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Post by Word™ on Nov 21, 2014 3:21:19 GMT -5
I'm not saying Roy Nelson isn't good on the ground, I'm saying Brock Lesnar is better on the ground.. Lesnar also has about 25 pounds on Nelson.. Lesnar is only better at taking him to the ground. Nelson is a legitimate threat on the ground. Lesnar would lose 75% of the time. Lesnar is not a good fighter. Brock is a legitimate threat on the ground? lol, I feel like you're just trolling right now.. Brock is a 2 time NCAA champion, and a 2 time All American WRESTLER.. Which is actual hard evidence of being a legitimate. Threat. On the ground. You can hate on Lesnar all you want, but there is alot of proof that he is a threat. And Roy Nelson is the only person I can confidently say would lose in a striking match against Lesnar when Lesnar isn't even that good of a striker. Even though Brock Lesnar doesn't have great striking capabilities.. All it would take from Lesnar is one take down and he would be in complete control from that point.. Really no matter who he is up against from Velasquez back to Overeem.. 9 times out of 10, if they gave Lesnar a small window for that take down and leverage, Lesnar wins.. Make no mistake he's still a force.. He's not a good striker, but you're totally ed if he gets a solid take down. Brock is an excellent wrestler, he took Cain down in their fight although he managed to get back up. If Brock can take an opponent down, he has the strength and skill to keep them there and unleash some nasty right hands. It's too bad Brock isn't a solid technical striker, guys like Overeem and Cain lit Brock up on the feet. Overeem avoided Brock's take downs like Ebola.. Alistair Overeem is 6'5" 265lbs.. And at that size, even he didn't want to get in a wrestling match with Brock. One of Lesnar's only weaknesses is the strike game.. I mean I think he can still throw hands, just not very well.. He won't shy away from bangin' with another fighter.. And it would seriously just take one connection to daze his opponent.. As soon as he rocks them (if they're not knocked out) he'll rush in and throw them down.. If I remember correctly tho, it was 2 straight kicks to the gut that put Lesnar down.. Cain is the only person that took Lesnar to the ground and pounded his face in.. But Velasquez is an above average fighter.. He's dominate. And young.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2014 3:48:32 GMT -5
Lesnar is only better at taking him to the ground. Nelson is a legitimate threat on the ground. Lesnar would lose 75% of the time. Lesnar is not a good fighter. Brock is a legitimate threat on the ground? lol, I feel like you're just trolling right now.. Brock is a 2 time NCAA champion, and a 2 time All American WRESTLER.. Which is actual hard evidence of being a legitimate. Threat. On the ground. You can hate on Lesnar all you want, but there is alot of proof that he is a threat. And Roy Nelson is the only person I can confidently say would lose in a striking match against Lesnar when Lesnar isn't even that good of a striker. Brock is an excellent wrestler, he took Cain down in their fight although he managed to get back up. If Brock can take an opponent down, he has the strength and skill to keep them there and unleash some nasty right hands. It's too bad Brock isn't a solid technical striker, guys like Overeem and Cain lit Brock up on the feet. Overeem avoided Brock's take downs like Ebola.. Alistair Overeem is 6'5" 265lbs.. And at that size, even he didn't want to get in a wrestling match with Brock. One of Lesnar's only weaknesses is the strike game.. I mean I think he can still throw hands, just not very well.. He won't shy away from bangin' with another fighter.. And it would seriously just take one connection to daze his opponent.. As soon as he rocks them (if they're not knocked out) he'll rush in and throw them down.. If I remember correctly tho, it was 2 straight kicks to the gut that put Lesnar down.. Cain is the only person that took Lesnar to the ground and pounded his face in.. But Velasquez is an above average fighter.. He's dominate. And young. I take it you don't know much about MMA if you think Brock is a threat on the ground against anybody with skill. He can lay and pray, good for him. And no, Lesnar would never, not once, knock down Nelson.
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Post by The Mask of Truth on Nov 21, 2014 3:50:12 GMT -5
My boy Cain Velasquez will whoop his ass again, and then what?
