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Post by Mr. PerpetuaLynch Motion on Oct 30, 2014 8:23:24 GMT -5
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Post by marino13 on Oct 30, 2014 8:27:37 GMT -5
Personally, that sounds like a lot even though I'm sure WWE is disappointed.
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Post by Mr. PerpetuaLynch Motion on Oct 30, 2014 8:29:07 GMT -5
Personally, that sounds like a lot even though I'm sure WWE is disappointed. I think the thing they'd be frustrated with is that they only gained like 30,000 new subscribers... would have been more if ALL of Canada had access to the damn thing I imagine
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Post by T R W on Oct 30, 2014 8:31:49 GMT -5
Personally, that sounds like a lot even though I'm sure WWE is disappointed. I agree. It's actually doing better than I expected. The only way it is going to get much better is if they make the WWE must watch tv again. But that's the rub isn't it.
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Oct 30, 2014 8:38:38 GMT -5
The rollout in 170 countries equalled just 30,000 new subscribers since the summer conference call... Pretty much everyone who wanted it was already using region unblockers to be a US subscriber. This is not good at all.
I think they actually gained like 280,000 subscribers but lost 250,000 when the first six-month renewal period was up. I was one of those. The monthly PPV just wasn't enough, and I have no interest in watching documentaries where people talk about DX invading WCW for the millionth time.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2014 8:44:07 GMT -5
And now the month of November. Is free for new subscribers. it's time to admit just like the xfl and the wbf. the network is a huge fail.
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Post by Mr. PerpetuaLynch Motion on Oct 30, 2014 8:56:49 GMT -5
And now the month of November. Is free for new subscribers. it's time to admit just like the xfl and the wbf. the network is a huge fail. But every wrestling fan should be hoping and begging for the network to be a success. There has never been a value for wrestling fans than the network
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Post by Quazimoto on Oct 30, 2014 9:12:37 GMT -5
The thing I don't really understand with this new report is the change to no commitment for subscribers. I'm not real up on modern business models, but won't that result in a lot of people picking and choosing month to month and basically buying PPV events for $9.99?
I'd imagine a large portion of current subscribers are only in it for the PPVs and maybe watch something else every now and again (would be really interesting to see viewership statistics on the different programs and streams). This basically kills Pay Per View as it used to be. I mean, if you have access to the WWE Network at all you'd now have to be a total moron to buy an event for $39.99 (or whatever they are now) on Pay Per View rather than pay $9.99 for a month's worth of WWE Network.
Fact is that the product they're putting out, while enjoyable enough to a lifelong fan such as myself, just isn't interesting enough to garner the mass appeal that it once did years ago. Now, with no six month commitment for subscribers, I'd imagine there will be a lot of people who buy it for something like WrestleMania or Royal Rumble, but cancel and don't subscribe for things like TLC or Night Of Champions and thus wouldn't WWE be, in effect, losing more money than they'd be making with a six month commitment from each subscriber?
I'm sure they're thinking this will lead to more subscribers in the long run. And it probably will during some months. I worry a bit that whoever is making these decisions keeps insisting that WWE is mainstream and just like Netflix or Hulu. They aren't. Never have been. Never will be. WWE and the wrestling business as a whole is unique and completely unlike anything else. I really wish they would embrace that difference rather that trying to be a mainstream entertainment company. But, that's leading into a broader discussion than network subscriptions. With the network now having launched in a large number of countries outside the United States, I can't imagine they're too thrilled about the 731,000 subscriber count.
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Post by torriefan4life on Oct 30, 2014 9:19:44 GMT -5
And now the month of November. Is free for new subscribers. it's time to admit just like the xfl and the wbf. the network is a huge fail. But every wrestling fan should be hoping and begging for the network to be a success. There has never been a value for wrestling fans than the network This! I don't know why some wrestling fans want it to fail. It is a dream come true for wrestling fans. The sad thing is originally did they not say they expected to have over 1 million subscribers before WrestleMania and have 2 million by the end of the year? I know later they changed it and said they expect 1 million by the end of the year or near WrestleMania 31 (I forget). It sadly looks like they won't hit 1 million by WrestleMania and definitely not by the end of the year at this rate. I just hope we don't lose the Network.
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Post by BrIaNMeRcY on Oct 30, 2014 9:19:50 GMT -5
I'm sure they're thinking this will lead to more subscribers in the long run. And it probably will during some months. I worry a bit that whoever is making these decisions keeps insisting that WWE is mainstream and just like Netflix or Hulu. They aren't. Never have been. Never will be. WWE and the wrestling business as a whole is unique and completely unlike anything else. I really wish they would embrace that difference rather that trying to be a mainstream entertainment company. But, that's leading into a broader discussion than network subscriptions. With the network now having launched in a large number of countries outside the United States, I can't imagine they're too thrilled about the 731,000 subscriber count. Glad someone here has common sense. I won't rehash what you mentioned but if there was a way to send you a virtual cup of coffee, I'd so give you one right now.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Oct 30, 2014 9:39:39 GMT -5
And now the month of November. Is free for new subscribers. it's time to admit just like the xfl and the wbf. the network is a huge fail. Oh hey look everyone. It's another useless, nonsense and negative post.
