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Post by wyleecyotee on Dec 15, 2014 20:06:03 GMT -5
To be honest, the ppv weren't bad. It's the storylines and attachment to had to the matches that's different.
Why did I want zayn to win? Cos he's been chasing it and coming up short for over a year but consistently being the best performer on nxt.
Why did I want Cena to win? I don't
Why did I look forward to the finn&itami/ascension match? Cos they've been at each other for months with no real pay off yet (started the rivalry clever too)
Why did I look forward to the wwe tag title match? Cos mizdow
If wwe just built some proper storylines and had a direction then I may invest in their product like NxT. It's not so much to in ring action as it is the build up.
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Post by Joe/Smurf on Dec 15, 2014 20:22:22 GMT -5
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Post by Joe/Smurf on Dec 15, 2014 20:28:54 GMT -5
To be honest, the ppv weren't bad. It's the storylines and attachment to had to the matches that's different. Why did I want zayn to win? Cos he's been chasing it and coming up short for over a year but consistently being the best performer on nxt. Why did I want Cena to win? I don't Why did I look forward to the finn&itami/ascension match? Cos they've been at each other for months with no real pay off yet (started the rivalry clever too) Why did I look forward to the wwe tag title match? Cos mizdow If wwe just built some proper storylines and had a direction then I may invest in their product like NxT. It's not so much to in ring action as it is the build up. did you even watch the ppv? everything after the opener was hot garbage, and I'm usually the one who's too positive about these things. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2014 20:29:10 GMT -5
To be honest, the ppv weren't bad. It's the storylines and attachment to had to the matches that's different. Why did I want zayn to win? Cos he's been chasing it and coming up short for over a year but consistently being the best performer on nxt. Why did I want Cena to win? I don't Why did I look forward to the finn&itami/ascension match? Cos they've been at each other for months with no real pay off yet (started the rivalry clever too) Why did I look forward to the wwe tag title match? Cos mizdow If wwe just built some proper storylines and had a direction then I may invest in their product like NxT. It's not so much to in ring action as it is the build up. The problem is WWE has about 89 writers. All with opposing ideals as to what the product should be. NXT has 2 writers. I've said it before and I'll say it again, I love being a turtle....err NXT should replace Smack Down. Also, there is absolutely no need to keep hiring writers from soap operas to write RAW. Consolidate it down to 2 or 3 who understand the business enough to give us a product that appeals to everyone involved. |
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Dec 15, 2014 20:49:07 GMT -5
WWE is creatively at its worst. Not in the "I'm 15 and my favourite darling doesn't win all the time, waa waa" way, just in the sense of nothing mattering. There's just nothing happening in the product that's worth caring about. Cena vs Rollins and Ambrose vs Wyatt are awful main event feuds.
It's about time Cena and some of the other top guys had a meeting with Vince like the infamous time the Kliq made him come to their hotel and basically rebook the territory. No point in JC telling everyone to cheer up when the company isn't bothering.
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Post by marino13 on Dec 15, 2014 21:01:23 GMT -5
The talent is there, the creative is not. Something needs to change.
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Post by Squid: The Anti-Hero on Dec 15, 2014 21:30:25 GMT -5
I literally quit watching a while back because I thought it was horrible then, from what my friend tells me....I'm not missing a damn thing.
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Post by Midnight on Dec 15, 2014 21:38:53 GMT -5
Triple H does know what's best for business (look at NXT). He needs to be incharge of the main roster period
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Post by The Yes Man on Dec 15, 2014 21:46:47 GMT -5
The writing team for NXT needs to be called up.
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Post by Triple S: POOR on Dec 15, 2014 22:43:32 GMT -5
I don't believe any of this for one single second.
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Post by rustyy on Dec 15, 2014 22:56:20 GMT -5
WWE is creatively at its worst. Not in the "I'm 15 and my favourite darling doesn't win all the time, waa waa" way, just in the sense of nothing mattering. There's just nothing happening in the product that's worth caring about. Cena vs Rollins and Ambrose vs Wyatt are awful main event feuds. It's about time Cena and some of the other top guys had a meeting with Vince like the infamous time the Kliq made him come to their hotel and basically rebook the territory. No point in JC telling everyone to cheer up when the company isn't bothering. Bray/Ambrose had so much potential, but they book both terribly. I'm genuinely not sure why they were even fighting. Not to mention that ending. Cena is a huge part of the problem here, he doesn't want to lose his spot, so every time a new up and comer is hot, they get paired/feud with him and magically, they aren't over anymore. WWE can't have a meeting with top stars, they only have one star. |
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Dec 15, 2014 23:04:33 GMT -5
Cena is a huge part of the problem here, he doesn't want to lose his spot, so every time a new up and comer is hot, they get paired/feud with him and magically, they aren't over anymore. Yup, that's true. I remember that time Cena feuded with Daniel Bryan and then Bryan wasn't over anymore after it. If things had been different, Bryan probably could've main-evented WM30. That damn Cena, making Bryan not over anymore. |
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Post by Chip on Dec 15, 2014 23:18:49 GMT -5
but dont people BACKSTAGE book the matches? and then the wrestlers go out and perform.
like really how much of this stuff is truly "off the cuff"
there's timing of everything, there are absolutely certain things that NEED to be done in a match, the commentary needs to be on. RAW has a god damn script written for the simplest things
so how exactly are talents supposed to go all out when they are being DIRECTED not to?