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Post by Word™ on Nov 21, 2014 4:29:18 GMT -5
Brock is a legitimate threat on the ground? lol, I feel like you're just trolling right now.. Brock is a 2 time NCAA champion, and a 2 time All American WRESTLER.. Which is actual hard evidence of being a legitimate. Threat. On the ground. You can hate on Lesnar all you want, but there is alot of proof that he is a threat. And Roy Nelson is the only person I can confidently say would lose in a striking match against Lesnar when Lesnar isn't even that good of a striker. Overeem avoided Brock's take downs like Ebola.. Alistair Overeem is 6'5" 265lbs.. And at that size, even he didn't want to get in a wrestling match with Brock. One of Lesnar's only weaknesses is the strike game.. I mean I think he can still throw hands, just not very well.. He won't shy away from bangin' with another fighter.. And it would seriously just take one connection to daze his opponent.. As soon as he rocks them (if they're not knocked out) he'll rush in and throw them down.. If I remember correctly tho, it was 2 straight kicks to the gut that put Lesnar down.. Cain is the only person that took Lesnar to the ground and pounded his face in.. But Velasquez is an above average fighter.. He's dominate. And young. I take it you don't know much about MMA if you think Brock is a threat on the ground against anybody with skill. He can lay and pray, good for him. And no, Lesnar would never, not once, knock down Nelson. Nah man, I was actually thinking you don't know much about MMA.. Or the many different styles of fighting that create the mixed aspect of Mixed Martial Arts.. You should watch more tape dog.. You should also compare tales of the tape.. Statistics are your friend.. I will say one last time, that Brock is a threat on the ground because (like I stated before) he has actual skill on the ground. Not one time have I seen Brock lay and pray.. That's a cheap shot.. But he would, probably twice, knock down Nelson. You're trollin' dog, I can't take you serious. My boy Cain Velasquez will whoop his ass again, and then what? Cain Velasquez will continue to be the monster he is? Velasquez is the only person that beat the sh*t out of Brock.. Brock had only 2 other losses, where the fighters used a certain strategy against him to win.. Cain Velasquez didn't use any strategy and literally just stopped Lesnar from getting any upper hand, he tore Brock apart.
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Post by Himmy! on Nov 21, 2014 4:35:45 GMT -5
I for one will miss him.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2014 5:10:54 GMT -5
If this thread continues to be about MMA talk and NOT Lesnar leaving WWE? I'm sending it to the UFC board. I realise there is certain amount of crossover but we have had a couple of pages of deep MMA stuff here and of course the obligatory arguments. Starting a thread in the UFC board entitled "how would Lesnar do if he were to return to UFC" is the place for that.
now back OT.
I genuinely don't see Lesnar going back to the UFC. He is on the sweetest of deals ever with Vince where He has to do f*ck all. Unless behind the scenes it has been communicated to him that this will be the last contract he will get from WWE in this shape & form......
As in they WOULD sign him again but would want more appearances etc.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2014 5:58:10 GMT -5
I don't think there's even a chance Brock will go back to UFC.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2014 7:00:20 GMT -5
I take it you don't know much about MMA if you think Brock is a threat on the ground against anybody with skill. He can lay and pray, good for him. And no, Lesnar would never, not once, knock down Nelson. Nah man, I was actually thinking you don't know much about MMA.. Or the many different styles of fighting that create the mixed aspect of Mixed Martial Arts.. You should watch more tape dog.. You should also compare tales of the tape.. Statistics are your friend.. I will say one last time, that Brock is a threat on the ground because (like I stated before) he has actual skill on the ground. Not one time have I seen Brock lay and pray.. That's a cheap shot.. But he would, probably twice, knock down Nelson. You're trollin' dog, I can't take you serious. My boy Cain Velasquez will whoop his ass again, and then what? Cain Velasquez will continue to be the monster he is? Velasquez is the only person that beat the sh*t out of Brock.. Brock had only 2 other losses, where the fighters used a certain strategy against him to win.. Cain Velasquez didn't use any strategy and literally just stopped Lesnar from getting any upper hand, he tore Brock apart. I know more about it than you do, kind of my job. Brock is a fighter with no ground game. At all. That's a fact. I'm not trolling because you think you he does, it just means you have no idea what you're talking about. Brock had a chance to develop a ground game and ran away from the sport. He had potential to be a good fighter but got started far too late. Fact is, he's not a good fighter and there are not many heavyweights he would beat. Now that second part is where you lost all credibility. Overeem destroyed Lesnar, and Carwin should have won after controlling and destroying Brock in the first round of their fight. Why the bell wasn't rung there I'll never know. Mir took advantage of a rookie mistake, I highly doubt his plan was for Brock to make that mistake. The only fight Brock has had where he was impressive was the second fight against Mir. That's it. I actually think you might be the one trolling.
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Post by bababooey on Nov 21, 2014 8:43:10 GMT -5
Let's not forget that we constantly hear rumors about Lesnar going back to UFC. The guy is pushing 40. What is he really gonna do in UFC? There's no reason for him to go back.
