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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2014 10:07:14 GMT -5
Cesaro is great in the ring, but he's got the charisma of a brick. I can't see him ever winning the big one, but rather being in a Kofi or Jericho type role in the upper-midcard slot.
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Post by punksnotdead on Oct 23, 2014 11:57:03 GMT -5
But the office will see it as a complaint and kill whatever chance he ever had at a push for it. The monopoly is killing wrestling. It really isn't. How do you figure that? As the industry leader, WWE drives the business as a whole. WWE is down, so the industry is down. If WWE was producing more inspired television then more people would be interested in WWE. That leads fans to viewing other wrestling products like TNA, ROH, PWG, or whatever. WWE has grown extremely complacent because they can do whatever they want and there is virtually no alternative. You either watch WWE or you watch a competitor in the form of other entertainment, so pro sports or Gotham, or whatever else strikes your fancy on Monday night. Without competition, whether it be in-house or external, there is no motivation to push the boundaries on an otherwise monotonous product. That's exactly what we've seen for the better part of a decade as the interest in pro wrestling has seen a steady decline, at least across the United States.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2014 13:11:29 GMT -5
How do you figure that? As the industry leader, WWE drives the business as a whole. WWE is down, so the industry is down. If WWE was producing more inspired television then more people would be interested in WWE. That leads fans to viewing other wrestling products like TNA, ROH, PWG, or whatever. WWE has grown extremely complacent because they can do whatever they want and there is virtually no alternative. You either watch WWE or you watch a competitor in the form of other entertainment, so pro sports or Gotham, or whatever else strikes your fancy on Monday night. Without competition, whether it be in-house or external, there is no motivation to push the boundaries on an otherwise monotonous product. That's exactly what we've seen for the better part of a decade as the interest in pro wrestling has seen a steady decline, at least across the United States. I agree wrestling is on the decline, but disagree it's because WWE is the only global company. I think even if WCW didn't die or if TNA were to rise to WWE levels, it wouldn't raise interest in wrestling. Back when wrestling was at its peak, kayfabe wasn't widely known like it is now. It was a sport. Once the internet became a mainstay in human cultures, people realized it was just a soap opera with some action. It took away that allure for a lot of people that it once had. I agree WWE doesn't have the motivation they once did from a competitive standpoint, but given their financial crisis they should still be motivated to give inspiring programming. Personally, I think it's a lack of creative writing that's fresh and Vince being so out of touch.
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Post by punksnotdead on Oct 23, 2014 13:24:08 GMT -5
How do you figure that? As the industry leader, WWE drives the business as a whole. WWE is down, so the industry is down. If WWE was producing more inspired television then more people would be interested in WWE. That leads fans to viewing other wrestling products like TNA, ROH, PWG, or whatever. WWE has grown extremely complacent because they can do whatever they want and there is virtually no alternative. You either watch WWE or you watch a competitor in the form of other entertainment, so pro sports or Gotham, or whatever else strikes your fancy on Monday night. Without competition, whether it be in-house or external, there is no motivation to push the boundaries on an otherwise monotonous product. That's exactly what we've seen for the better part of a decade as the interest in pro wrestling has seen a steady decline, at least across the United States. I agree wrestling is on the decline, but disagree it's because WWE is the only global company. I think even if WCW didn't die or if TNA were to rise to WWE levels, it wouldn't raise interest in wrestling. Back when wrestling was at its peak, kayfabe wasn't widely known like it is now. It was a sport. Once the internet became a mainstay in human cultures, people realized it was just a soap opera with some action. It took away that allure for a lot of people that it once had. I agree WWE doesn't have the motivation they once did from a competitive standpoint, but given their financial crisis they should still be motivated to give inspiring programming. Personally, I think it's a lack of creative writing that's fresh and Vince being so out of touch. I would say you're 1000% right about that. I just tend to think that as the quality of the product increases, so does the social acceptability. I absolutely won't argue that the internet has killed off a ton of the magic of pro wrestling, and popularity by extension. I wouldn't personally attribute that directly to kayfabe, primarily because I believe most of us have understood it's a "fake" sport since well before the Attitude Era, but largely because the internet has sucked the life out of the surprise element of the show. That, and it has given everyone with an opinion, no matter how cynical or outright stupid, the belief that they're important enough that WWE should do what they want to see or the show sucks.
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Post by rustyy on Oct 23, 2014 13:30:42 GMT -5
But the office will see it as a complaint and kill whatever chance he ever had at a push for it. The monopoly is killing wrestling. It really isn't. If you act like anything other than a puppet they either turn you into a jobber or release you. They know you have to conform because there is no where else to go. That's why amazing talent like Shaun Ricker is let go.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2014 14:01:12 GMT -5
If you act like anything other than a puppet they either turn you into a jobber or release you. They know you have to conform because there is no where else to go. That's why amazing talent like Shaun Ricker is let go. Not sure where you get inside information like that, considering it's not exactly true.
