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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2014 17:38:39 GMT -5
Do some of you have a crystal ball?
Or are you simply predicting what YOU THINK?
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Post by Infinite on Dec 21, 2014 17:45:00 GMT -5
My mistake. "Indie." I was actually going to change that anyway, since I saw your post about Christian, Jericho and Angle, where you called them "darlings" and not "indie darlings." Yup, all three of those guys were from before the "WWE and indies" era, and Angle especially was just a WWE guy at the time. 2002-2003 was when the anti-WWE sentiment set in. Workrate darling would probably be a more accurate term for that time/guys who were already there, but internet darling (or just darling by itself) covers the entire spectrum anyway. And regarding your earlier post, I'm all for the darlings who are good. Rollins, Ambrose, Bryan are awesome. I just don't go along with the silly notions that very midcard-ability guys like Cesaro should be main-eventing WrestleMania, or that I have to hate all WWE's choices for top guys. I used to buy into all that stuff from like 2002 until about 2006/2007. I'm sure some fans hate whoever the WWE choose to be at the top. I believe that is a minority though. The vast majority (of those frustrated) in my opinion hate how WWE presents their top guys. It's horrible. It's all just winning handicap matches, beating Kane, "overcoming the odds", and getting Cole (the least likable guy they could possibly find as the voice of the company) to yell manufactured bullcrap at us about how great they are. It's like a massive neon sign saying YOU LIKE THIS GUY NOW and it feels forced. What's more frustrating is that they ignore or tamper with guys who organically build a following in favor of the WWE's trite formulas.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2014 17:46:18 GMT -5
And who is exactly are the "Most Fans"? You mean the "Most Fans" on the WFigs fourm? Roman reigns worked just as hard as dean and seth with a little more time he could be something great and the crowd loves him and hes completely over.If people can believe Seth Rollins would be a top main eventer than why can't roman reigns? He's Not THAT BAD of a wrestler. Myself and a lot of others don't think Roman Reigns can't be a main eventer. A lot of us are saying that he needs more time. You're right, he's worked hard. You're a bit off on him being completely over since he couldn't even get a good pop at Battleground against three guys that don't always get positive pops and at SummerSlam when Orton was more popular. He can be a main event player and I'm okay with him being a big player. I don't think he has the tools to be THE NUMBER ONE guy, but he can develop them with more time. He has to be forced into the spotlight way before he's ready and it will lead to backlash. He hasn't learned how to work a really solid, long singles match and was far behind his Shield teammates even if he's NOT THAT BAD. You're right he does need more time.I'm not saying he should be the number 1 guy but at least in the top 6 or something. And to be fair Seth and Dean had Way more time to train and work matches and promos before being in the WWE.Roman Reigns is pretty much (like Cena and Orton) a Full WWE Wrestler they trained from top to bottom so of course hes just gonna learn the WWE Style and not the same styles Seth and Dean were taught. But when it comes down to the big matches roman is in from The Royal Rumble match to the Epic wyatt and evolution matches hes able to hang in there with the pros he CAN work a match he may not have the best Move set or be the better wrestler but he could work a good match.He's a pretty good looking guy(No Homo) that has marketable look to sell to the audience and its clearly working for them.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Dec 21, 2014 17:53:38 GMT -5
Myself and a lot of others don't think Roman Reigns can't be a main eventer. A lot of us are saying that he needs more time. You're right, he's worked hard. You're a bit off on him being completely over since he couldn't even get a good pop at Battleground against three guys that don't always get positive pops and at SummerSlam when Orton was more popular. He can be a main event player and I'm okay with him being a big player. I don't think he has the tools to be THE NUMBER ONE guy, but he can develop them with more time. He has to be forced into the spotlight way before he's ready and it will lead to backlash. He hasn't learned how to work a really solid, long singles match and was far behind his Shield teammates even if he's NOT THAT BAD. You're right he does need more time.I'm not saying he should be the number 1 guy but at least in the top 6 or something. And to be fair Seth and Dean had Way more time to train and work matches and promos before being in the WWE.Roman Reigns is pretty much (like Cena and Orton) a Full WWE Wrestler they trained from top to bottom so of course hes just gonna learn the WWE Style and not the same styles Seth and Dean were taught. But when it comes down to the big matches roman is in from The Royal Rumble match to the Epic wyatt and evolution matches hes able to hang in there with the pros he CAN work a match he may not have the best Move set or be the better wrestler but he could work a good match.He's a pretty good looking guy(No Homo) that has marketable look to sell to the audience and its clearly working for them. I mean, I wouldn't use the Rumble or Six Man tags as examples. The whole deal with Roman is that he hasn't learned how to work a singles match yet. He was very sheltered by Dean and Seth. I do agree that Dean and Seth had more time in the business, which is why they're far ahead of him. He can be a top guy for sure though, he just needs more work.