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Post by J12 on Oct 30, 2014 9:59:54 GMT -5
One thing I have to wonder - when is WWE's deal with Hulu up?
Giving Hulu the immediate rights to recently aired episodes of WWE is a horrible, counterproductive strategy that I'd be willing to bet is biting into their subscription number. If the Pay-Per-Views aren't enough to get someone to subscribe, because, say, they already have a Netflix and Hulu account, and they consume WWE programming on demand, why not make the Network the only option? They shouldn't be throwing their content on a similar service provider that essentially acts as direct competition under the current deal.
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Oct 30, 2014 10:03:13 GMT -5
Meltzer/Alvarez: One thing I have to wonder - when is WWE's deal with Hulu up? Giving Hulu the immediate rights to recently aired episodes of WWE is a horrible, counterproductive strategy that I'd be willing to bet is biting into their subscription number. If the Pay-Per-Views aren't enough to get someone to subscribe, because, say, they already have a Netflix and Hulu account, and they consume WWE programming on demand, why not make the Network the only option? They shouldn't be throwing their content on a similar service provider that essentially acts as direct competition under the current deal. New episodes of free TV shows aren't going to make people pay $10 a month if all the stuff on there already doesn't interest them enough to. It almost certainly wouldn't draw enough new subscribers to cover the money that Hulu pays them.
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Post by KrimV on Oct 30, 2014 10:13:45 GMT -5
New episodes of free TV shows aren't going to make people pay $10 a month if all the stuff on there already doesn't interest them enough to. It almost certainly wouldn't draw enough new subscribers to cover the money that Hulu pays them. Thing is that Raw isn't technically "free TV" as you still need to have a cable subscription to watch it and in this age where many are cutting the cable cords, Raw needs to be a big part of the Network. As it stands I think episodes are posted 30 days after they initially air, which I think is way too long.
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Post by Dr. Mantis Toboggan MD on Oct 30, 2014 10:30:16 GMT -5
Personally, that sounds like a lot even though I'm sure WWE is disappointed. I agree. It's actually doing better than I expected. The only way it is going to get much better is if they make the WWE must watch tv again. But that's the rub isn't it. Exactly. I find it quite shocking it is that high seeing how they were projecting to get 1 million by the end of the year, when they still had a decent product running. With the complete drop of the 6 month commitment, they may actually reach that number by the end of the year.
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Post by Chief on Oct 30, 2014 10:38:05 GMT -5
The problem is that there is already 5 hours of WWE on "free TV". Only the hard core fans are going to want more then that. To make a bad analogy, if 5 hours of what you were going to watch on Netflix was available on "free TV" would you still get Netflix? Maybe, but prob not. WWE is such a niche product during non boom periods that they have seriously ed themselves on this one.
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Post by ThugSuperstar on Oct 30, 2014 10:44:06 GMT -5
I'm really not the least bit surprised the Network is bombing. Aside from the fact that the product today is some of the worst of all time, they never even update the Network. Seriously, when was the last time they even bothered to put up more older episodes of RAW, SmackDown and Nitro? Not to mention, most of their "original programming" is nothing more than rehashed interviews from older documentaries that they paste together and try and call a special. If they wanna do budget cuts so badly, start with whoever is in charge of the content updates. It's absolutely terrible.
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Oct 30, 2014 10:45:39 GMT -5
The problem is that there is already 5 hours of WWE on "free TV". That is also a key factor. The PPVs are basically just the same matches you've seen on TV six times that month -- this is mostly true for the undercard where they are literally the same rematches over and over, but even at main event level: How many times over the last couple of months have we seen Cena and/or Ambrose vs Authority matches? When they have those 5 "free" hours a week and so many of the matches are already samey and boring, it's not appealing to pay $10 for more of the same thing. Finding ways to make the TV shows less repetitive and to make the entire PPV cards different/better than TV would go a long way to making me subscribe again. Instead of having ten Ziggler vs Cesaro matches on TV building to their PPV match, I'd rather have ten Ziggler vs Cesaro promos/angles/interviews on TV building to their PPV match. Well, if they were better talkers. But burning out the match before the PPV is awfully unappealing to me.
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Post by T R W on Oct 30, 2014 10:45:41 GMT -5
The problem is that there is already 5 hours of WWE on "free TV". Only the hard core fans are going to want more then that. To make a bad analogy, if 5 hours of what you were going to watch on Netflix was available on "free TV" would you still get Netflix? Maybe, but prob not. WWE is such a niche product during non boom periods that they have seriously ed themselves on this one. I do think less free TV would be a good thing. If only RAW were on free tv, and you had to have the Network to watch Smackdown, Main Event, NXT, and even to a lesser extent, Total Divas, that gives people (at least hardcore or semi-hardcore) fans more reason to want to subscribe.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2014 11:02:01 GMT -5
I wonder how many more they'll get when it comes to the UK..
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