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Post by Tyler Black on Nov 21, 2014 8:53:12 GMT -5
The disrespect for Brock Lesnar is unbelieveable. Brock is one of the most physically impressive human beings of all time. He may not be the best person but he is a monster athlete a guy like that just screams world champion. And so what if he's not on every raw or every Ppv to defend the belt he's a special attraction. At the end of the day wrestling is a bussines not let's cater to the iwc and Brock is money. I will be upset for one if Brock leaves. And I don't see how a past his prime taker losing to a man that will legitimately kick just about anyone's ass for real devalues the streak. Id like to see anyone here talk trash to Brock's face
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Post by RV F'N D on Nov 21, 2014 9:24:01 GMT -5
So...Brock is just using this as leverage for his next WWE deal? Are they really going to pay him even more per appearance than they do now? When they don't want to even pay that to use him on a PPV, let alone a Raw? He doesn't draw enough to justify his current payday, because if he did they'd use him more. It's a bad deal for WWE, no way he gets a bigger one.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2014 9:43:57 GMT -5
Regardless of if he leaves or not, it should be 22-0.
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Post by Word™ on Nov 21, 2014 9:50:07 GMT -5
Nah man, I was actually thinking you don't know much about MMA.. Or the many different styles of fighting that create the mixed aspect of Mixed Martial Arts.. You should watch more tape dog.. You should also compare tales of the tape.. Statistics are your friend.. I will say one last time, that Brock is a threat on the ground because (like I stated before) he has actual skill on the ground. Not one time have I seen Brock lay and pray.. That's a cheap shot.. But he would, probably twice, knock down Nelson. You're trollin' dog, I can't take you serious. Cain Velasquez will continue to be the monster he is? Velasquez is the only person that beat the sh*t out of Brock.. Brock had only 2 other losses, where the fighters used a certain strategy against him to win.. Cain Velasquez didn't use any strategy and literally just stopped Lesnar from getting any upper hand, he tore Brock apart. I know more about it than you do, kind of my job. Brock is a fighter with no ground game. At all. That's a fact. I'm not trolling because you think you he does, it just means you have no idea what you're talking about. Brock had a chance to develop a ground game and ran away from the sport. He had potential to be a good fighter but got started far too late. Fact is, he's not a good fighter and there are not many heavyweights he would beat. Now that second part is where you lost all credibility. Overeem destroyed Lesnar, and Carwin should have won after controlling and destroying Brock in the first round of their fight. Why the bell wasn't rung there I'll never know. Mir took advantage of a rookie mistake, I highly doubt his plan was for Brock to make that mistake. The only fight Brock has had where he was impressive was the second fight against Mir. That's it.
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Post by Dan on Nov 21, 2014 10:35:03 GMT -5
Gutting. To think he finally returned after almost a Decade, ended the Undertaker's Streak and became the WWE World Heavyweight Champion, he had a chance to go down as one of the all time greats. A massive shame that he's literally only faced John Cena, Triple H, CM Punk and Undertaker since returning.
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Post by Chip on Nov 21, 2014 10:53:34 GMT -5
It's astounding that a man that cares so little about wrestling has been given so much from it. THIS x1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
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Post by Jaz on Nov 21, 2014 11:13:55 GMT -5
This sucks if it's true, but there's plenty of time for Brock to come back. I seriously doubt this is his final run with WWE. The man is only 37.
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Post by JC Motors on Nov 21, 2014 11:15:42 GMT -5
That means no more re-releases of the same Mattel figure
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Nov 21, 2014 11:19:01 GMT -5
Meltzer thinks he might go to Bellator rather than UFC. Bellator's spending big money at the moment, and they'll throw him easier opponents.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2014 11:21:07 GMT -5
I know more about it than you do, kind of my job. Brock is a fighter with no ground game. At all. That's a fact. I'm not trolling because you think you he does, it just means you have no idea what you're talking about. Brock had a chance to develop a ground game and ran away from the sport. He had potential to be a good fighter but got started far too late. Fact is, he's not a good fighter and there are not many heavyweights he would beat. Now that second part is where you lost all credibility. Overeem destroyed Lesnar, and Carwin should have won after controlling and destroying Brock in the first round of their fight. Why the bell wasn't rung there I'll never know. Mir took advantage of a rookie mistake, I highly doubt his plan was for Brock to make that mistake. The only fight Brock has had where he was impressive was the second fight against Mir. That's it. Proved my point. Good for you.
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Post by 0,Y on Nov 21, 2014 11:26:04 GMT -5
I doubt it. Why would he go back to UFC? In WWE he gets paid millions of dollars for doing little to nothing, doesn't have to put his body on the line (well kinda but not as much as in UFC) and WWE pushed him to the moon (again). If I was in his position I'd sit on my ass, collect the big paychecks, work 6 times a year and enjoy life to the fullest.
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