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Dec 21, 2014 17:56:26 GMT -5
It's like a massive neon sign saying YOU LIKE THIS GUY NOW and it feels forced. It feels forced if the viewer has an anti-WWE chip on their shoulder. Your signature has boyhood dream era Shawn Michaels, who got the classic WWF forcefeed main event push. Take a look at any shows from 1996, the amount they talk about Shawn's resilience and being the hardest-working champion and the most charismatic superstar ever is clearly forced to try and convince people he's on Hogan's level -- and hell, I bought into all of it at the time when I was twelve. HBK's still one of my favourites ever. It's the way wrestling has almost always worked.
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Post by GreyHaze:Big Bad Booty Daddy on Dec 21, 2014 18:04:29 GMT -5
I actually like Roman and I do agree that I can't bare to watch his matches and his promos without easily getting bored.I do feel that out of the whole roster, he seems to have the most badass look. If he could improve his promos and in ring work then I'wouldn't mind him beating Lesnar. I also like Ambrose, but they keep making him lose constantly which to me takes away from his credability. Rollins is entertaining then again they make him look like chicken crap by running away all the time and hiding behind security. I think what they need to do is make Reigns look like someone who's fallen but then picks himself up and starts going through his obstacles. Everything at the moment is sounding too PREDICTABLE we want to get behind Reigns not have him get booed because he got shoved down our throats.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2014 18:09:24 GMT -5
Nobody knows how long Cena's got left full-time... And they run two tours most of the time, so they need as good a headliner as possible on the other roster. The more Cena level guys they have, the less they need to rely on Cena. One Cena was fine when the network wasn't anal-bleeding money, but they can't rely on "Cena and a bunch of other guys" as much as they could before they started throwing millions into the new bottomless pit. They're not really worried about making everybody happy -- they know that there are certain fans who are always going to complain about any top babyface who isn't in the darling club. And those fans being anti-Cena hasn't stopped him being a huge moneymaker. They'd happily take Reigns drawing big and being hated by people online who have been against him since the start because he has the "WWE look" and didn't work the indies and is a Vince creation. Whether he does draw or not is a gamble, but at least they're trying. Reigns' wrestling is at least as good now as Cena's was in 2004, but they've still got three or four months to have him working with veterans every night on the road. It's like you get off on saying "indy darling" and terms like that. You deserve a hug.
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Post by Infinite on Dec 21, 2014 18:12:38 GMT -5
It's like a massive neon sign saying YOU LIKE THIS GUY NOW and it feels forced. It feels forced if the viewer has an anti-WWE chip on their shoulder. Your signature has boyhood dream era Shawn Michaels, who got the classic WWF forcefeed main event push. Take a look at any shows from 1996, the amount they talk about Shawn's resilience and being the hardest-working champion and the most charismatic superstar ever is clearly forced to try and convince people he's on Hogan's level -- and hell, I bought into all of it at the time when I was twelve. HBK's still one of my favourites ever. It's the way wrestling has almost always worked. I know it's been done forever, hence why I called it "trite". Why does 'it's the way it's always been' excuse anything? I'm not surprised by it but I'm damn sure not impressed. At a certain point you have to ask why people have this anti-WWE chip on their shoulder. I started watching after boyhood dream era HBK. Watching past footage from that time there are a number of things I dislike; the Chippendale dancing, the tantrums, and yes, the classic WWE shove down the throat push. To me this is all excused by a) his exceptional ability (Reigns simply can't get away with the stuff Shawn did in this respect) and b) the fact that I was already a fan of Michaels from his work in 2002.
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Post by Planktung on Dec 21, 2014 18:14:50 GMT -5
Do some of you have a crystal ball? Or are you simply predicting what YOU THINK? I understand the viewpoint of "You don't know if that's actual plan," but really, you don't have to even be a "smart" fan to know that Roman's about to get a Superman push into WrestleMania. It is so ing obvious.
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Post by marino13 on Dec 21, 2014 18:21:42 GMT -5
Um, guys excuse me but I have a couple questions.... 1) Why does this pic come up when you click on "anal-bleeding"? 2) Why exactly did I click on an anal-bleeding link? What did I expect to find? What was I looking for?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2014 18:50:58 GMT -5
Do some of you have a crystal ball? Or are you simply predicting what YOU THINK? I understand the viewpoint of "You don't know if that's actual plan," but really, you don't have to even be a "smart" fan to know that Roman's about to get a Superman push into WrestleMania. It is so ing obvious. I was more directing that at the success/failure of his push.
