling and didn't deserve it that wouldn't be the case. He does his job, which is being the beast, he does it well. No reasons to complain about him to be honest. Paul Heyman is the best thing about Brock Lesnar, they should just give the belt to Heyman, he'd be a better champ. There are a ton of reasons to complain about him, most of which have already been stated, he has done nothing to earn what he's been handed. I don't see him moving network numbers either, so that 5 million is real well spent. Personally I think he's one of the greatest in ring talents of all time. Certainly in the top 10 anyways. That's just being delusional. i really want to know how and why all these people constantly say he's "one of the greatest of all time" HE HAD A TWO YEAR WWE CAREER TWO YEARSFFSAnd his equivalent since coming "back" in 2012 is about 2 months worth of shows for all the other guys who actually have to bust their asses 300 days a year to view the ladder they'll never get to climb because they aren't big and strong...or they don't "looks like a BEAST!" the way he was booked this year of course makes sense. he defeated Undertaker at 'Mania....it was natural he should have become champion. but to have this long drawn out POINTLESS title reign is devaluing the WWE ing Championship. People bitch about the IC title being treated as a joke....Dolph Ziggler has had more title defenses than Brock Lesnar in the last 2 months. This is wrestling. Scripted, television, entertainment. It's not 1985. The WWE is actively trying to get people to have their programming become a 24 hour a day part of their lives. They want you to eat sleep and drink WWE. The #1 guy in the promotion should be on the ing weekly TV show(s). The idea behind a big monthly event you are supposed to pay for is that you want to see the Championship defended. The reason UFC doesn't do that every month is because THEIR guys are REALLY getting the crap kicked out of them and they physically are unable to fight for months at a time to recover from the 100% real ass kicking they received. Add to that the UFC doesn't need stories to keep people interested. The WWE is about stories and scripts revolving around wrestling. Right now the top position is essentially VACANT and we've got Cena there anyway. What difference is it if Cena has the title or not? He's still going to be the focus of every show. Then Lesnar comes in for a title match, wins and disappears again. It's not like him showing up is this monumental amazing shocking never-before-seen moment. I just. Don't. Get it. You don't like Lesnar. We get it and that's cool. Some of us do. Its also clear why the WWE pushes him the way they do. Not only does he play the heel role better than anybody the WWE currently has, but he has mass appeal. I'm a big Dolph Ziggler fan. I think he's the most misused talent in the WWE and deserves to be booked better. However, he doesn't have the mass appeal and drawing power of Lesnar. People buy Lesnar as a legitimate monster of a man and his rare appearances help build the intrigue people have with him. I like Lesnar, and I agree with Chip. How does he play a heel better than anyone? He's never around, and when he is Paul Heyman does all the work. I think you meant to say Heyman is a better heel than everyone on the roster, because without him, Lesnar wouldn't be any where near the position he's in now. Dolph doesn't have the drawing power because he's booked like garbage, it's pro wrestling. You can make anyone a monster or a draw as long as they have some charisma. If Lesnar was booked like Dolph he wouldn't be a draw either. So far, I've seen nothing to prove his random appearances do anything to hype up fans more than him showing up every week. If he can only stay over/be an attraction by showing up three times a year, then he's not really a star. Lmfao Lesnar dosent care about wrestling ..? Yeh. He just does it for the of it. Money talks, if they payed him a normal salary, you wouldn't see Brock Lesnar in WWE. To quote Tyson Kidd, FACT.
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Post by Mr. PerpetuaLynch Motion on Oct 20, 2014 3:08:34 GMT -5
Personally I think he's one of the greatest in ring talents of all time. Certainly in the top 10 anyways. That's just being delusional. Personal opinion seems to be a concept foreign to you so I shouldn't feel the need to explain my opinion to you however just for craps and giggles I'll explain myself to you anyways. IN MY OPINION the top 10 greatest in ring talents of all time are: 1. Kurt Angle 2. Bret Hart 3. Chris Benoit 4. Chris Jericho 5. Owen Hart 6. Ric Flair 7. Eddie Guerrero 8. Brock Lesnar 9. Ricky Steamboat 10. Sting
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