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Post by Sleazyness on Oct 23, 2014 14:10:23 GMT -5
Not like he has much to lose, he's a low card jobber. I wish more people would come out and say this. I wish everyone was like Punk when it comes to this crap. The term "jobber" tends to be thrown around a lot when it shouldn't. Cesaro isn't a jobber. He doesn't always win, but he also doesn't always lose. People tend to also throw the term "buried" around a lot also.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2014 14:45:22 GMT -5
Not like he has much to lose, he's a low card jobber. I wish more people would come out and say this. I wish everyone was like Punk when it comes to this crap. The term "jobber" tends to be thrown around a lot when it shouldn't. Cesaro isn't a jobber. He doesn't always win, but he also doesn't always lose.People tend to also throw the term "buried" around a lot also. really Cesaro wasn't a jobber.then what do you call the stretch he had form June to Summer Slam. Were he lost every match he was in.including losses to Santio Kofi kingston, Big E. or How bout the battle royal at Battle ground. Were he was eliminated by Heath Slater.
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Oct 23, 2014 15:28:35 GMT -5
If you act like anything other than a puppet they either turn you into a jobber or release you. They know you have to conform because there is no where else to go. That's why amazing talent like Shaun Ricker is let go. Not sure where you get inside information like that, considering it's not exactly true. He lives in a fantasy world. By his "logic" then #2 babyface Dean Ambrose must act like one hell of a puppet.
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Post by ¡Twist Of Cinnamon! on Oct 23, 2014 15:45:33 GMT -5
The term "jobber" tends to be thrown around a lot when it shouldn't. Cesaro isn't a jobber. He doesn't always win, but he also doesn't always lose.People tend to also throw the term "buried" around a lot also. really Cesaro wasn't a jobber.then what do you call the stretch he had form June to Summer Slam. Were he lost every match he was in.including losses to Santio Kofi kingston, Big E. or How bout the battle royal at Battle ground. Were he was eliminated by Heath Slater. So Undertaker is a jobber because he was eliminated by Maven?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2014 15:52:50 GMT -5
The term "jobber" tends to be thrown around a lot when it shouldn't. Cesaro isn't a jobber. He doesn't always win, but he also doesn't always lose.People tend to also throw the term "buried" around a lot also. really Cesaro wasn't a jobber.then what do you call the stretch he had form June to Summer Slam. Were he lost every match he was in.including losses to Santio Kofi kingston, Big E. or How bout the battle royal at Battle ground. Were he was eliminated by Heath Slater. A two month losing streak means you're a jobber? You sure about that?
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Post by Sleazyness on Oct 23, 2014 17:07:03 GMT -5
I rest my case.
Also, to the OP: Cesaro isn't the only one sick of this never-ending saga.
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Post by Chip on Oct 23, 2014 17:20:38 GMT -5
<3 Cesaro
in the most manly, wrestling-related way possible.
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Post by HVMMONS on Oct 23, 2014 19:06:40 GMT -5
I can't say this is true because I'm not Cesaro, or the interviewer, but I'm sure in cases like these, the interview website/whatever tends to make up words in order to get attention to their interviews. If Cesaro did actually say that, I'm proud he did. The only downside is he'll be stuck in the mid card for a long time while Cena and Orton have their 1,000th match.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Oct 23, 2014 19:10:53 GMT -5
The term "jobber" tends to be thrown around a lot when it shouldn't. Cesaro isn't a jobber. He doesn't always win, but he also doesn't always lose.People tend to also throw the term "buried" around a lot also. really Cesaro wasn't a jobber.then what do you call the stretch he had form June to Summer Slam. Were he lost every match he was in.including losses to Santio Kofi kingston, Big E. or How bout the battle royal at Battle ground. Were he was eliminated by Heath Slater. I call it a losing streak. Jobbers always job, hence them being jobbers.
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Post by Halloween King on Oct 23, 2014 20:50:39 GMT -5
The WWE has agreed to terms on the release of Cesaro (Claudio Castagnoli). We would like to wish him the best of luck in future endeavors. He had a good run.
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Post by Himmy! on Oct 24, 2014 2:14:44 GMT -5
I get the feeling Cesaro doesn't have much of a future in WWE.
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Post by Irish Wrestling Entertainment on Oct 24, 2014 4:32:24 GMT -5
I'm about 100% sure this is a kayfabe interview.
The interviewer mentions The Wyatts and the younger generation, all Cesaro does is big himself up and hate on everyone else. There is no way he is in anything other than his character.
That said, I'm sure he fully believes everything he's said because it is a perfectly legitimate opinion and one shared by many here.
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Post by Slim on Oct 24, 2014 4:53:44 GMT -5
He's not wrong..
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Post by sitruC on Oct 24, 2014 7:27:22 GMT -5
He isn't the only one.
I don't get why people are calling him a jobber either, he's just not being used in a storyline yet. I'm sure his time will come if he waits long enough, no one got things handed to them straight away (except Roman Reigns obviously).
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