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Post by rustyy on Dec 15, 2014 23:27:11 GMT -5
Cena is a huge part of the problem here, he doesn't want to lose his spot, so every time a new up and comer is hot, they get paired/feud with him and magically, they aren't over anymore. Yup, that's true. I remember that time Cena feuded with Daniel Bryan and then Bryan wasn't over anymore after it. If things had been different, Bryan probably could've main-evented WM30. That damn Cena, making Bryan not over anymore. One example of him putting someone over clean. Do I need to list who he's made look bad? 90% of the time, people come out looking worse. Not even 100% clean either, he just had to bring up the elbow the night after. |
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Post by Word™ on Dec 15, 2014 23:28:11 GMT -5
John Cena is a worker, but I doubt he's a leader.. I'm pretty sure his work ethic is respected, but everyone knows that his word isn't bond and he's full of sh*t.
A silent protest sounds like the best thing. And what Cena allegedly offered was the complete opposite of a protest.. It sounds more like John Cena being a company man than a leader of the people.. But Cena wins either way.. If they silently protest, Cena wins.. If they work harder every night, Cena wins.. Cena will stop being on top when HE is ready.. You guys don't get that by now?
This isn't a Hogan type of situation. John Cena can make a career outside of the WWE, he's reached that status.. And the WWE needs John Cena more than Cena needs them. So the Cena blame game isn't gonna jive.
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Dec 15, 2014 23:53:07 GMT -5
Yup, that's true. I remember that time Cena feuded with Daniel Bryan and then Bryan wasn't over anymore after it. If things had been different, Bryan probably could've main-evented WM30. That damn Cena, making Bryan not over anymore. One example of him putting someone over clean. Do I need to list who he's made look bad? Just list the ones he made look bad who were a bigger threat to his #1 babyface position than Daniel Bryan. Alternatively, actually think about what you're posting for once. John Cena's motivation is protecting his spot, but somehow he forgot to do the OMG SEENA BERRIAL on the only wrestler that stands a chance of getting anywhere near taking his spot? That's cause for an lol. His master evil politicking is even weaker than his STF, clearly. And that's a pretty weak STF. Of course, what really happens is: -Heel gets built up to fight top babyface. -Top babyface wins feud with heel, because that's how stories work. -Heel moves down card, because the top babyface fighting the same heel forever doesn't work. Hogan vs Andre WM3 could not have happened if Hogan was still feuding with Piper in 1987. -Company doesn't bother doing anything with wrestlers who aren't main eventing. -Due to lack of perspective and understanding, teenager thinks heel has been buried by top babyface and conjures up odd conspiracy theory that the top babyface thought the heel was going to be the new top babyface if he didn't bury him. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2014 23:58:02 GMT -5
Lol @ new/young guys like Rollins and Rowan losing to John Cena and Big Show only to be told they need to "step up".
Already sick of this brass ring sh*t also.
WWE needs to be FORCED to create new stars...which is a shame. Instead of letting it happen naturally, they just rely on the same sh*t with Cena, Show, Orton, etc. over and over and over and over again.
To Cena and Show: Either do everything you can to HELP create new stars or get the f*ck out of the way.
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Post by rustyy on Dec 15, 2014 23:59:35 GMT -5
Nice shot about my age btw. Well have to agree to disagree because you're just going to defend Cena no matter who or what he ruins.
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Post by Rob on Dec 16, 2014 0:32:41 GMT -5
Lol. WWE is so full of crap. Its so easy for Cena to sit there and preach when he is in the spot he is in.
The reason why the NXT show blew WWE out of the water is because there is nothing to lose with anyone on the roster. There is no John Cena, Part timers, Soon to be Roman Reigns, Randy Ortons in NXT. They book their shows without having to protect your top stars and they put out some AMAZING TV. On the main roster, You have to constantly protect these top stars and there is a HUGE glass ceiling hanging above everyone not named John Cena/Randy Orton/Brock Lesnar/The Rock.
Thats WWE's problem and its turned their product into some of the most predicable crap i've seen in my 15 years of watching this.
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Post by BCizzle on Dec 16, 2014 0:45:53 GMT -5
Triple H is also the guy who has been the biggest part of the dreadful Authority angle that just wouldn't end and tried it's best to bury Daniel Bryan.
I don't know how much of that is Vince and how much of that is from Paul. I am definitely not a fan of the guy, but even I can admit he has done some good things for this company and that NXT is pretty damn cool. But, I am also afraid his insecurity and ego are both as bad as Vince's, if not worse, and that could taint the product in the future.
Anything has to be better than 3 hour time-filling Raws, though. This is the Monotony Era.
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