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Post by Weemanv1 on Dec 21, 2014 19:20:03 GMT -5
Nobody knows how long Cena's got left full-time... And they run two tours most of the time, so they need as good a headliner as possible on the other roster. The more Cena level guys they have, the less they need to rely on Cena. One Cena was fine when the network wasn't anal-bleeding money, but they can't rely on "Cena and a bunch of other guys" as much as they could before they started throwing millions into the new bottomless pit. They're not really worried about making everybody happy -- they know that there are certain fans who are always going to complain about any top babyface who isn't in the darling club. And those fans being anti-Cena hasn't stopped him being a huge moneymaker. They'd happily take Reigns drawing big and being hated by people online who have been against him since the start because he has the "WWE look" and didn't work the indies and is a Vince creation. Whether he does draw or not is a gamble, but at least they're trying. Reigns' wrestling is at least as good now as Cena's was in 2004, but they've still got three or four months to have him working with veterans every night on the road. It's like you get off on saying "indy darling" and terms like that. Some people cry for attention through complaining. Even more cry for it through trolling those people.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2014 19:23:27 GMT -5
It's like you get off on saying "indy darling" and terms like that. I never use the term "indy darling" -- for starters, it's "indie" and not all the darlings come from the indies. 90% do, but occasionally someone else sneaks into darling territory purely within the WWE system. Usually from being "buried" though. I just do not get you.
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Post by k5 on Dec 21, 2014 20:09:50 GMT -5
Shawn Michaels and Bret Hart werent WWE's "type" either. Then again, that was the lowest point financially/rating wise in WWE history. and they also were largely selected because of their 'clean' appearances during a post steroid scandal wrestling world.
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Post by Dan on Dec 22, 2014 14:10:54 GMT -5
My big worry is that Roman Reigns will end up getting the Batista treatment from fans from last year, which is actually understandable the way it is going. Reigns is not ready, but it's plain and simple that despite what the fans want, they have already made their minds up a long time ago that this is the guy that they want. Realistically, he's done nothing to warrant that spot whatsoever. He had one feud with Randy Orton then went away injured. He's still incredibly green and worked hardly any lengthy Singles Matches, yet they have decided he is getting this spot to beat Brock Lesnar and win the World Championship at Wrestlemania. Sure, he has a great look, a great background, and a good babyface rub from the Shield splitting, but he needs time, and build, so the audience can naturally get behind him. As of now he is a plastic put there by the Machine.
You have to look at other options though. Daniel Bryan is nowhere near healthy. Dean Ambrose has worked hard and has a lot of support, but still needs building and repackaging slightly. Seth Rollins is Heel, although he has a lot more credibility to take the Belt than Reigns does right now. In my personal opinion, they would be better off buying themselves some time and just having Brock Lesnar vs The Rock for the Title (for example, with Lesnar retaining), then having Reigns or Bryan win the Belt at Summerslam.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2014 16:50:33 GMT -5
Um, guys excuse me but I have a couple questions.... 1) Why does this pic come up when you click on "anal-bleeding"? 2) Why exactly did I click on an anal-bleeding link? What did I expect to find? What was I looking for? I'm tempted to search for "anal-bleeding"... but I know I won't be able to un-see the results. So, I'll just take your word for it.
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Post by marino13 on Dec 22, 2014 17:49:45 GMT -5
Um, guys excuse me but I have a couple questions.... 1) Why does this pic come up when you click on "anal-bleeding"? 2) Why exactly did I click on an anal-bleeding link? What did I expect to find? What was I looking for? I'm tempted to search for "anal-bleeding"... but I know I won't be able to un-see the results. So, I'll just take your word for it. It was in Next Man's Sweaterrrrr's post... forum.wrestlingfigs.com/post/6715430/thread
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Dec 22, 2014 18:35:52 GMT -5
Um, guys excuse me but I have a couple questions.... 1) Why does this pic come up when you click on "anal-bleeding"? 2) Why exactly did I click on an anal-bleeding link? What did I expect to find? What was I looking for? I'm tempted to search for "anal-bleeding"... but I know I won't be able to un-see the results. So, I'll just take your word for it. Include WWE in the search too, otherwise the results will probably be horrific.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2014 18:37:31 GMT -5
I'm tempted to search for "anal-bleeding"... but I know I won't be able to un-see the results. So, I'll just take your word for it. Include WWE in the search too, otherwise the results will probably be horrific. Lmao. Thank you for the laughs right before I clock in to work.
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Post by Word™ on Dec 22, 2014 18:39:27 GMT -5
I'd be OK with Seth Rollins going over Brock at this point.
The WWE is putting more time into Dean and Seth because Dean and Seth are gonna be the 2 that make Roman look good for the next few years until Roman can look good without them.. "Who's carrying this match" will not need be asked when Roman is in a match with either of them.
It's funny actually.. WWE has invested more building and effort into their future #2 and #3 guys, then their future #1 guy.
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